992 Carrera T
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And the 4.0L NA 9A2 Evo motor without the torque restriction of the Boxster/Cayman manual gearbox (309 ft-lbs) would result in more peak torque (~340 ft-lbs) than the last base Carrera with the 3.0 turbo motor (331 ft-lbs)...
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This was found in the base Carrera just a few years ago...
And the 4.0L NA 9A2 Evo motor without the torque restriction of the Boxster/Cayman manual gearbox (309 ft-lbs) would result in more peak torque (~340 ft-lbs) than the last base Carrera with the 3.0 turbo motor (331 ft-lbs)...
And the 4.0L NA 9A2 Evo motor without the torque restriction of the Boxster/Cayman manual gearbox (309 ft-lbs) would result in more peak torque (~340 ft-lbs) than the last base Carrera with the 3.0 turbo motor (331 ft-lbs)...
That was it. And even the 991.1 was a 7 speed?
So today - if you want NA motor and 6 speed you need to pony up for a GT car. My point is Im not holding my breath for porsche to bring that NA motor & 6 speed manual formula back to the base or non-GT cars. I hope they do, but not so sure we’ll see it. Hopefully I am wrong.
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Right but you cant get it post the 991.1.
That was it. And even the 991.1 was a 7 speed?
So today - if you want NA motor and 6 speed you need to pony up for a GT car. My point is Im not holding my breath for porsche to bring that NA motor & 6 speed manual formula back to the base or non-GT cars. I hope they do, but not so sure we’ll see it. Hopefully I am wrong.
That was it. And even the 991.1 was a 7 speed?
So today - if you want NA motor and 6 speed you need to pony up for a GT car. My point is Im not holding my breath for porsche to bring that NA motor & 6 speed manual formula back to the base or non-GT cars. I hope they do, but not so sure we’ll see it. Hopefully I am wrong.
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More thoughts on the 992 Carrera T and 9A2evo.
So far the reviews about the 718 models with 9A2evo + 6 speed manual they make the same remark... gears are too long!
Question is:
I have not driven the 7-MT, is the feeling similar?
or in the 7-speed manual the initial gears also feel "too long" ?
Is confirmed that the upcoming manual base 992 Carrera will be a 7 speed MT.
a 7 speed shifting pattern for me does not seem "natural" as a 5 or 6 speed, but then again I have not driven it, I just wonder if this can be a better match for the 9A2evo ?
It is highly likely that the future 992.x Carrera T will keep the same transmission and same engine as the base Carrera + driver focused goodies from the "S" model + optional delete items. Which is the same strategy as in the 991 and 982(718)
Now also very important to keep in mind:
Engine selection in the Porsche range is not only based on hp+Tq is also based on CO2 emissions.
Base models MUST have lower CO2 emissions to keep them on the "base" or lower road-tax and emission tax. ( make them a bit more affordable in the EU markets )
The 9A2evo engine is already on a higher emission level (CO2) than the current 992 Carrera S engine... which means that it will be highly unlikely to be in the Base 992 Carrera, therefore highly unlikely to be in a future Carrera T. (PDK improves the CO2 by around 20gr/km)
Probably in a "special edition" of the 992.x we will see the 9A2evo to make an appearance. I cannot think of a specific model, It cannot be a "R" , it cannot be a "GTS", it cannot be a "T" ... options?
Or it will just remain for the 982 ? and 5th gen Boxster/Cayman. ?
TL;DR: My thoughts are 992 Carrera T will not have the 9A2evo due to emissions bracket in the EU countries
So far the reviews about the 718 models with 9A2evo + 6 speed manual they make the same remark... gears are too long!
Question is:
I have not driven the 7-MT, is the feeling similar?
or in the 7-speed manual the initial gears also feel "too long" ?
Is confirmed that the upcoming manual base 992 Carrera will be a 7 speed MT.
a 7 speed shifting pattern for me does not seem "natural" as a 5 or 6 speed, but then again I have not driven it, I just wonder if this can be a better match for the 9A2evo ?
It is highly likely that the future 992.x Carrera T will keep the same transmission and same engine as the base Carrera + driver focused goodies from the "S" model + optional delete items. Which is the same strategy as in the 991 and 982(718)
Now also very important to keep in mind:
Engine selection in the Porsche range is not only based on hp+Tq is also based on CO2 emissions.
Base models MUST have lower CO2 emissions to keep them on the "base" or lower road-tax and emission tax. ( make them a bit more affordable in the EU markets )
The 9A2evo engine is already on a higher emission level (CO2) than the current 992 Carrera S engine... which means that it will be highly unlikely to be in the Base 992 Carrera, therefore highly unlikely to be in a future Carrera T. (PDK improves the CO2 by around 20gr/km)
Probably in a "special edition" of the 992.x we will see the 9A2evo to make an appearance. I cannot think of a specific model, It cannot be a "R" , it cannot be a "GTS", it cannot be a "T" ... options?
Or it will just remain for the 982 ? and 5th gen Boxster/Cayman. ?
TL;DR: My thoughts are 992 Carrera T will not have the 9A2evo due to emissions bracket in the EU countries
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If the 992 Carrera T does in fact get the 9A2evo, I know what my next car will be. Hands down.
A 7 speed shouldn't have the same gearing issues, I'd imagine.
Interestingly, via at least one review I watched, it was insinuated that the 9A2evo doesn't sound as raucous as the 9A1 (not sure if anyone's heard the same or heard different?) but even if that were true, it's a 4.0 N/A flat six that revs to 8K, i.e will sound better than about anything else on the road, and especially once a freer flowing exhaust is put on it, will relentlessly send tingles down your spine.
A 7 speed shouldn't have the same gearing issues, I'd imagine.
Interestingly, via at least one review I watched, it was insinuated that the 9A2evo doesn't sound as raucous as the 9A1 (not sure if anyone's heard the same or heard different?) but even if that were true, it's a 4.0 N/A flat six that revs to 8K, i.e will sound better than about anything else on the road, and especially once a freer flowing exhaust is put on it, will relentlessly send tingles down your spine.
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Interestingly, via at least one review I watched, it was insinuated that the 9A2evo doesn't sound as raucous as the 9A1 (not sure if anyone's heard the same or heard different?) but even if that were true, it's a 4.0 N/A flat six that revs to 8K, i.e will sound better than about anything else on the road, and especially once a freer flowing exhaust is put on it, will relentlessly send tingles down your spine.
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Well, different engine and the 9A2evo has to deal with the particulate filters. That being said, check out Carfection's time at Knockhill in the GT4. Tell me that car doesn't sound amazing. I dare you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skYatVjFTlY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skYatVjFTlY
Even with the filters, you can hear how incredible it sounds on camera. Imagine in person....
I want that engine, BAD. It's EXACTLY what I've been asking Porsche for. A 4.0 N/A, less strung out than a GT3 engine, perfection. I salivate at the thought of it making it into 911's.
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Fingers crossed we get the 4.0 nasp back.
In the meantime- Im thoroughly enjoying the sound of my 991.2 T
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUWu...ature=youtu.be
In the meantime- Im thoroughly enjoying the sound of my 991.2 T
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUWu...ature=youtu.be
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Holy sh*****tttttt. Yeah, as I expected, it sounds orgasmic.
Even with the filters, you can hear how incredible it sounds on camera. Imagine in person....
I want that engine, BAD. It's EXACTLY what I've been asking Porsche for. A 4.0 N/A, less strung out than a GT3 engine, perfection. I salivate at the thought of it making it into 911's.
Even with the filters, you can hear how incredible it sounds on camera. Imagine in person....
I want that engine, BAD. It's EXACTLY what I've been asking Porsche for. A 4.0 N/A, less strung out than a GT3 engine, perfection. I salivate at the thought of it making it into 911's.
Get rid of the built-in Braun razorblade and add the 9A2 evo and you might be able to salvage the 992.
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Not sure if there is any basis to this rumor, but read a few posts on social media regarding 'porsche execs have stated there may NOT be a 992 Carrera T' - this was on the heels on car week in Monterey.
Conflicts with previous reports of porsche execs saying yes to a 992 Carrera T.
Conflicts with previous reports of porsche execs saying yes to a 992 Carrera T.
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I'd just go out and buy the 718 GT4 and can't really see the point of the "992 T" - particularly if it follows the last model based on the base Carrera. As it currently stands the GT4 is looking like a bargain in the Porsche line up. 420HP, NA motor, lighter than the 992 Carrera by a decent margin (around 90kg ~ 200lbs), well braked, LWBS etc etc. Also the price difference where I live for sensible spec is 50k.
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This is true, but how a car sounds is very relevant to the overall driving experience- at least in my humble opinion. For me the sound of the engine and exhaust is important. Part of the reason Im not a big fan if the driving “experience” in a tesla - there is no sound!
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.roa...et-gt4-engine/
Sounds like the 4.0 in the 718 will not find its way to the 911. The only NASP 911 will be the GT3 according to this ^^^
Do we think we even see a 992 T?
Sounds like the 4.0 in the 718 will not find its way to the 911. The only NASP 911 will be the GT3 according to this ^^^
Do we think we even see a 992 T?
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Some more speculation on the 992 T
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...al-specs-cost/
no base model manuals, but if they make a 992 T - is it a “base model”
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...al-specs-cost/
no base model manuals, but if they make a 992 T - is it a “base model”