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Old 12-18-2018, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Dewinator
It looks like a new "feature" is if the car doesn't feel you're in a place appropriate to go fast... it decides how fast to go for you.

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/fut...-porsche-911#7

Hard pass.

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Originally Posted by Dewinator
It looks like a new "feature" is if the car doesn't feel you're in a place appropriate to go fast... it decides how fast to go for you.

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/fut...-porsche-911#7

Hard pass.


This feature is a mandate from the Chinese Government. They have a "social credit" system they are implementing. (https://www.businessinsider.com/chin...plained-2018-4). The system doesn't just neuter the car but also allows tracking and monitoring. Think about getting into your 911 only to find out it won't rev past 3K RPM because your government deems you need more "social points."

For many years the USA has driven design for the rest of the world. China is becoming rich very fast and is closing the gap on consumption. Additionally, they have a tariff system that basically says your product is going to be so expensive that very few people will buy it unless you adhere to our standards. Nothin new here. This mandate brought us the 3.0tt in the 991.2!
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Originally Posted by Dewinator
It looks like a new "feature" is if the car doesn't feel you're in a place appropriate to go fast... it decides how fast to go for you.

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/fut...-porsche-911#7

Hard pass.

WTF?? What next? No thanks.

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Originally Posted by garfunkle
This feature is a mandate from the Chinese Government. They have a "social credit" system they are implementing. (https://www.businessinsider.com/chin...plained-2018-4). The system doesn't just neuter the car but also allows tracking and monitoring. Think about getting into your 911 only to find out it won't rev past 3K RPM because your government deems you need more "social points."

For many years the USA has driven design for the rest of the world. China is becoming rich very fast and is closing the gap on consumption. Additionally, they have a tariff system that basically says your product is going to be so expensive that very few people will buy it unless you adhere to our standards. Nothin new here. This mandate brought us the 3.0tt in the 991.2!


That's some scary sh*t!! Possible here in the USA too, don't think it can't.

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I think the 991.2 just might be "the" Porsche to continue to own long term.
I have a GT3 now...might need to go buy a Touring too.
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Originally Posted by italiafan
I think the 991.2 just might be "the" Porsche to continue to own long term.
I have a GT3 now...might need to go buy a Touring too.
You may want to consider a 991.1 instead. DI turbo engines have a significant amount of increased complication that will surely reduce longevity and increase running costs down the road.
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Originally Posted by limegreen
You may want to consider a 991.1 instead. DI turbo engines have a significant amount of increased complication that will surely reduce longevity and increase running costs down the road.
If you're going used, may as well hunt for a 9A1 equipped 997.2. That way you get the last N/A motor generation, with the last hydraulic steering, and a six speed instead of the awkward 7Mt.
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Originally Posted by Argon_
If you're going used, may as well hunt for a 9A1 equipped 997.2. That way you get the last N/A motor generation, with the last hydraulic steering, and a six speed instead of the awkward 7Mt.
Why stop there? Go all the way back to the 993 and go air cooled.
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Originally Posted by Argon_
If you're going used, may as well hunt for a 9A1 equipped 997.2. That way you get the last N/A motor generation, with the last hydraulic steering, and a six speed instead of the awkward 7Mt.
I just took a road trip in a 997.2 Carrera S.. Uhh, compared to a 991. Hell no. No thanks. Steering in a 991.2 (revised over the 991.1. There really is a big difference) is better than the hydraulic steering in the 997.

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Originally Posted by limegreen
You may want to consider a 991.1 instead. DI turbo engines have a significant amount of increased complication that will surely reduce longevity and increase running costs down the road.
That's why I have a 6MT 991.2 GT3.
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Originally Posted by Argon_
If you're going used, may as well hunt for a 9A1 equipped 997.2. That way you get the last N/A motor generation, with the last hydraulic steering, and a six speed instead of the awkward 7Mt.
I agree but I took that 997.2 search to the end of the earth before giving up and buying my 991.1. While the 991.1 has plenty of over complicated tech that can and will go wrong, at least having the feel and sound of that glorious NA engine along with the comfort of knowing it's far less complex than the turbo engine is enough for me.
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Originally Posted by Argon_
If you're going used, may as well hunt for a 9A1 equipped 997.2. That way you get the last N/A motor generation, with the last hydraulic steering, and a six speed instead of the awkward 7Mt.
I agree but I took that 997.2 search to the end of the earth before giving up and buying my 991.1. While the 991.1 has plenty of over complicated tech that can and will go wrong, at least having the feel and sound of that glorious NA engine along with the comfort of knowing it's far less complex than the turbo engine is enough for me.



Originally Posted by italiafan
That's why I have a 6MT 991.2 GT3.
That is definitely the way to do it and if it wasn't for the over-complicated rear wheel steering system it would be the absolute perfect combination of enjoy-ability and longevity.

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Originally Posted by limegreen

That is definitely the way to do it and if it wasn't for the over-complicated rear wheel steering system it would be the absolute perfect combination of enjoy-ability and longevity.
Over-complicated? Seems an extremely simple solution to me. No hydraulics either.
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Originally Posted by bonn72
Over-complicated? Seems an extremely simple solution to me. No hydraulics either.
Yeah, I'd agree with that. Compared to all the easily criticizable bullsh1t in recent cars, an actuated toe link is a simple and elegant solution.

I just wish that Porsche would carry the concept of the T to its completion, and give us a stripped, light, N/A 911.

3.0 L block, cams and springs from the outgoing 3.4, powder metal pistons. It would be simple.
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