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Hate the 992??! OFFICIAL VENTING THREAD # Ultimate bashing allowed. Step in the ring.

 
Old 01-13-2019, 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by STG View Post
It's ONE thread and some discussion. Who cares?? Don't like don't click

First was wait for final product, will look better than mules, now must see in the flesh?? What next, must buy it to appreciate??
14,000 + posts since November 2014 . . . lol do you even have a car or time to drive it? One thread . . . Seems like most 992 threads I open on here, whether the thread began positive, negative or just an inquiry, has you bashing the 992 in it.

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Old 01-13-2019, 05:35 AM
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14,000 + posts since November 2014 . . . lol do you even have a car or time to drive it? One thread . . . Seems like most 992 threads I open on here, whether the thread began positive, negative or just an inquiry, has you bashing the 992 in it.
Its public forum. Stop whining you damn cry baby.

STG has one of the best threads on all of Rennlist and has done more for its members than you have.

Are you the 992 police? **** the 992. What are you gonna do?
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Old 01-13-2019, 12:14 PM
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Old 01-13-2019, 12:24 PM
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Overall it's nice we have a critical group that can objectively discuss and critique the new car or anything. How boring is it when there is no discussion about anything?? We supposed to just drool and open the checkbook when Porsche flashes a new car?? They've missed the mark on some things here and definitely nice hearing people's opinions and in-depth analysis.
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Old 01-13-2019, 12:47 PM
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The proof is in the sales, and I do think some of the criticisms are well deserved because Porsche has been very different than other car brands keeping to its core. I’ve look at it over and over for a DD, but will see what the manual looks like as I would never buy it with that horrid gear lever. (I bet that changes in round two) They would have been better making that push button like Ferrari, Lambo, MAC if you want to look into the future.

Porsche really appealed to me with the 991 because I like the refreshing of the interior, and electronic parking break removing the center manual lever. Love the analogue 5 gauges which is Porsche to its core. I’ve purchased 5 Porsche’s since 2013, 991S, 2015 GT3, 2016 GT3 RS, 2016 Spyder, and now 2019 GT3 RS. The 992 rear blends with the Panamera so it’s a 2 door cousin to Panamera .......looks like Porsche is joining the Audi and BMW/Mercedes making the cars blend vs a one off design?? That’s my view, and my RS the keys will have to be ripped away from me as I don’t see the chapter of this book changing too much.







I do think Porsche will listen, and update where they can like that ugly gear lever which is a mess. But this is the risk with buying in the first round of a new design, and I will watch how it plays out not interested in a 2 door Panamera. Porsche will have to recognize at this price point many options exist .......my DD would have been a 992 4S, but at 150k makes you think about jumping into the deep end of the pool. Big fan of the brand, but not blinded by loyalty when the look has to grow on me.
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Old 01-13-2019, 12:58 PM
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The problem with basing the 992’s “ success “ on sales figures lies in the fact that while they may be selling more cars they are simultaneously losing their real enthusiast base and the passion and excitement that goes with them.

That passion and excitement is the only reason why Porsche was successful in the first place.

Trading real enthusiasts for the fickle mainstream consumer who’s impulsive purchase motivations often change with the wind is a dangerous game that often ends with completely watered down product lines that eventually fall into anonymity.

Almost every other top manufacture has fallen into that pit ( BMW is the #1 offender ) and I guess I’m angry because I always considered Porsche to be above this.
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Old 01-13-2019, 01:01 PM
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For me, of all the design flaws and shortcomings of this version the gear “nub” is the worst offender. I do like to shift “manually” using the PDK gear shift ... obviously not possible with this new version. I know that there’s a true manual coming... but I’d rather keep it PDK .
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Old 01-13-2019, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by limegreen View Post
The problem with basing the 992’s “ success “ on sales figures lies in the fact that while they may be selling more cars they are also losing their real enthusiast base and the passion and excitement that goes with them.

That passion and excitement is the only reason why Porsche was successful in the first place.

Trading real enthusiasts for the fickle mainstream consumer who’s impulsive purchase motivations often change with the wind is a dangerous game that often ends with completely watered down product lines that eventually fall into anonymity.
Agree, but very different from other brands because the 992’s are all 100k plus cars, and it’s a small segment that supports this brand so sales will be a key indicator. Will see how it plays out for sure ........I have lots of time to watch as I will not be buy a 2 door Panamera, but I would just get the turbo Panamera which is kick as fast and has 2 more usable seats. (:
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Old 01-13-2019, 01:19 PM
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Amazing how accurate this early "leak" picture was. Third brake light also very close to what we'd see.

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Old 01-13-2019, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by limegreen View Post
The problem with basing the 992’s “ success “ on sales figures lies in the fact that while they may be selling more cars they are simultaneously losing their real enthusiast base and the passion and excitement that goes with them.
yeah with all due respect sales mean nothing. All you 996 haters surely know the 996 sold like hit cakes, that doesn't make you hate it any less, does it?

There are very many nouveau riches in the world who will likely be 992 buyers and who know nothing about the marque's history and heritage and couldn't care less.
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Old 01-13-2019, 03:09 PM
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There are many products, cars, and brands that are top sellers in their categories. Just because they have mass sales appeal doesn't make them the "best" product out there.

Sales aren't the only measure of desirability to many including myself.

For the 911 to sell "more cars" it must cast a wider net and appeal to a wider audience. If that's the only measure of success it may do that. The only thing that will hurt Porsche is it's overly aggressive price increases that will hurt them as many economies cool off.

Like mentioned earlier, who's gonna pay $150K for a 4S daily driver??
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Old 01-13-2019, 03:47 PM
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Like mentioned earlier, who's gonna pay $150K for a 4S daily driver??
The same people who pay that much money for 8 series and S-classes...
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Old 01-13-2019, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by rick brooklyn
The same people who pay that much money for 8 series and S-classes...

Most want back seats and 4 doors. It's a narrow market regardless. Better to try and target the enthusiasts.
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Old 01-13-2019, 04:12 PM
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Company car allowances and companies leasing cars and writing off....is keeping Porsche in business....at these prices....a Panamera can cost over 200k as can a Cayenne Turbo S....and CEOs of companies don't want the standard cars..their EGOS go for the loaded models..
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Would agree leasing is a HUGE part of their sales.
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