Hate the PORSCHE 992??!! OFFICIAL VENTING THREAD # Ultimate bashing allowed.
 

Lol. You really did it.

(I don't belong here - just stopping by.)

Yes! (caveat: i'm almost definitely a future 992 buyer)

I F*%C#%NG DESPISE BLACK PLASTIC TOUCH SENSITIVE BUTTONS THAT GET FINGERPRINTS ALL OVER THEM!!!!!!

Please just give me real buttons that I can feel for vs having to look down

The 992 center console is going to be a travesty. Cadillac tried to get away with this for nearly a decade with their goofy CUE system and everybody hated it there and will continue to hate it here.

Here is my current center console... see how easy all those buttons are to push? don't even have to look down to know what you are getting.

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(rant over)

If the nubbin is what many of us think it is and there will no longer be a gear shifter in the PDK car, the nubbin will go down as one of the worst modifications from one model generation to the next in the long history of the 911.

The smooth dashboard flow of the 991 will be replaced by an angular abomination... Nonono...

992 is the new 996.

Enter Archimedes.......lol.

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After a deep look at this photo, I see the following as key awful features....

• Nubbin
• Flat SUV looking dash section above the glove box.
• Whatever that part is that runs the whole length of the dash (metal bar?), just looks ugly. Hate to say it, the present pieces look much better.
• The metal middle switches looks like they were directly pulled from a Mustang, look out of place. Porsche, think up something original here please.
• It looks like the AC vents have really been downgraded in materials. 991's look relatively expensive, these look like Kia pieces.
• Center vents have ridiculous placement.
• What are the cut-out pieces right above he glove box? Another cup holder? Ditch that, or make it an option, let the passenger hold their own cup.
• The sharp/hard transition point on the top portion of the dash from the screen to the gauge area looks very poor/cheap. Over time, it has a good chance to pull, warp and disfigure.
• Nubbin (deserves to be mentioned twice)

If this is indeed the final looking dash, it looks like an exercise in cost cutting rather then an upscale improvement of the existing 991 dash.
Don't mind the digital gauges, but would like to see it being an option instead of the rule. They will look dated quickly.

IMO they should have just taken the 991 dash, and enlarged the screen area a bit (I don't need a TV looking thing in the car, but a little bigger would not hurt)
Take the existing cup holders out and place a single hidden one somewhere in the console. Turn the present "smoking" door/cubby into a hidden cup holder. Does not need to be large.
Get rid of all the blanks in the switch area,....try and reduce the buttons needed and then have a few separate face plates so nothing looks empty.
The rest was always perfectly fine with me, fairly functional and good looking. I like the new door handles,....but not much else.

Overall, it just looks like a downgrade rather than an upgrade in design, quality and materials,....and nothing like a lot of better looking dashes out there from other premier makers.

Let me help
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• Nubbin - we all know, it's a shaver.
• Flat SUV looking dash section above the glove box. - White Castle burgers have to sit somewhere
• What is that part that runs the whole length of the dash (metal bar?) - it's a big blade, if you prefer to shave with a single blade rather than the nubbin
• Center vents have ridiculous placement. - their primary function is to cool the nubbin, it can overheat easily
• What are the cut-out pieces right above he glove box? - storage for replacement nubbin heads

in all seriousness..
Yes it is the final design. Has been finalized for a few years. Suppliers' tooling is probably ready to rollout if it hasn't already.

The overall design is clearly inspired by the 993 (and late 964). The section profile is very similar, but is stretched vertically to accomodate all the amenities. The deviating color "blade" increases the perceived vertical height of the dash. IMO, if the blade was removed along with any related profiling and the glovebox was a little smaller (but importantly breaks the existing continuous horizontal line), the dash wouldn't appear so large.

The location of the vents are too allow the sizable screen at that height. They probably can't go below the vents to either comply with upcoming legislation or avoid potential lawsuit over something like an "inconvenient height compared to windshield base" (doesn't address the necessary change in focal depth of the eye, but people sue over anything).

They could mount the screen above the dash, but that would look silly. It is my understanding that screens must be (or in the very near future) permanently mounted to achieve a minimum time from engagement of reverse gear to display of rearview camera.

I bet no one ever thought they would ever have more TVs than a fully-optioned Avalanche

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All that said, I am actually not displeased with the design of the 992. I do reserve full judgment until seeing it in person however.

Has anyone else noticed that the glove box door is the entire underside of the passenger dashboard?
Perhaps that's where they keep the 5 gallons of window cleaner and 10 bags of microfiber towels that will be needed to constantly clean the finger grease off that stupid haptic touch screen center console.

You could practically fit a 997 in that cup holder. I agree that the current cup holders are far from perfect (the one for the driver's side is poorly placed inasmuch as if you go over a bump, the drink can spill onto the buttons and make them sticky - ask me how I know...) But the new cup holder looks out of place to me. No, won't affect the car's sure to be amazing acceleration and driving dynamics, but it just doesn't look the part of a 911 to me, anyway. But I'll take 500 black hole cup holders over the nubbin.

The center console of a 911 used to be exclusively dedicated to shifting the car and later added buttons to make it more aggressive and louder.

Now it's most prominent feature is dedicated to holding a freakin big gulp. Who cares about cup holders in a sports car? Better yet, how many people actually allow beverages in their 911 at all?

I'd like to meet the people who actually asked for this cup holder and individually punch them in the face.

Speaking of hate......The dashboard transition from the instrument cluster to the nav screen is so bad that it was likely started as a joke in the design department that accidentally went too far.

I really think the designers were given some instructions to bring back some classic design cues from older models. Given that, give it a coherent look to the rest of the model line, make a one size fit all cost savings body, make sure it can be a hybrid, find some designers willing to to part-time off Craigslist, all the while cut costs while increasing MSRP. You get ....

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You know they're reading these posts. Sorry guys, but we don't sugar coat it here.

I'm feeling very fortunate that my December build GT3T will have the "old" and "outdated" 991.2 interior and exterior. And as we all know, the Touring comes with a stick only, so no nubbin for me! Is AP really going to allow his 992 GT3 PDK to have a nubbin in it?!

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911 cupholder, although inconvenient, was a really cool element of driving a sportscar.

992 cupholder... looks like its straight from Toyota.

I will say, and has been mentioned, even on RL there was a lot of whining about the old cup holder. I thought it was fine. It's supposed to be sports car, not a mini van. What next, a small fridge under the dash?

They must have had soccer mom consumer focus groups that didn't understand the current cup holder.

Be careful what you joke about because once the Taycan goes on sale Porsche will officially be in the appliance business.

Why do we need one thread to bash the 992 and another to praise it?

This all seems very political.

There are things I like and things I don’t.

I like the exhaust manifolds. I dislike the rear stop light.

See. Easy.

All the complaints were getting in the way of the intention of the other thread. Maybe this one will be more popular ?? :roflmao:

Why dilute the other thread with all the wisdom here??

Lol. That one got me to laugh :D

Everyone always initially hates the new 911 variant, drives one, and then is like "WOW, great car". The same story will happen for all future variants.

What a nice story.........It's too bad that the next variant will likely just be a set of stylish virtual reality glasses you will wear to pretend your driving fast down a winding country road..... Then we can say " WOW great program"

The cupholders, and the possibiity to completely hide them out of sight, was my wife's favorite USP (UBP?) with first our 997, then the CGTS, then the GT3.

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New is always better in mechanical engineering (and girls).

Don't obsess with old cars, please.

It's not so bad - I'm pretty sure it'll grow on me... someday I'll say:
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992-RV Edition
*The silver strip on dash can be pulled out to use as a lunch table or laptop desk while you watch a show on that huge 11" screen. We also have a huge cup holder to manage your 1 liter drinks. Bigger is better.

Yes :-) Active Lane Assist & InnoDrive confirmed in order to keep you in the lane even on twisting roads. Now you can finally read a book while driving that boring mountain pass road! The future looks bright!

Can I propose Carreramera?

I think I've seen enough of it in general to not put it on my immediate list for future purchase. I'm sure it will drive extremely well,....and yes I want to see it,.....but for now it equates to dating a homely chick (especially the interior) that's great in bed, but you just can't get past the looks.

Optimism is such a nice quality to have among those who can't see the forrest for the trees.


If you need help with that , please allow me : The car industry is in a complete free fall but while it's going down everyone is distracted by all the face value glitter.

This is the fault of the government regulations that unfortunately we control with our tolerance and votes and it's also the fault of these manufactures that , guess what , we also control with our tolerance and votes (voting with our dollars as STG has said).

So basically the reason the industry is in free fall is because the general masses accept the garbage being shoveled at them with open arms and optimism that it's all for the best.

Face value products produced for a face value society.
Do you see the trees yet?

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Haha, I'd say that I'm actually somewhere between 3 and 4 right now....

and the 996 way outsold the 993 too.

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Glorious days of German Engineering

Man, the current cupholder is pretty useless. I'm not looking for a super big gulp, just an ordinary insulated coffee mug. 'Cause I'm cheap and BYO to Cars and Coffee, LOL. But it only works on the thinnest ones of those and then those tend to be too tall and then they tip over. It's really good at holding plastic disposable water bottles.....that drip condensation all over the PCM.

Said everyone on every car forum ever. I actually just read the same quote, more than once, in the BMW forums for the new 3 series and the X5.

But sadly, it doesn't always go that way. I never warmed to the current 3 series except in M3 form. I think it looks very plain and cheap. Sometimes it's not all just internet drivel.

Exactly! We are holding onto our E90 until something better comes along. I can't stand the outgoing 3 series. Always has looked, felt, and driven terrible.

Same goes for the last X3. I love my M40i but would not touch the outgoing truck with a 10 foot pole.

this thread tho... 10/10

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I'm new to the word "nubbin" and want to make sure I use it correctly in a sentence.

Would it be correct to state: "The lovely lady in the picture has no nubbin".

George, youre kicking my ass with these UFC babes. :corn:
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and designers...

YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS. I love it so much that I am buying Cadillac instead of 992GT3
nubbin, when my dk shrink to that size. pls just kill me.
the thought of nubbin...is just yeewww..


those boobs are fake.

Amazing how often this happens on every new 911 launch.
This is rubbish, that's rubbish, they should have done this or that. Don't like this curve, or that. Don't like turbo's etc etc.
And then many of us are first to jump onto their order book. Including me by the way :)

Digital gauges suck.

Fake exhaust tips are weak.

Fake ignition key thing where you're not actually turning the engine over yourself is bad.

Fake engine noise pumped through the stereo is shameful and has Ferry and Dr Ferdinand and every Porsche boy that was ever born a free man roll in his grave.

One inch longer sucks.

21" wheels are too big and look silly.

You need big gulp cupholders in a 911 as much as you need an accordion to go deer hunting.

The tiny little shifter looks cool on a cruiser like Panny or RS7 or M6, but it's a pain to watch on a 911.

Hybrid and electric is the absolute puke and the final ultimate demise of the 911 ethos.

No model will take the place of the original 996 being the low water mark of the 911. The 964 is 2nd place imo and the 992 the 3rd. I just visited to se what round 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 etc look like.

"Time is a Porsches Best Friend"

long hoods were forward dated to bumper cars - now everyone wants stock
Bumper cars were "just old cars" their prices shot up
964. UGLY BUMPERS. Now it's "the thing" in the non-long hood porsches
993. ugly lights, smashed nose. heavy and fat. continue to be strong
996. well everyone hates those. except the GT3 and GT2, and look at the prices on those now, you could pickup a 996gt3 at 50k a few years ago, gt2 have nearly doubled
997. old crap. shot up, still strong
and it's happening now with the 991

Here's a secret to those who don't need the latest fashion:
Buy on the dip and enjoy
Except the M96 996 cars. don't buy those.

The new X3 is REALLY nice. I had a go in an M40i. It's WAY better than a Macan GTS. Quick and also handles really well.

I can't tell if these comments are snarky or not. :( Nothing Porsche does to the 911 in the future is ever going to make people look back and think, "Man, those 996/997 headlights sure looked good."

We got much bigger problems than headlights. People will go back and think "ah, how I long for those days when headlights were the problem".

The sad thing is that the 911 will not be getting better: its all downhill from here.
Electrification will be the end of automobiles as we have come to enjoy them. Forget performance figures. The sound and feel of an engine, vital to the sensory pleasure of driving a sports car, will be gone. The car is becoming just another appliance.

Future generations of people won't know what they are missing and will not see anything wrong with cars. But the coming years are going to be a long period of sadness, frustration, and anger for the enthusiast. We are right in the middle of what is a historically significant period: the end of an era. I find myself increasingly apathetic to the automotive industry and cars in general, perhaps as a way of coping.

Nubbin=circumcision gone wrong. A metaphorical neutering of our connection with a sports car. Definitely in Stage 2 of Kübler-Ross's SCL grief paradigm (Sports Car Loss).

--- Sufferer of GSSA (Gear Shift Separation Anxiety)

I don't hate. But I am VERY discouraged by Porsche's constant need to make the 911 bigger, longer and wider. I gave up hope long ago of the "next gen" being a bit smaller "dimensionally" but sort of held out hope that at some point it might stay the same size with cosmetic and mechanical upgrades. I now have no hope of that ever happening.

This. To me the 992 is no longer unique. I guess the 991 was the last gen to hang onto the analog approach which I really like.

Every car has what the 992 has. Screens and tech everywhere. Sure it's going to be better in pretty much every measurable category, but it's not going to be any "cooler" IMO.

What's going to separate the 992 vs something like an M6? Better handling and that's about it.

Then again, time will tell and I'll probably swallow every word.

Miata Is Always The Answer :)

I just watched DeMuro's video on the ND Miata yesterday, which includes a minuscule bump in horsepower, no glove box, a duct-taped iPad, and a $7000 automatic targa roof. They, too, have lost the plot.

The most important ingredient in the 911 is what Porsche leaves out, namely about 400 pounds of excess weight that BMW and Mercedes and Jaguar and any number of other manufacturers love to include. As long as that's the case, there will always be a place for the 911.

The rest, from sheet metal to cupholders to gear selectors, is secondary IMO. That's how Porsche thinks of that sort of thing, when they think of it at all, and we have no choice but to do the same. It's no surprise that Porsche puts their best product designers on their mass-market vehicles that outsell the 911 by an order of magnitude, leaving the second-stringers to work on the sports cars. Sad, but no surprise.

I daily drive the Fiat 124 Abarth and I disagree. Thee cars have an immense amount of driver engagement and you can have fun in every corner. But don't just take it from me - watch this very excellent video (Savage Geese with Straight Pipes) and see if that provides a different point of view for you:

Long live the E90. It's successor feels like a driving video game.


You can still find low mileage E90s. Now is the time to pick one up.

I've seen manual coupes with ~30k on the clock.

Trying to help the marketing team by consolidating all the negatives so they can craft cleaver ads and videos to counteract them.

Some sensitive future 992 owners are easily offended unfortunately.

Shaving... reinvented.
Beverages... transported.
Atmosphere... compressed.
Frunk lids... realigned.
Fingerprints... preserved.

:jumper:

This is a worrying development

R_Rated was before his time :roflmao:

https://www.motor1.com/news/273209/d...car-singapore/

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Here are a few examples of current marketing tag lines. What will 992 be??

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It's because they know the car is s#it and no where near as good as the 991 but because their lease is ending soon they need to like this car.

The 992 is the laziest model redesign in 911 history and I can't think of a single aspect of the redesign that brings ANY real improvement to the outgoing model.

As far as Miata, could not agree more. Had one last year, sold it and mow looking to get another one. So pure....

Any car from Dyson is going to suck.

This thread just keeps getting better - but I never expected we'd find a way to bring the NA vs. FI into it.

Well done.

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au naturale

He was an under-appreciated genius.

I kinda like it. Truly a head turner and an exotic look. More so than the 911.

MSRP's for 992 looking to be over +10% increase.

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This is the everything thread. As long as it's interesting, let's have fun.

Got it! Thanks. Nice.

The Porsche advertising slogans seen in the above ads are about as dull and lame as the Norelco nubbin that has been spied in the 992 test mules. Some have said that the newest model will be better because it always is. I just don't buy that. I don't doubt it will be across the board faster and have other "upgrades" (some will consider them downgrades) compared to the outgoing 991. But I have not imbibed so much Porsche Kool-aid that I believe everything they touch turns to gold. Look at another pillar of technology - Apple - as another example of a very successful company that has its missteps. Nowadays, you need adapters to plug your earphones into the phone, adapters to plug USB cables into the new laptops. So much for simplicity and elegance. Steve Jobs would probably roll in his grave. I know this is not an Apple forum but the point being that the latest is not always a positive technological step forward and/or an improvement on the outgoing model. I will reserve final judgement until I see and drive the 992 but so far, from an interior and exterior design standpoint, I am disappointed with what I have seen in the 992. #nubbin

The easy solution to the nubbin is to get a manual. Drive off into the sunset in a haze of anachronistic glory.

Perhaps the nubbin is a glorious conspiracy to push buyers in the direction of a manual.

Argon - Done and done. I think I have the best of both worlds. An "out of date" 991.2 GT3T being built in late December. Couldn't be happier having the outgoing model. I agree with you - perhaps the nubbin will have the unintended and unexpected effect of pushing would-be PDK customers into the manual.

I'm getting the sense that the nubbin is real. I can't have a manual as a daily driver (knees can't take it) so I'm PDK for my DD. Maybe I could kick another car out of the garage if I want a second 911 and then I suppose I could get a 992 with a manual for just for weekends - but that's pretty darned unlikely unless there is a 992 GT3 touring edition or 992 911 T or a 992 all-electric 911 that doesn't have gears at all. I actually like most of what I see in the 992, even the big gulp holder. I'm hoping that the overly bulbous tail end might turn out to be okay when we really get to see the whole picture - my 991 doesn't always look so hot either depending on the angle - 911's do have a bit of a weird shape. Anyway, we'll all find out soon enough.

If the nubbin was a deliberate trick to keep the 991.2 sales numbers steady right up until the 992 cutover, then it worked - my order is in for a last-run 991.2 w/PDK.

Oh, and #nubbin - is that a thing I should do now?

Any bump in manual sales will help to keep them around longer. I'm all for it.

As for outdated, I drove a 69T this past weekend. You feel and respond, instead of just controlling. Those cars are the most fun you'll ever have with 130 horsepower, in addition to sounding like sex.

Keep that GT3T around. Maybe in fifty years there will be a young man waxing poetically about it, in the same way as I.

Argon - That is the plan. I was able to secure the CA special edition (black and yellow) license plates with "2019 GT3." A tag which will have a lot more meaning and pack more of a punch 20 or 30 years from now when I am taking her out for a Sunday spin. Those in the Porsche know will probably be like, wow, look how classic that looks and that sound, holy smokes!

Wonder if there will be any gasoline by then?

I love Porsche marketing - it is the epitome of bull**** bingo and the recasting of history.

Macan life intensified? How? The sport edition - really?

Porsche E Performance isn't that a non sequitur

718GTS Insatiable - :) . does it go around rooting other cars :) is it a #metoo risk?

Panamera - Courage changes everything - does that mean you have to brave to be seen in one or brave to buy one or simply randomly brave :)

From my GTS booklet "driven for more" ..........I don't even know what that means.

How about this one from my S booklet .................."We like to start from the front. In the lead. " ermmm yep, if you're at the front you're in the lead :) or the enigmatic "even philosophical questions can be answered with outstanding performance" . :) :)

This may be a cool car. But I think they should just stop calling them 911s. They have moved too far away from what a 911 was. It kind of hurts me to say this because I've been a Porsche fanatic my whole life but they don't do much that interests me anymore. The older cars I loved are getting REALLY old now and the only new things I like are the GT cars.

I don't know much about the upcoming 911, but can someone tell me why there's no shifter in the images posted? Is there no manual transmission available?

And worse yet, why has no one in this thread said anything about it?

Do potential 911 buyers in 2018 not want a manual transmission?

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WHEW!!!

I'm not even sure if the nubbin is the worst part of that ghastly center console. That floating center section ( with the P and M buttons) is surrounded by a dust , gum wrapper , crumb collecting trough flanked by two greasy slabs of black plastic is far more offensive to me.

The manual shifter is so poorly integrated in that console design that it might as well have "F*ck you" stamped right behind it.

An aftermarket for custom fitting nubbin mod devices will pop up for 992 buyers who require what they consider to be manly handgrips- like muscle car shifters or these days who knows possibly dildos.

Great job with the interior redesign Porsche. You took a perfectly functional center console and turned it into a disgusting i pad covered in finger grease and spilled liquids.... This should be called the : 6 year old kids i pad option.

That's some forward thinking Porsche, great job getting ready for the next generation of buyers who grew up playing with disgusting smudged screens, they will feel right at home in the 992... Are you also planing to provide a roll of paper towels in that GIANT glove box to soak up the liquids that will spill into that trough?

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Anyone who is calling this a pinnacle of interior design, or, which is far worse, an example of luxury interior should go see a therapist.
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Why not go all-in and bring back this wonderful unit for a change? It's true classic and industrial design, rooting to the 'core' 911 vibe.
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Face it, everything has moved on already. It's 2019(20) Model, not 99'. You can install a vintage AM radio instead of PCM and use nubbin to play with it, if ya like.

As for the 'grease' and ipad surfaces. Are you still going around showing off with Vertu mobile phone or it is time to wash your hands more often?

There will be a lot of 992 users cleaning the screen and touch button more than driving the damn car.:D

Where to begin correcting your misguided mindset.....

1st picture shows a supremely functional design where all the buttons are constantly visible , can be activated without looking for them or diverting eyes off the road by utilizing something called feel... There is absolutely NO gain by going to haptic touch screens for stationary buttons for basic vehicle setting controls... Well other than to wow people who think that technology must be applied in every situation because if it's new it must be better right?

2nd picture is so irrelevant there is almost no point in rebutting it , might as well have shown the heater levers in between the seats. Which by the way, could also be adjusted without looking....

3rd if you have some type of arrangement where your constantly surrounded by a running water sink or in a situation where your hands never sweat than I would suggest both a therapist for OCD and a doctor who specializes in hypohidrosis.

People will be driving gasser sh1tboxes for many years to come because they can afford nothing better; batteries fatigue at a ridiculous rate, and will make old electric cars useless.

After that, you'll be calling up a race gas company to order a few drums of 95 octane.

Anyone notice how similar the interior of the new Mazda 6 is to the 992 interior?

You could always buy a dual clutch R8 and RJ it.

How could anyone make that mistake?

They did, but they called them the LP550-2 and LP560-2...only ~43 people in the US bought them, but not from Audi dealers.

Not really seeing it....

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That's because you might have to actually see the true 992 interior before you do...actually see it... As opposed to all the hype! ;)

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Look at it in all black from the passenger seat angle. Not saying Porsche copied Mazda, seems a bit the opposite, particularly the steering wheel. But the Porsche interior in those mule shots doesn't have much to distinguish it as a Porsche. Mazda, Lexus, BMW, looks like it could be from any mid/upper level sedan.

In Apple parlance, that means they removed the headphone jack from the radio.

Looking at that picture made me think of its simple elegance. Yeah, I know, not everyone feels that way, but the response that it is easy, does not require you to look makes it so IMO.

It's like the QWERTY keyboard. Been around for 100 years. People want to change it and improve it, but again 'simple and functional'. Wasn't that what Porsche 'was' about?

The 996 was the last real water pumping 911.

Yes - that style are design philosophy is becoming ubiquitous - I know time moves but its not a style/philosophy that resonates with me (at least a this point in time).

That's it. They are SUVing the 911.

992 Rear Tailights Equals....

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The marketing message here is somewhat odd and confusing to me ..

Seeing an SUV called a sports car makes me nauseous.

STG,
I'd laugh that off as wishful marketing if I hadn't flogged a 2018 Cayenne Turbo at a Porsche track event this summer at a track on which I have DE'd and raced extensively. I followed a Porsche professional instructor who was less familiar with the track than me and was sure he was trying to kill us. The porky SUV is no Porsche sports car when it comes to braking, but the acceleration and cornering performance bits are well justified marketing hype.
If you haven't done it you have no way of knowing how capable the porker is.

Yeah, it's a Turbo and VERY fast ... also handling VERY good for an SUV no doubt. Don't think there may be a better performance SUV. I'll give them that.

It's just using the sports car lingo for very model to sell anything is what is kinda laughable.

:) OK got it - looks like another harakiri session :) just with blunt instruments :)

There are a lot of Cayenne/Macan owners that buy this stuff and buy the marketing - a lot of them really want the badge. Big time :cheers:

Porsche are right on the edge of doing what BMW did, in effect put the M badge on every variant possible.

Very slippery slope for Porsche - and its a one way trip.

Ohh now I get it. Arguing with marketing slogans is a credential for "sports car purity" .

Now this is funny ... email from Suncoast.

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https://www.suncoastparts.com/mm5/me...e%20a%20Beetle.......

Seat heaters and seat coolers:
Only seat heaters - from interior spy shots thread post #76:
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Some of the interior shots have both seat heating and seat cooling - others have just seat heating. In the second case, the console looks like it doesn't have the button cutouts when there is no seat cooling. Could this mean Porsche is no longer installing our beloved blank buttons???

Oh - but wait - now look at the one with the row of 5 buttons under the touch screen - two of them have diamond shapes!
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Could it be that "Diamonds are the new Blanks" ?

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No hate just disappointment
 

real dashboards
 

Face it, Porsche needs to get back to analog:


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The Fiata has a much better dash. For $25000.


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^ You've got to be kidding - Mazda's mis-matched center vents have to be one of the worst new car interior designs out there, not to mention the me-too fake iPad.

this is the first new insight i've seen in weeks of re-hashing the same things over and over... I think you are right about the lack of blanks. There are clearly functions that some of these cars don't have (like front axle lift) yet none of them have blanks (my single largest annoyance in 991 interior).

Two real gauges, a mechanical handbrake, and a center console that isn't encrusted in buttons or studded with Big Gulps. They've got the new Panamera beat, despite the inelegant vents.

The Ipad sucks, but so does any screen in a car. BMW Z4 wins that battle.

The best way to integrate as screen is to hide it.


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All you need is sticky backed velcro, and you can forget that screen even exists.

^ Above you raved about the dash...not the console, handbrake, or cup holders. You put a Miata or Spider interior...with features to match...into a $125-200k Porsche and not one person will buy it. Let's get real here.

Agreed completely. The flip up screen is about the only good thing there.

As for 100k cars, simplistic quality should rule Porsche interiors. The 996 was a break from that, though they eventually made a return to form.

What we want is not an exact replica of a Miata interior but rather the philosophy of the Miata interior.

Here's the interior of a 250k 488 GTB that has no problem selling incredibly well without gimmicky luxury car BS that Porsche loves sprinkling every car with now. Aside from the Italian over the stop styling the interior is no nonsense and incredibly functional. That's what a 992 interior should have been striving for but instead we get the interior of some silly SUV or luxo barge.
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Ferrari sells like 9K cars worldwide. Porsche sells like 10K 911's just in the USA.

911's are a mass produced sports car and they want to have a very wide audience for it.

Ferrari can cater to a more niche customer.

All the current Ferrari’s have analog tach flanked by digital screens just like the 992. Also, the Portofino and GT4Lusso have large central touch screens, again just like the 992. They all have buttons for selecting drive. They are covered in leather everywhere, so pretty luxurious. And you can get a digital screen for the passenger to see the revs, which I would say is pretty gimmicky. I just don’t understand why Ferrari is so great and the new 992 sucks so much.

Absolutely, but THAT'S exactly what Porsche should be doing with the 911, using the 911 and Cayman to cater to the niche customer. Leave the tech overload and luxury features for the LUXURY cars that are currently in their lineup rather then trying to homogenize them .

The analog tach and digital screens on the cluster is perfectly fine in the 992 providing it offers superior functionality over the outgoing cluster. The problem is the GIANT computer screen next to it that compromises the entire interior layout in order to accommodate it.

Also, forget comparing the Portofino and GT4 Lusso those are the luxury GT offerings more in line with what a 2 door Panamera would be so I could care less what cheesy techno garbage they want to load those up with.

The 911 doesn't need any of that gimmicky crap to sell well regardless of what you are being led to believe. The highest priced / most desirable 911's sell without actual interior door handles for crying out loud.

Meh, Ferrari has a certain slime associated to it that I don't gravitate too.

Porsche cleaning accessories
 

[QUOTE=limegreen;15385570]Great job with the interior redesign Porsche. You took a perfectly functional center console and turned it into a disgusting i pad covered in finger grease and spilled liquids.... This should be called the : 6 year old kids i pad option.

That's some forward thinking Porsche, great job getting ready for the next generation of buyers who grew up playing with disgusting smudged screens, they will feel right at home in the 992... Are you also planing to provide a roll of paper towels in that GIANT glove box to soak up the liquids that will spill into that trough?

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Can't wait to see the retail pricing on the accessories - Porsche authentic Cleaning cloths for $ 59.99 a 10 pack and the required environmentally safe liquid gel cleaner in a spray applicator for $ 99.99.............glad I have my PCA 10% discount to use at the dealer for these needed accessories...........

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Agree with many of the statements here. Why does the 911 have to take on the interior and exterior characteristics of the Panamera and SUVs? Has the average new 911 buyer actually become so interested in luxury, tech and gimmicks and less so on classic styling and driving? Probably so.....

Sure, 911's are mass produced compared to the average Ferrari, but not even close to Corvettes produced,.....and I don't see Chevy making the Vette look anything like an Equinox lately,....it definitely maintains it own identify through and through. Could you imagine the sales dive the Corvette would take if made to look like the rest of Chevy's lineup? Surely with the profits Porsche makes the 911 could maintain a complete identity all its own.

Is Porsche that interested in mass appeal for the 911? From everything they have ever sent me over my 25 years of ownership, the message has always been how special the 911 is and should remain, guess they are backing off that a bit.

I like that interior (same with Audi R8 which has a similar feel) but I hate the radio controls being in the central dash only. If I'm cruising with the wifey she's in charge of music.... all I can think about is her leaning over the driver's seat to see the dash as she scrolls through stations/etc...

[QUOTE=abiazis;15402954]Jesus Christ. THIS for f sake.

That console is a filthy trap that collects skin oils THEN traps any dust/other particles that touch it. How can one justify that? How? It looks like a nightmare. I bet if you ran your fingers or nails across those circled areas it would feel rough from the dried whatever residue that is.

Only thing I can guess is a $3000+ interior option which gives you carbon fiber or something else.

[QUOTE=Psorcery;15403163]this is no different from the current gen panameras- even in the showrooms, the smudges are seen easily. sucks.

Ironic comparison considering Chevy is completely stripping the Corvette of its identity by making it a mid-engined car next year...

Yes, I for one am glad Porsche is following the herd and copying other manufacturers. I look forward to the day when I can order my Poraudivolks Carrassat R8.2.

Luckily , you wont have to wait too much longer.... Next 911 platform will be the one! ( that ends it all completely)

Sure, but you will never mistake it for a Chevy sedan or SUV,.....it may be great, it may be ugly, but it won't be confused with anything else in the lineup.

Also think Mustang & Camaro. Love or hate them, they retain their complete own identity, in fact both Ford and Chevy take great pride in keeping them that way. Porsche wants to make the 992 look like a Panamera, Cayenne & Mecan. Other manufactures have taken this route also,....Audi (pretty much same front end and back end), Lexus with poop grill, BMW (not sure what concept they even have, except ugly angular looking front scoops),...all of them seem to follow the recent trend of "brand identification",.....everything needs to look exactly the same so you know it's a Lexus ?? Really ?? A 911 needs to look like everything else in the lineup so you recognize it as a Porsche? How funny that is.

Porsche can't afford a few design team members specific for the 911?,......they have to use the ones from the Pany/SUV team? There is no part sharing in the final designs, so don't know what the end goal is here, to just dilute the 911 into the rest of the lineup?

It appears that Porsche wants to own your entire garage by category of vehicle and the styling cues provide a connection across vehicle categories.......and they know if you have an emotional connection to the Porsche brand you will buy the Cayenne or Panamera to complement one of their sports cars you already own - 718, GT, 911 instead of a Land Rover or Mercedes....

Porsche is homogenizing the line to link together with the design cues.........they see it as branding strategy or their marketing people definitely do......

Some familiar design cues

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If Porsche made a truck I would buy it. Although I might get laughed at when I'm out in an OHV area unloading my dirt bike from the bed....:roflmao:

That Aston pictured is a MUCH better looking car.........design flows better..............have to get one of those!!

A $300K model

Looks to be worth it.......more exclusive and better looking in my opinion.........a step up from a 911......

My point was that the Corvette guys actually have something major to gripe and be dramatic about; in comparison, the 992 is a subtle evolution of the 991. The Panamera is...in my opinion...a great looking sedan and quasi-wagon with a strong family resemblance, and I think that's great. If you are confusing a 3,200lb sports car and a 4,500lb sedan...well, nothing anybody can do to help you there.

At least we know where the door handles came from :D

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Yeah, the Aston is in a different league altogether,.....now that is how you use black plastic on the back..... :D

Difference strokes I guess,....I have never really thought the Panamera was a good looking car,....certainly not the first generation and only marginally better today. Porsche made the first generation look like the 911 which was a huge mistake for it, then turn right back around and make the 992 look like the Panamera in many aspects. You would think they would have learned a lesson the first time. Porsche vehicles should maintain a good bit of individuality,....especially a car as iconic as the 911. Never felt any need for the "family resemblance" in my garage. Always had a 911 due to it not looking like anything else,....and certainly not buying a Pany, Mecan or Cayenne because they all have the same design cues,....maybe many people do, but not me.

^ Of course the Porsche non-sports cars need to be identifiable as Porsches - the brand is being exploited to profit enormously from these vehicles. The vast majority of Panamera/Cayenne/Macan buyers are buying into the brand..not for the vehicles' dynamic abilities. But I see them all as having 992 design cues; it is anchoring the lineup, not the other way around. And I have no plans to buy any of Porsche's non-sports cars, either.

STG - I made the exact same Panny/911 comparison in the 992 spy shots thread yesterday and was called "dramatic" for doing so. Were you a drama major as well?! :bowdown: Actually, I was an English major but I must say that I enjoyed reading dramatic novels. ;)

Looks like the air coolers will make another jump in value .Don't underestimate the new model , after all its new ! Today it has to be different to stay with the times ?We will get used to it , like it or not .

They just did - today! $76,556.00 All in

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^ Wow...that's crazy for a 100k miler, especially this time of year...

Until you get with the 30% depreciation. The very moment you sign on the dotted line.

Love Astons. Just don't love owning them.

After all those valid comments, there still be a lot of people paying the dreadful ADM for an allocation. Considering the taste the stealerships got from the GT cars, I'd say 7-10k for a buildable allocation for the first 6 months. They have the product and we have the itch.

There will be NO ADM's on Carrera's. There will be plenty. If Porsche dealers actually attempt that, walk. You should be able to get a 2%-4% discount. Some of you guys feed all this craziness. It's bad enough with the GT cars.

When the 991 came out, dealers in Houston were charging 2k above MSRP. That's way before the current GT nonsense.

GT or not, 911s are not pieces of handmade jewelry. The production is highly automated and very efficient. Their profit margins are already enormous and on top of that comes the dealer greed. In that sense, perhaps it's good that the design is not universally accepted (although the electric steering debacle comes to mind). Perhaps this way it will hamper their eagerness to overcharge.

Don't be one to be hounding dealers wanting to be on "the list", put $$ down, etc. After the first few months of taking orders, the initial hype will wane off. ADM on a Carrera, what a joke. Even a joke on the GT cars. That bubble will burst sooner than later. Low rates and over inflated stock market won't last.

5% discounts all day..on this new 911 Carrera...

The bull always dies eventually. Over leveraged people will dump their luxury items at a loss.

That's the time to buy fun cars.

Agree completely. Just a matter of time. I'm cashing up meanwhile...

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It looks like it is time to go electric. More cost and more trouble.The soot particles collected in the filter must be burned off from time to time. This is known as regeneration. But it must also work in low outdoor temperatures and on short journeys. In such cases, the engine control unit ensures that the filter heats up by increasing the exhaust gas temperature—for instance, through another combustion or a higher engine speed. With long periods of frost and a lot of short drives, a somewhat longer drive can be necessary for regeneration. “But in real road traffic we can usually get by without these protective measures,” emphasizes Werner. His team put in several hundred thousand test kilometers to put the system through its paces. The result: the cleanest Porsche models of all time. Living in hot climates with never having frost will make you feel like a diesel driver.

Limegreen - Once again, I agree with you. I like the current iteration of the 911 door handles. Elegant but highly functional and they are similar to the door handles from models past (such as the 993 I posted here). Form meets function. Part of the attraction to the 911 for me is that the model evolves but maintains its DNA. To take the metaphor further, it's DNA is getting mutated with some of the new (improved?) design features, one of them being the door handles. The new flush door handles look similar to the Tesla door handles.

Something that has not been talked about too much thus far is the change of the PDK to an 8 speed. It is not being changed for the sake of an improved transmission. It is being changed to make room for hybrid technology...in the 992.2 - maybe. In other words, in ways, the 992 is half-baked. It is making modifications to the car for purposes of making paradigm-shifting changes (maybe) in the next generation. Apparently, Porsche is not happy (yet) with the hybrid technology for the 992.1 but they are hoping to have it ready for the 992.2.

I am also disappointed in the side view mirrors but I will leave that for another post. To my eyes, the 991 sport design mirrors are head and shoulders better looking than the power folding mirrors on the 992. Perhaps the sport design mirrors will be available as an option in the 992 but I have not seen any mules with them.


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because many of them do, just look at the other threads. People high fiving each other over "better tech" and " newer is always better" and "the shaver shifter will be cool once they're all like that".

They'll look at some dumb nurburgring time that's two or three seconds lower and they'll say "see, it's a better car", oblivious to all pieces of nonsense. Just look at how pumped up people are about hybrid versions coming up.

Or the people who slap 'Zero Emissions' stickers on their Teslas, ignorant to the fact that their car is powered by coal.

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Saw one of these the other day,....talk about kool-aid drinkers. You still have to smelt the steel/aluminum, plastics created (oil), rape the earth for lithium, on and on. Not bagging the brand, just the really stupid aspect that these cars are Zero Emissions.

Whatever you guys do , stay out of the Taycan forum with this truth talk..... Some of the members posting in that forum are of course current EV drivers and as a result exude off the chart levels of self righteousness!

The only thing that would make that entire situation sweeter would be if others from Porsche came forward and supported his comments.

That's what makes it fun to troll them :typing:

In addition, Li-ion batteries only get about 500 C/D cycles anyway. After that, the range of your electric car goes off a cliff.

An old top gear episode comes to mind as well. A Prius at race pace (!) on a track did 17 mpg and a M3 V8 trailing it did 19.
It's a lot of how you drive, not always what. The carbon foot print of an economically viable electric car has great potential to be quite worse compared to a gas powered.
I have (possibly futile) hope that the recent developments in CO2 conversion will let us keep burning gas a little longer.

Oh not just the carbon footprint. Lithium. Mining it is horrifically toxic to the environment, far worse than turning raw bauxite into aluminum.

In some places, EVs make a lot of sense, but in others they're worse than gas. That doesn't matter to the average person nowadays; they have 'Zero Emissions' stamped into their minds, oblivious to the whole picture.

The push towards EV is yet another misguided and stupid band aid fix that seeks to treat the symptom with half baked technology rather than fix the problem. In time, I feel it will fall flat on it's face but before it does that , the untold damage inflicted on the industry will be immeasurable. The EV mission right now is to choke out internal combustion engines in a witch hunt that seeks to rid the world of them by over regulation.

Starting next year Porsche and likely everyone else shortly afterwards will begin adding particulate filters to all their Direct Injected gasoline cars. It turns out the hugely expensive and over complicated DI fuel systems aren't as clean as they originally thought and produce huge amounts of particulate matter ( the black soot you see around the tail pipes) so they have decided to solve that problem by adding yet more expensive and complex systems by utilizing expensive particulate filters (monitored by even more sensors) to clean them up..Just another reason why the 992 will be even more of an expensive throw away once the warranty expires. The over regulation that has taken hold has these manufactures jumping through hoops before they even land from the last jump and the loser in all of this will be the one holding the keys to a 2019+ model.....

I'm sure the particulate filters can be hacksawed out and the software patched. That being said, a recent BMW press release said the US wouldn't require them.

I'm with Walter...:cheers:

Lots of retards out there.

Looking at the new Cayenne, in the past any Porsche design was very unique and didn't resemble or be easily mistaken for another brand.

Take the badges off here, and could be a Volvo, Lincoln, or (insert the brand here).

Am I right??

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You are right- it has the new universal SUV rear light module. Nothing ugly, but why? Was someone thinking it wasn't obviously wide?

It is a Lincoln now.....not that distinctive.........pandering to the Asian market tastes in China, etc.....

I raced up behind this car last night thinking I was about to get my first glimpse of the 992! To my disappointment, as I got closer I realized that it was a Lincoln. Then to my further disappointment I reflected on how generic the styling has become and how easily the 992 will be confused at night by a Panamera, Cayenne , Macan , Lincoln etc.

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Hey, at least they did turn it upside down,.....errrr, right side up????

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I walked my dealer lot today when my car was being serviced and there was honestly not a single new vehicle on the lot that I would have an ounce of interest in. And, by God, the new Panamera is such an ugly car in person.

What the hell did they do to the front end of the Cayenne?? Looks like could be Tesla.

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Its a good thing she has a good personality.

Hmm, Actually drove a tesla model 3 performance and liked it a lot. Dunno, i think it is the future and yes it makes the car an appliance, but that's why we still have sports cars.

Good point. Design looks more Asian import than German. Just like the Italians have their own style, Porsche seems to be morphing into something quite far from their homeland roots.

The wheel design alone on the Cayenne could easily be off a Honda, Lexus, or Toyota. Seems like they're losing their trademark look. Put some Asian import brand badging on the Cayenne and nobody would think twice.

Well, the engine size and car design seem to be pandering for the Chinese laws and taste Chinese, respectively. But that's probably just a coincidence. Porsche would say intelligent performance courageous design changes everything. In the proper font.

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I wish I could tell you otherwise but the best part about this whole stupid cyclops fashion wave is that the supposed retro throwback to the air cooled cars isn't even accurate because the center portion was simply an unlit reflector. That made it a far less dramatic statement and more so at night. I always thought the purpose of taillights were to identify the rear corners of a vehicle at night but now it has become the easiest way for lazy designers to make bold statements without doing any actual design work. Pretty much the entire theme of the 992 if you ask me.

Yes, that is exactly what it looks like,....and heading for. I guess that is what the "general" public wants,....in China that is. I always hoped that Porsche would never be a sellout and keep original styling queues that would appeal to all markets (originality?) After all, does everyone want a Porsche that looks like it was designed in/for their own country? I certainly don't want a 911 that looks like it was designed for the US (yuck!). Do the Chinese what a Cayenne that looks like it was designed in an Asian design studio? I just don't understand the logic here. IMO I would think they would want something that truly stands out compared to all the other makes in the country. :crying:

If I go for a 992, the 80's neon light in the back will get some tinting or painting. Especially with that teeth gap in the middle. I'm sure Porsche will be glad to delete it for the proper fee.
Even more worrisome is if they start changing how the car drives on top of how it looks, to pander to their larger market.

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I like the 992. Comparing it to the bat mobile is a compliment. Batman had a pretty bad ass car.

There is more love for the 992 here than the "LOVE the 992" thread :roflmao:

This thread was meant as a joke to get the negative comments and distractions out of the SPY SHOT thread. Yeah, we've picked apart the design and offered some valid points. It's a critique. No personal attacks against anyone or trolling.

In the big scope of things, the car will very likely look fine and will sell and make money for Porsche.

Porsche is getting bigger and is changing who they are for better or worse. You decide. No right or wrong answer here.

Good thing being a consumer is having the choice where to spend your money. Very simple. The only thing I'd consider in the future is a GT3. I'd never buy a Carrera again. Not looking for a daily driver, and want something more raw for a sports car. That's me. Opinions and tastes vary of course.

I haven't posted in a non-transaxle thread in years now, this seems like a good time.

You're absolutely right that the car is gonna sell as well or even better than the 991. Porsche has been changing as much as every brand has to pander to/draw in more buyers since at least the late 70s/early 80s.

As a consumer myself, my only choice is whether to spend my money on a diecast version when it comes out or not because I'm starting to think 911s are a bit too expensive, or rather have been too expensive for a while now....I always think back to how my dad bought his '74 911 BRAND NEW back in 1975 pretty close to the same age I am now (27 vs 23 respectively). I can say with certainty that unless I hit the lottery jackpot, a brand new 911 probably isn't in the cards for me or many others my age under normal circumstances haha. That said, I'm content having owned more Porsches than most my age, one of them being a Turbo (944 and 931), but that also got me thinking about when people say they want the raw experience from a 911.

Wouldn't/Shouldn't the rawest experience for a 911 come from the cheapest one? Ignoring the Carrera T, GT cars, and the people that say "buy an older 911". In my mind the rawest 911 would be the base model sans any "performance upgrades". No PCCB, Sport Chrono, Power Steering Plus, Rear Wheel Steering, or any of that extra fluff. Less electrical/computerized add-ons puts more control in in the driver's hands. The less tech, the rawer the car. To be fair, we are asking computers to be more like typewriters. I could ramble on and on, but I'm busy configuring 911s that cost as much as houses in even the lowest trims and thinking to myself "this is silly". I was theoretically in the market, a base Carrera with little in way of luxury like the one I've made here would be my perfect "raw" daily driver 911.
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Now, if by fate I come into enough money to make this a reality by the time I turn 27, who knows! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Mine started out that way, but the configurator is a devil that sucks you in just before finalizing the build.

^^^^ +1
From Car & Driver:

". . . exhausts that exit through the bumper rather than underneath it. These exhaust tips are not physically connected to the muffler exits, which allows them to be closer to the fascia—at the price of some authenticity. This disconnection also reduces repair costs in rear-end collisions, which apparently is important for German insurance premiums."

The German insurance bean-counters are now determining the back-end of brand new Porsches apparently. :grr:

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Can you guys educate me on why hybrid is necessarily such a bad thing for the 911?

I love high driver engagement and low weight, probably like most of us. I don't see this necessarily being less engaging, so is it the weight that's the issue, or just that's it's a new (perhaps more complicated) drivetrain?

Allegedly it reduces insurance premiums in Germany, as a rear end collision is cheaper to fix without involving the exhaust system. Allegedly.

If above is true I don't know - seems likely. But one definite reason for doing fake exhaust tips is that manufacturing won't have to align and adjust exhaust tips in relation to the bumper. You take out all tolerances and possibilities for looking bad from behind when doing this. Problem (IMHO) is that now it really looks bad from behind because you see the smaller diameter shiny pipe ends inside huge fake oval tips. Look at Audi R8 V10 for a really horrible example.

I was hoping Porsche wouldn't do this but the 991.2 GT2RS proved me wrong, and it seems to continue :(

I think they started the practice of placing the hot muffler exit pipe inside of a fitting that keeps hot gases slightly away from the decorative bodywork on the 918. A GT2RS showed up at Cars N Coffee last Saturday. This "horrible" feature was not the topic of discussion. Granted, it was not the 992 version so we will have to wait on that judgement.

Weight, reliability, ease of self maintenance, driver engagement, dilution of the name.

All exhaust tips are "fake." They don't serve a function other than adding bling. Whether they are welded on or aligned but not physically connected doesn't make them real or fake. And how they are connected (or not) does not affect performance one iota. Real exhaust comes through them in both cases. It's fine to not like the lack of a physical connection, but to call them fake is like saying a Lotus chassis is fake because it's "glued" together rather than welded.

+ Very expensive long-term maintenance and technology that becomes obsolete very quickly.

Guys buy 911s for many reasons but certainly performance, handling, prestige, and history are at the top of the list. They don't buy 911s for high mpg or low emissions. 911 folks are not clamoring for a hybrid. It is being forced upon them by regulatory requirements.

So then the question is, what does a hybrid do for the sports car enthusiast? Not much. More weight, complexity, worse handling, sound sucks etc. You can make an argument that performance can be increased (918, 919) but these are specialty cars, in part to emotionally prepare the sports car community for hybrids and to be a developmental test platform.

If you want to know the future of the 911, look at what Porsche just did at Le Mans. Abandoned LMP1 for Formula E. All electric is coming to the 911.

I somehow doubt that a 911 hybrid will be "foisted" on anyone, any more than Porsche will stop marketing a deconted, "lightweight" 911T to satisfy the "purists" if there are sales to be had and money to be made. A 911 hybrid is most likely to be the range topper for non-GT cars, slotted above the big engine Turbo. If you want to understand why, get a ride in a Panny TT Hybrid and see why demand exceeds supply.

Fair enough. I did get a ride in that car on Porsche's track in Leipzig by a professional driver. Scared the crap out of me.

No doubt the all electric 911 is coming,....and that will be my bow out from the name and new cars in general. I grew up on ICE's and it's too much in my blood,....every single electric toy I had,....I always wanted the gas version. Plus I think there are much better alternatives coming compared to a bunch of batteries and electric motors. There is just no way I could drive around a silent 911. Now that will be a sad day (at least to me). I'll let the next generations handle the autonomous electric car world.

I'm with you. I'm old school. Don't care for electric or FI. NA for me. Perhaps when I'm done with GT cars I move on to Singer.

It predates the 918 by a long time on VW products. The decorative chrome tips of my Gallardo are attached to the rear fascia, but not to the exhaust pipes, so it's been going on for at least a decade. As you say, I expect it is to keep hot pipes away from flammable plastic.

As we move away from ICEs, however, I do not understand the big faux-pipe trend. Who are they fooling with giant square dual exhausts on a 2.0 turbo-4 (pick your manufacturer)? It's like fake side pipes back in the 1970s. Even as a little kid I thought it was ridiculous.

The move toward FI and ultimately toward electric is why I am stockpiling - if 2 cars is stockpiling - NA 991s. God willing, my GTS and GT3T are the last two cars I will ever buy. If I want to drive an electric vehicle, I'll go play golf and rent a cart.

We can not blame a bad design of Porsche on Asian influence. There is a huge market for Porsche in Asia because a good number of affluent Asian appreciate the performance, heritage, and the classic teutonic design of Porsche. I would think a fleet of Porsche cars looks like Lexus or Kia would be a quick way to lose market in Asia as well as the rest of the world. It would be stupid for Porsche to catering to a particular taste but not the state of the art design. In general, my experience is a good or bad design not only reflects the taste of the design department, but even more importantly, the top management of the company. As for example, we all can see Steve Job's influence on the Apple products, it would not have been the same without him. I too do not like the design of the new Cayenne's front end, and think the overall design is bland. I worry it shows the direction Porsche is heading into. Let's hope not. And if so, I would only blame Porsche for it but not the Asian market.

Funny how reading this thread just makes me really dislike the new design. Overall I don't hate it but I don't like the plastic near the tailpipes. Yes, the car is getting a more unified design with the rest of the lineup and is going more mainstream. But it will drive better. Worth it? I think so.

Electric cars don't bother me so much. It is when the slot cars start showing up that I am out!

I don't like the new one at all. I know they are unveiling it soon, but the its not going to deviate too much from the spy shots.
I am pretty unhappy because I have been planning for years to buy my dream car (a brand new paint to sample Turbo) but when I am going to be set, the 992 is what's available...and I am sure as heck not buying it.

I like the new hood.

I don't like the ugly rear lights (looks just like the cayman and panemara; it looks good on them, not the 911). The new spoilers designs are terrible. The regular 911 looks like its skirt is being blown up, the turbo spoiler looks ho hum. All the cars are wide body, so they all look even more similar. The interior is atrocious...it looks like a Volvo from the early 2000s. The nub is possibly the least sports car thing they could have put. Either put a "real" looking faux shifter, or just make it buttons on the console with paddle shifters only. The console itself doesnt look too hot (I dislike large consoles). I really liked the 911 because they only had "emergency" cupholders, no more.

At least now I won't feel like I am settling if I buy a used 991 now, in addition to saving 40k. Unfortunately, it won't be signal yellow. My dream car got away...

If I had to buy a new one in a year or two I'd probably just get a cayman or a panemara. They look a lot better than the 911 does, and are way cheaper

Your not alone , even some of us who currently own 991's have had our dreams crushed as we realize there will not be another future 911 worth buying.

The 992 redesign simply sucks. period. end of story. They made NO subjective improvements over the previous design and have only succeeded in making the 911 more of a homogenized sport/luxury vehicle similar to the rest of Porsche's current lineup.

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yeah its pretty bad...I am not even "stuck in the past" or "hate change"...I am 35, haven't owned a porsche before, but driven plenty of nice cars. I like porsche because they always kept their design classy and sporty. Now the interior looks like it wants to be an electric car.

IMO they are going to lose a lot of fans. I keep using myself as an example, since I know myself best. I've wanted a 911, specifically a turbo, forever. I am not a motor head, but rather someone that loves good design. I've been buying used cars and driving them to the ground, saving, working hard to get where I am, and was planning on rewarding myself with a brand new Turbo. Now, the reasons I love the 911 will be gone. My wife has an electric car. Its plenty fun, and really sporty. It's not loud, but its good at what it does.

I wish I was in a financial position to order one of the 991s, but I am going to miss it by a few years.

My dream car list just went from "brand new paint to sample 911 Turbo-911-911- some other car" to "991/997 Turbo-used 911/Tesla Roadster-something super cheap so I can spend my time/money on other things".

Yeah, I always though a modern Signal Yellow turbo would look good and age well. Alas. Nah, I won't repeat (edit: repaint)...I've goofed around with cars to where I now prefer just to keep them stock except for minor tweaks (exhaust tips, wheels). Especially with something this pricey.

The early 2000 volvos had this attempt to look futuristic/minimalist but it really just looked good without being actually a good layout for the console. I get the same sense from the 992. Haptic buttons, tons of screens, a nub..but in a car that is supposed to be sporty and classic? It just doesnt match. This is the interior I expect in a hybrid or electric car.

I would rather buy a panemara..its a family car, not a sports car. The interior matches the outside, and its overall function. The 911 is a sports car.
The Panamera do look pretty good...but that doesn't mean the 911 should look like one.

For someone that has never owned a Porsche before you sure are DEAD ON with your assessment of what's happening. I'm the same age and agree 100% with where your coming from. It's sad and I wish we had better choices to look forward to.

Well, I have been admiring/reading/appreciatingwaiting my whole life to buy one :D
For me a Porsche was always that classic look, an air-cooled (ok water cooled) flat 6 (NA and turbo!), and it was sleek and sexy but also wide and low for the tuned up versions. They age so well. Even the 996 I really liked. The 992, for some reason, I doubt will age well at all.

But now they'll all look the same, and there's no NA unless go GT. They took the things I liked most. I mean, if they are going to make the 911 spoiler look like that, they might as well have taken the panamera split wing tech.

I dont even mind going hybrid or electric, as long as it's done right.

The good thing is I can now shift my goals from *New turbo" to "used turbo AND money", "Cayman AND electric car" or "Tesla Roadster". Or heck, maybe just wait for the 992 successor and get an electric/future sports car. This 992 is a bridge for the 911 to become a high end hybrid or electric...I dont think it will be remembered for much else. Its styling is too forward for its technology.

I am actually browsing local lux car shops, maybe I'll go check out a used 991 a little earlier...I mean, if I am gonna have used car in 3 years, might as well be me using during those 3 years :cheers:


PS: Re looking forward to better choices...unless you really like supercars, there's always the reasonable choice: buy a super cheap, useful daily driver (my prius takes $20 of fuel, my electric $1-3 a day and its dead silent/smooth/smart) and then get an entry level cayman any color you want because its never going on an errand)

Spot on but you might swallow the pill if you think the otherway round
The 992 is a Panamera that looks like a 911

Where the hell the designer and the board have drunk that day they have chosen this 992 design??


time for another robmypro funny video...

It's interesting how no one calls out the Mercedes GT as a 911 alternative. I like the car, but can't see it as a daily driver...

Not sure why either,....but IMO (and just that) the Mercedes GT is about one of the butt ugliest cars to be be released,...and that goes for the whole recent Mercedes lineup.
It simply looks to me like the ultimate size 13 clown shoe that got hit in the nose 10 more times. I've seen only a couple around since they rolled out,...look pretty nice from the
back and cabin, but that nose, OMG....

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The 4-door too.... I have never cared for Mercedes and year after year I continue to feel 'meh...' about them, I even worked in a Mercedes stealer parts department for 18 months after retiring from an IT career and you would not believe how much stuff breaks on those cars. People that spend that kind of money for questionable quality just to have a pointy star in front of them (and an illuminated one at that).... shaking my head with total lack of understanding

What else will they dictate?

Ford wants to eliminate the 'new car smell' from its vehicles
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I guess the Ford factory workers can just fart in them all day long before they are sent off?

I thought they were partial to the spacious Prius interior...

This worked for a beemer:
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nicely done! so true

Agreed 100%
But given how Porsche design seems to be looking over the shoulder of Lexus engineers.... I'm so very glad for my GT4.
:D

They were once giving all the German luxury brands a run for their money and like you said, great looking cars. What the hell happened?

Well they were the first to offer fake tips:

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Ouch!

I'd love to see someone explain how that qualifies as a form follows function design element...

I really, really don't like fake tips. In any shape, size, number or form.

992 now has a version of BMW's "Bangle Butt" which alienated their loyalists for about ten years a decade ago but secured new customers in new markets for BMW and created more overall sales....good for Porsche VW strategy in the long term, new loyalists can be recruited with this new design as BMW did....

So now a Porsche designer can be famous for a rear end named after them..

Has 400 horsepower, accelerates at Model T pace.

THANKS FOR PROVIDING THIS......THEY WENT AFTER A NEW CUSTOMER AND ULTIMATELY SOLD MORE CARS..........PORSCHE IS DOING THE SAME WITH THEIR REACH INTO ASIAN MARKETS...............WITH THEIR LASER GAMEBOY STYLE REAR END................SOME DESIGNER MUST LIKE THE "KARDASHIAN ASS EFFECT".........ON A 911...................

I read that the fake tips are to detach the bumper from the exhaust system. Apparently this decrease insurance premiums in Germany related to cost to fix fender benders.

I read the same thing. Overall, save $$ by not having real tips rather than molded holes in the bumper.

991.1 PSE tips are over $1K for the pair.

I'd really like to see what "reduction" in insurance premiums there is,....show me the $$$ first before I believe it. I view this more as a cost savings for VW, er Porsche rather than anything else.
Just an easy way for the new unaware buyers to get scammed a bit compared to the outgoing 991. Dazzle them with screens, de-content other areas.....no one will notice......right......:rolleyes:

Now the bumper cover is more expensive,....and what about that new little light bar that may now get mashed in a fender bender? I'm sure that will not be a low dollar item. Seems they just traded one thing for another here.

Not happy with the gear-shift... stick!?!
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First real shot of the interior?? Looks like Nubbin stays as does electric handbrake by drink holder. 2 surprises IMO.

I am a person who is trying to stay positive about the 992 and try to get others to be reasonable with their comments. But even I am not liking the look of this 992 interior...

The front end of this car looks even more hideous (compared to the rest of it) when viewed from the side.
Bizarre.

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it's basic trim and spartan. I know, >100k+ @ inflated price, throw in leather stuff and it will look better.

I bet keyfob will be in a forum of a nubbin, or may be nubbin is your plug-in key.. :))

Funny thing is, if VW AG had put this car out with an Audi badge on it and said it was platform sharing, all the Porsche zealots defending this mess would be screaming 'Audi ruined the 911, look at how ugly that is!', but since it's Porsche, they're making like the Teslarati and professing love for the Emperor's new clothes.

It just looks like is was designed by gizmo people, not real driving enthusiasts. Is that a big speaker grill right behind the pull handle?...great for the knuckles. The break from big screen to the gauges is horrible as I thought it would be,....and so is the nubbin. Center vents look really cheap IMO. What's with the paddles being pretty small and the baseball bat for wiper functions? How are you supposed to read what is being displayed beneath the vent?....is it even legible from driver angle?

Middle of the car still has its organic smooth curves from the 991, but looks odd with a different design style on the new front end.

same boat... I think the 992 has huge potential but that interior seems like a disaster. I keep hoping with production finishes it doesn't look as bad but these pics look like full production interior. Yikes.

Yup.
I think that if they had not gone for the aggressive front "Lexus" grill and stayed with an overall smoother front end, the 992 might have been much more well received, even with the back end as it is.

Come to think of it, a lot of those flat switches on the 992 dash look pretty Laborghini-esque.

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Fine, I will admit... I love the new 992...

....it makes me appreciates even more my 991.2 :D

I love the front but that rear is too bulky. What matters is what it drives like though. Maybe I will get used to it once I get my hands on one and I forget that I ever disliked the shape of the rear bumper. :)

I love the fact that my GTI has the same wheel as a $200k Lamborghini. LOL.
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Shocker.......... It's the exact same POS " why? why? why?" ugly interior with "WTF?" exterior design elements that we have been complaining about for the last few months. Where are all the " you haven't even seen the finished car yet" people now????

They are in bed with a fever and strep throat. :D

New headlight daytime lights are now cat eyes.

Ok....I'm a huge 992 fan but now looking at this side picture, I agree the front looks a little weird. It's huge and weird. It's like looking at a giant mole on someone's face and you just cant look away, you just keep staring at it wondering WTF? I'll chalk it up to the "camera angle".

I thought I liked the front....until the last few posts. On a light colored car the hood line is pretty bad.

From the side the nose looks like a 996. Not the design inspiration they should have went for. They lengthened the nose from the headlight forward.
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Front fascia on this yellow car is horrible. I don't mind the rear, however.

I hate the shifter nub...and worse is the button below the cup holder. Yay....pull your drink out and there is a button there....

I will miss the PDK shifter.....The nub sucks

This thing looks terrible all around

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i like it

So many people just hate getting passed.

Where have I seen that front end befo........OMG




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This is like when the new Ford sedan looked just like an Aston Martin, except in reverse. No wonder VAG killed off the Beetle....avoid confusion at the dealerships.

Yes...WTF indeed.....Lol "straight six"....WTF

To me this car is the "new" 996. I am just not fully feeling it, yeah I will have get the Turbo S or the GTS but gonna think twice before buying.

:roflmao:

I'm so dissapointed with this. So many design flaws. Front looks like unfinished with this bumper. Lower part of hood looks like they went off the lines when drawing. It loses also the lightness of the 991. Rear? Was hoping for bigger and wider bar. There is too much space between porsche script and exhaust area. Also..there was a better solution with installing the third like brake. "Hans! We forgot abot therd lit! Oh, just stick it here!". I really was hoping for something extraorinary here, like light on every vent "toth" spreading across the vents when braking. And OMG...the interior. Is it a new big BMW sedan? It doesn't look like the sports car anymore... Clocks are fine but the the rest is more "wardrobe" than dasboard. And the worst thing off them all....The NUBBIN. Is there any bad car design contest next year? I bet this little ****ty selector will win the main prize even if the braun guys will vote opposite.

Overall it looks rather good. Proportions looks fine. Good mold to make nice facelift.

Must to see in it in real life just to get used to.

And... If You take model designation delete option? How recognize if it is S or 4S car? :)

Interior looks like a BMW or Mercedes and the rear is one big bubble butt.


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It looks like they have attempted to integrate the CHMSL with the satellite radio antenna, hence the square area at the base of the light. Good idea in concept, but as with the interior, the execution is half-assed. If they had sweated the details with the LED strips, they could have avoided extending the light above the grill slats while keeping the antenna aperture clear.

Could have looked really sharp. Bummer...

I like the car but that third brake light is stupid. Also what's with the new font for the badges? Totally out of place and unacceptable imo.

Some after market company will come up with a solution to get rid of it in the next few months ,,,,I couldn,t live with that on the car ,it reminds me of the international harvester badge ..:banghead:

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992: The 718 in the evolution of the 911... :icon107:

Like the 718, it wasn't built for us.

They'll do fine in China.

Digital applications: “Road Trip”, “360+” and “Impact”

“Porsche Road Trip” supports car enthusiasts in planning, organising and navigating special trips. The curated routes it offers include exclusive hotel and restaurant recommendations as well as points of interest and viewpoints along the route.

“Porsche 360+” has the goal of allowing the customer to enjoy the Porsche experience even while away from the vehicle; the heart of “Porsche 360+” is a personal lifestyle assistant that is available to customers around the clock. The assistant is intended to make everyday life easier and exclusive experiences possible.

“Porsche Impact” is an emissions calculator. It calculates the financial contributions that Porsche customers can pay to offset their CO2 footprint. They themselves can choose the internationally certified climate projects in which to invest. The projects available are spread out all over the world and focus on wind, hydro and solar power, as well as forest protection.



What a fu#k!ng disaster.......

^^ I agree ..


Yeah, that 360+ 24hr concierge or butler service they were talking about. $100 a month? Anything on demand just a call away. Need table to hottest restaurant, need Tinder hookup?? What the heck is this thing named again??

Porsche talked more about all the great cars of the past and sold the 992 like a Yeezy runway show. You'd think they were unveiling a new iPhone. They're a lifestyle and consumer brand now. Same sales strategy as a Birkin bag.

Oh yeah, WET MODE !!!

They've lost the vision and venturing into new territory. Good luck.

WTF was that guy doing there?? Obviously knows little about Porsche and doesn't even own one. A little embarrassing IMO.

I sure could use a "wet mode" myself because I just p!ssed my pants laughing at how absolutely ridiculous this all is.

I really would love to meet the people that think these above features are anything but a complete joke.

Had to sleep after seeing the 992 launch.... it's not a bad design, but IMO it really is trying to pull in new customers/target a different audience and force the enthusiasts to adopt the future or get left behind as well. The interior and tech just clash with the analog drivers car ethos of the 911 to me. I guess PAG thought that they'll make more money making the 911 seem very futuristic and loaded with tech, rather than looking at the hype and demand for restomods/Singer etc along the analog lines as all other cars are already trudging forward towards futuristic designs. Wish they left the 911 alone to be its own design, and they can do the tech/future stuff with the other model lines like they already have been doing

I still plan on replacing my 991.2 C4 with a 992.1 C4S (or C4) at some point, but now I look at it as I'll have my 991.2 GT3 sportscar and a 992.1 luxury 2 door Panamera for a commuter. I'm sure the 992 will drive like a 911. But with the 992 design, I just don't feel it, feels like it belongs in the city commuting or we activate flying mode then it turns into an autonomous drone, rather than in the canyons or on the track for whatever reason (as capable as it will be on both)

I don't mind the rear end as it seems like a 991.3 evolution from the 991.2, but my God what are they thinking with the third brake light. It looks like a glow stick toy that a 10 year old kid left on top of the car. Nubbin, why!!!!! I almost would prefer a Benz column stalk/shifter to just not see the thing, rather than that nubbin. I use the PDK knob to shift from time to time and looks like that option has been removed. Hood should be flush with the side fenders and not extend into the front bumper. New Chrono clock doesn't look as good. And we have the haptic Panamera style center console, why couldn't we keep the buttons or get nice toggles like we have above the AC vents now. So we have nice buttons up top, and then a flat touch based center console that will be a finger print magnet, just clashes to me.

Now I'm curious to see over time whether the 992 becomes like the 996 and PAG backtracks or does some design adjustments moving forward for either the 992.2 or gen after that ala 997 (994.1?), or the 992.1 is a smash hit and it's just going to get even more futuristic and tech laden after that..

992 feels very futuristic and Panamera like, whether we RLers like it or not!

Agree with you sampellegrino. I would have rather seen the 911 have it's own look than looking like a Cayenne from the rear, or Macan. I get trying to have a 'look' for the entire fleet, but the 911 is still the only car in the lineup that doesn't have a name, just a number. There's a reason for that. I'm still hoping one day Porsche will start making the 904.

Anyway, I won't hate on the 992, but there are a few things that really bother me. Mostly in the back. One is the light bar. I hope that will be an option down the road, or deleted all together. The other is the hump-like look from the rear windshield down to the bumper. I'm pretty sure the angle is the same as the 991.2, but there's something going on that makes it look strange and bulky. Just not appealing. The other thing is the 3D Porsche lettering. Nightmare to clean and just looks tacky in my opinion. Lastly, the only grip I have on the interior is the tach. I know it's analog, but it looks digital. I wish they kept the old one. Looks much classier. Oh, I should add the seats. Not a fan of the bulkier looking (almost Audi) seats. I like the slim minimalist sport plus.

In the debut video, the VP of Porsche Design Michael Mauer is quoted as saying . . . "What we did basically is just clean the surfaces and straighten the lines."

"The 930 Turbo is really the car that inspired us."

"That was really the car that we had all the time with us in the studio."

First impression: Appears that they've botched the new LED headlights, including the driving lights. Wonder if there are other options. Label looks tacky too.

What happened to the cool 918 style headlights? Maybe those are an option?

Along with the rest of the car they'll hopefully look better in person. The black ones on the yellow example look better.

Edit: The Black LEDs on this yellow car may be the standard LEDs, similar to 918. They look superior in pictures versus the optional matrix LEDs.

Agreed,....if I wanted something "fancy" that I have to drive around with my pinkie finger extended,....it would be totally something else.
Wish they would put forth this sort of effort and monies toward making it better looking and more geared toward actual driving.

If this is what most people are expecting from a 911,....the icon is indeed fading and will be on life support soon....

Yeah, I heard the same when he was talking.

I think it was a bad approach and misguided rationale. Not to mention, what inspiration did they even take?? :confused: Wide fenders and dashboard??

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The only thing I see is the hood and the rear reflector bar turned into a light bar. Except they took that feature and moved it way too high on the rear.

What inspiration did the nubbin and third brake light come from??

LOL

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Sorry!! :roflmao:

Or for an actual 930.

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Definitely a 992.2 fix.