Hate the 992??! OFFICIAL VENTING THREAD # Ultimate bashing allowed. Step in the ring.
#976
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14,000 + posts since November 2014 . . . lol do you even have a car or time to drive it? One thread . . . Seems like most 992 threads I open on here, whether the thread began positive, negative or just an inquiry, has you bashing the 992 in it.
Last edited by Doug H; 01-13-2019 at 04:10 AM.
#977
STG has one of the best threads on all of Rennlist and has done more for its members than you have.
Are you the 992 police? **** the 992. What are you gonna do?
#979
Race Director
Thread Starter
Overall it's nice we have a critical group that can objectively discuss and critique the new car or anything. How boring is it when there is no discussion about anything?? We supposed to just drool and open the checkbook when Porsche flashes a new car?? They've missed the mark on some things here and definitely nice hearing people's opinions and in-depth analysis.
#980
The proof is in the sales, and I do think some of the criticisms are well deserved because Porsche has been very different than other car brands keeping to its core. I’ve look at it over and over for a DD, but will see what the manual looks like as I would never buy it with that horrid gear lever. (I bet that changes in round two) They would have been better making that push button like Ferrari, Lambo, MAC if you want to look into the future.
Porsche really appealed to me with the 991 because I like the refreshing of the interior, and electronic parking break removing the center manual lever. Love the analogue 5 gauges which is Porsche to its core. I’ve purchased 5 Porsche’s since 2013, 991S, 2015 GT3, 2016 GT3 RS, 2016 Spyder, and now 2019 GT3 RS. The 992 rear blends with the Panamera so it’s a 2 door cousin to Panamera .......looks like Porsche is joining the Audi and BMW/Mercedes making the cars blend vs a one off design?? That’s my view, and my RS the keys will have to be ripped away from me as I don’t see the chapter of this book changing too much.
I do think Porsche will listen, and update where they can like that ugly gear lever which is a mess. But this is the risk with buying in the first round of a new design, and I will watch how it plays out not interested in a 2 door Panamera. Porsche will have to recognize at this price point many options exist .......my DD would have been a 992 4S, but at 150k makes you think about jumping into the deep end of the pool. Big fan of the brand, but not blinded by loyalty when the look has to grow on me.
Porsche really appealed to me with the 991 because I like the refreshing of the interior, and electronic parking break removing the center manual lever. Love the analogue 5 gauges which is Porsche to its core. I’ve purchased 5 Porsche’s since 2013, 991S, 2015 GT3, 2016 GT3 RS, 2016 Spyder, and now 2019 GT3 RS. The 992 rear blends with the Panamera so it’s a 2 door cousin to Panamera .......looks like Porsche is joining the Audi and BMW/Mercedes making the cars blend vs a one off design?? That’s my view, and my RS the keys will have to be ripped away from me as I don’t see the chapter of this book changing too much.
I do think Porsche will listen, and update where they can like that ugly gear lever which is a mess. But this is the risk with buying in the first round of a new design, and I will watch how it plays out not interested in a 2 door Panamera. Porsche will have to recognize at this price point many options exist .......my DD would have been a 992 4S, but at 150k makes you think about jumping into the deep end of the pool. Big fan of the brand, but not blinded by loyalty when the look has to grow on me.
#981
The problem with basing the 992’s “ success “ on sales figures lies in the fact that while they may be selling more cars they are simultaneously losing their real enthusiast base and the passion and excitement that goes with them.
That passion and excitement is the only reason why Porsche was successful in the first place.
Trading real enthusiasts for the fickle mainstream consumer who’s impulsive purchase motivations often change with the wind is a dangerous game that often ends with completely watered down product lines that eventually fall into anonymity.
Almost every other top manufacture has fallen into that pit ( BMW is the #1 offender ) and I guess I’m angry because I always considered Porsche to be above this.
That passion and excitement is the only reason why Porsche was successful in the first place.
Trading real enthusiasts for the fickle mainstream consumer who’s impulsive purchase motivations often change with the wind is a dangerous game that often ends with completely watered down product lines that eventually fall into anonymity.
Almost every other top manufacture has fallen into that pit ( BMW is the #1 offender ) and I guess I’m angry because I always considered Porsche to be above this.
#982
For me, of all the design flaws and shortcomings of this version the gear “nub” is the worst offender. I do like to shift “manually” using the PDK gear shift ... obviously not possible with this new version. I know that there’s a true manual coming... but I’d rather keep it PDK .
#983
The problem with basing the 992’s “ success “ on sales figures lies in the fact that while they may be selling more cars they are also losing their real enthusiast base and the passion and excitement that goes with them.
That passion and excitement is the only reason why Porsche was successful in the first place.
Trading real enthusiasts for the fickle mainstream consumer who’s impulsive purchase motivations often change with the wind is a dangerous game that often ends with completely watered down product lines that eventually fall into anonymity.
That passion and excitement is the only reason why Porsche was successful in the first place.
Trading real enthusiasts for the fickle mainstream consumer who’s impulsive purchase motivations often change with the wind is a dangerous game that often ends with completely watered down product lines that eventually fall into anonymity.
#985
There are very many nouveau riches in the world who will likely be 992 buyers and who know nothing about the marque's history and heritage and couldn't care less.
#986
Race Director
Thread Starter
There are many products, cars, and brands that are top sellers in their categories. Just because they have mass sales appeal doesn't make them the "best" product out there.
Sales aren't the only measure of desirability to many including myself.
For the 911 to sell "more cars" it must cast a wider net and appeal to a wider audience. If that's the only measure of success it may do that. The only thing that will hurt Porsche is it's overly aggressive price increases that will hurt them as many economies cool off.
Like mentioned earlier, who's gonna pay $150K for a 4S daily driver??
Sales aren't the only measure of desirability to many including myself.
For the 911 to sell "more cars" it must cast a wider net and appeal to a wider audience. If that's the only measure of success it may do that. The only thing that will hurt Porsche is it's overly aggressive price increases that will hurt them as many economies cool off.
Like mentioned earlier, who's gonna pay $150K for a 4S daily driver??
#987
#988
Race Director
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by rick brooklyn
The same people who pay that much money for 8 series and S-classes...
Most want back seats and 4 doors. It's a narrow market regardless. Better to try and target the enthusiasts.
#989
Rennlist Member
Company car allowances and companies leasing cars and writing off....is keeping Porsche in business....at these prices....a Panamera can cost over 200k as can a Cayenne Turbo S....and CEOs of companies don't want the standard cars..their EGOS go for the loaded models..