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Old 11-05-2018, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by rick brooklyn View Post
because many of them do, just look at the other threads. People high fiving each other over "better tech" and " newer is always better" and "the shaver shifter will be cool once they're all like that".

They'll look at some dumb nurburgring time that's two or three seconds lower and they'll say "see, it's a better car", oblivious to all pieces of nonsense. Just look at how pumped up people are about hybrid versions coming up.
Or the people who slap 'Zero Emissions' stickers on their Teslas, ignorant to the fact that their car is powered by coal.
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Old 11-05-2018, 12:46 PM
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Or the people who slap 'Zero Emissions' stickers on their Teslas, ignorant to the fact that their car is powered by coal.
Saw one of these the other day,....talk about kool-aid drinkers. You still have to smelt the steel/aluminum, plastics created (oil), rape the earth for lithium, on and on. Not bagging the brand, just the really stupid aspect that these cars are Zero Emissions.
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Old 11-05-2018, 05:36 PM
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Saw one of these the other day,....talk about kool-aid drinkers. You still have to smelt the steel/aluminum, plastics created (oil), rape the earth for lithium, on and on. Not bagging the brand, just the really stupid aspect that these cars are Zero Emissions.
Whatever you guys do , stay out of the Taycan forum with this truth talk..... Some of the members posting in that forum are of course current EV drivers and as a result exude off the chart levels of self righteousness!
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Old 11-05-2018, 05:39 PM
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The only thing that would make that entire situation sweeter would be if others from Porsche came forward and supported his comments.
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Old 11-05-2018, 06:23 PM
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Whatever you guys do , stay out of the Taycan forum with this truth talk..... Some of the members posting in that forum are of course current EV drivers and as a result exude off the chart levels of self righteousness!
That's what makes it fun to troll them
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Old 11-05-2018, 06:32 PM
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Ignorant politicians pushed the agenda of diesel technology forward in Europe a couple of decades ago, choosing to ignore that Diesel engines release very harmful particles and NOx. Now they push the EV agenda forward turning a blind eye to the environmental damage that producing and disposing of the batteries represents, and ignoring the fact that even if the car doesn’t release CO2 to the atmosphere while operating, the generation of the electricity on which it runs does.
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Ignorant politicians pushed the agenda of diesel technology forward in Europe a couple of decades ago, choosing to ignore that Diesel engines release very harmful particles and NOx. Now they push the EV agenda forward turning a blind eye to the environmental damage that producing and disposing of the batteries represents, and ignoring the fact that even if the car doesn’t release CO2 to the atmosphere while operating, the generation of the electricity on which it runs does.
In addition, Li-ion batteries only get about 500 C/D cycles anyway. After that, the range of your electric car goes off a cliff.
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Old 11-05-2018, 07:58 PM
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An old top gear episode comes to mind as well. A Prius at race pace (!) on a track did 17 mpg and a M3 V8 trailing it did 19.
It's a lot of how you drive, not always what. The carbon foot print of an economically viable electric car has great potential to be quite worse compared to a gas powered.
I have (possibly futile) hope that the recent developments in CO2 conversion will let us keep burning gas a little longer.
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Originally Posted by John Mclane View Post
An old top gear episode comes to mind as well. A Prius at race pace (!) on a track did 17 mpg and a M3 V8 trailing it did 19.
It's a lot of how you drive, not always what. The carbon foot print of an economically viable electric car has great potential to be quite worse compared to a gas powered.
I have (possibly futile) hope that the recent developments in CO2 conversion will let us keep burning gas a little longer.

Oh not just the carbon footprint. Lithium. Mining it is horrifically toxic to the environment, far worse than turning raw bauxite into aluminum.

In some places, EVs make a lot of sense, but in others they're worse than gas. That doesn't matter to the average person nowadays; they have 'Zero Emissions' stamped into their minds, oblivious to the whole picture.
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Old 11-05-2018, 09:52 PM
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The push towards EV is yet another misguided and stupid band aid fix that seeks to treat the symptom with half baked technology rather than fix the problem. In time, I feel it will fall flat on it's face but before it does that , the untold damage inflicted on the industry will be immeasurable. The EV mission right now is to choke out internal combustion engines in a witch hunt that seeks to rid the world of them by over regulation.

Starting next year Porsche and likely everyone else shortly afterwards will begin adding particulate filters to all their Direct Injected gasoline cars. It turns out the hugely expensive and over complicated DI fuel systems aren't as clean as they originally thought and produce huge amounts of particulate matter ( the black soot you see around the tail pipes) so they have decided to solve that problem by adding yet more expensive and complex systems by utilizing expensive particulate filters (monitored by even more sensors) to clean them up..Just another reason why the 992 will be even more of an expensive throw away once the warranty expires. The over regulation that has taken hold has these manufactures jumping through hoops before they even land from the last jump and the loser in all of this will be the one holding the keys to a 2019+ model.....
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Old 11-05-2018, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by limegreen View Post
The push towards EV is yet another misguided and stupid band aid fix that seeks to treat the symptom with half baked technology rather than fix the problem. In time, I feel it will fall flat on it's face but before it does that , the untold damage inflicted on the industry will be immeasurable. The EV mission right now is to choke out internal combustion engines in a witch hunt that seeks to rid the world of them by over regulation.

Starting next year Porsche and likely everyone else shortly afterwards will begin adding particulate filters to all their Direct Injected gasoline cars. It turns out the hugely expensive and over complicated DI fuel systems aren't as clean as they originally thought and produce huge amounts of particulate matter ( the black soot you see around the tail pipes) so they have decided to solve that problem by adding yet more expensive and complex systems by utilizing expensive particulate filters (monitored by even more sensors) to clean them up..Just another reason why the 992 will be even more of an expensive throw away once the warranty expires. The over regulation that has taken hold has these manufactures jumping through hoops before they even land from the last jump and the loser in all of this will be the one holding the keys to a 2019+ model.....
I'm sure the particulate filters can be hacksawed out and the software patched. That being said, a recent BMW press release said the US wouldn't require them.
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Old 11-05-2018, 10:17 PM
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I'm with Walter...
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Old 11-05-2018, 10:19 PM
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Or the people who slap 'Zero Emissions' stickers on their Teslas, ignorant to the fact that their car is powered by coal.
Lots of retards out there.
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Old 11-06-2018, 11:14 AM
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Looking at the new Cayenne, in the past any Porsche design was very unique and didn't resemble or be easily mistaken for another brand.

Take the badges off here, and could be a Volvo, Lincoln, or (insert the brand here).

Am I right??

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