Priced out a 2020 Carrera S and yowwwwwie
12-22-2018, 10:51 AM
#63
Among the various Porsches I had, the 991.2 CS took me the longest to sell as it seems that where I'm from, people who can afford relatively new Porsches tend to go for a "top of the food chain" variant like a Turbo S or GT3.
12-22-2018, 11:26 AM
#64
I said at the beginning of this thread that I didn't think the price difference was that great when all is factored in. Nothing has changed.
Much of this thread just sounds like old men complaining about the price of bread. If you think the price is too high buy a different car or find a used older model. It's not a big deal.
Much of this thread just sounds like old men complaining about the price of bread. If you think the price is too high buy a different car or find a used older model. It's not a big deal.
I will say that even though I have the means, I still feel the Carrera prices are getting to be a bit outrageous. You can get an almost new GT3 for the MSRP of a new Carrera that is decently optioned... That’s crazy to me but I’m also clearly not the target market for this particular model so I digress.
12-22-2018, 11:35 AM
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It all depends on what someone wants. I could have bought a new Turbo S or GT3 but I had to have a stick and the ability to open or drop the top so the Targa GTS was, and is, the only car I would buy, which I did.
12-22-2018, 12:08 PM
#67
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Here's the thing.... we agonize over options on here. Lay people can't even tell the difference between an air-cooled and a modern Porsche. A base, no option car gets you to 97% of the 911 experience. Options get you another 1.5% and a GT3 gets that additional 1.5%. People talk about PDCC. SPASM, PASM, SC, PDK, PCCB and other things as if they are professional drivers looking to shave seconds off their lap times. In reality an SUV will get to the mall just as quickly
12-22-2018, 12:15 PM
#68
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As crazy as it sounds, you do have a fairly tight budget for one of these cars if it has to be brand new.
Personally, I would not buy a new car if this was the budget I had to work with. I would wait 12-18 months and grab a CPO car for a good discount off sticker. You will likely get far more options than you could have afforded new and at a decent discount off MSRP. If you don't have a 911 in the garage right now, I would pick up a CPO 991 and trade it in next year when you buy your 992. You will lose far less on a CPO 991 over the next 12-18 months than you will lose on a brand new 992.
Paying MSRP for a Carrera seems crazy to me. I have yet to order a car from Porsche directly. My 991 Carrera S was CPO (88k w/ orig MSRP of 138k) and my 991 GT3 was CPO (135k w/ orig MSRP of 174k). And I could have afforded MSRP on both of those cars. But part of the ownership experience for myself is feeling like I got a good deal. However, the GT3 is probably the first car I actually wouldn't mind over paying for so I will most likely pay MSRP + ADM for my next GT3...
But if a big part of the ownership experience for you is to go through the ordering process, the waiting process, the delivery process and the break-in process, then by all means go for it. There are many who enjoy this process and it's a big part of the experience for them.
Personally, I would not buy a new car if this was the budget I had to work with. I would wait 12-18 months and grab a CPO car for a good discount off sticker. You will likely get far more options than you could have afforded new and at a decent discount off MSRP. If you don't have a 911 in the garage right now, I would pick up a CPO 991 and trade it in next year when you buy your 992. You will lose far less on a CPO 991 over the next 12-18 months than you will lose on a brand new 992.
Paying MSRP for a Carrera seems crazy to me. I have yet to order a car from Porsche directly. My 991 Carrera S was CPO (88k w/ orig MSRP of 138k) and my 991 GT3 was CPO (135k w/ orig MSRP of 174k). And I could have afforded MSRP on both of those cars. But part of the ownership experience for myself is feeling like I got a good deal. However, the GT3 is probably the first car I actually wouldn't mind over paying for so I will most likely pay MSRP + ADM for my next GT3...
But if a big part of the ownership experience for you is to go through the ordering process, the waiting process, the delivery process and the break-in process, then by all means go for it. There are many who enjoy this process and it's a big part of the experience for them.
12-22-2018, 12:31 PM
#69
I agree on this too, the 911 range is pretty broad and there’s a little something for everyone. I could pick up a 991 GT3 probably cheaper than an optioned 992S Brand new. GT3 won’t suit my needs, so the C2S is my sweet spot...I have not ridden in or driven in a GTS car yet to see what the comfort level is compared with a C2S. I used my 991 for long loaded road trips, sometimes in cold or snow, I enjoyed some of the creature comforts and slightly softer suspension for that reason, as well as noise insulation when I needed it for road trips. It could also do track duty when needed. I am planning to test drive a 991GTS soon to see how it compares, but yeah different strokes !
12-22-2018, 02:04 PM
#70
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This is an age old question and it transcends boats, cars, houses, etc. At the end of the day there are new car people and used car people and I’m a new car guy. I hate the depreciation hit, but I enjoy the process. I want the best deal possible, but I also want to feel good about the experience.
12-22-2018, 05:35 PM
#71
Porsches are Porsches. They're not Ferraris/McLarens or BMWs/Benzes. It's a well built car with amazing performance that you can drive to work, use to pick up the groceries, take on long drives, carve up the twisties with and have fun at the track with. If you don't want to drive a car that looks like 90% of the other cars on the road but not have to worry about where you park it, then it's the car for you. The bad news is a nicely optioned 911 will cost way more than an M4. The good news is it'll cost way less than a 488. At $150,000 it simply hits a sweet spot in the market.
12-31-2018, 10:48 PM
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12-31-2018, 11:08 PM
#74
Some paint, PASM,RAS and SC...way less than $15 K and a great car. I don't like heavy 18 way seats, ACC, LKA and a host of other options. Last car I bought I passed on climate control, heated seats...if it didn't help performance, I didn't care. If I had my choice I would get rid of the multifunction steering wheel. I am, however, a sucker for leather interior and deviated stitching. Nonetheless, one could easily build a nice car for under 15k in options. It may not be the car YOU want but it would still be a nice car.
01-01-2019, 03:17 AM
#75
I’d be 98% happy with the following build which is just under 15K in options:
http://www.porsche-code.com/PLM5KVZ1
But I’d definitely just be using it as a DD and no plans to track it which means I wouldn’t really benefit from most performance features which saves a ton of money.
http://www.porsche-code.com/PLM5KVZ1
But I’d definitely just be using it as a DD and no plans to track it which means I wouldn’t really benefit from most performance features which saves a ton of money.