992 Interior Spy Shots
 

expect the 992 GT3 to look the same....

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...rsche-911.html

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Oh man. I hope the GT3 doesnt go in that direction. Not a huge fan of how it looks. Not sure if i would buy a regular 911 if it comes out like that.

That cup holder is atrocious.

I'm Not a fan of what I see in those pics. The center console seems to have double tiers with that ledge separating the screen and the switches. The concave area around cup holder will absolutely collect spilled coffee/dust/coins..
The 911 signia in that area is unnecessary and out of touch with Porsche pedigree. The 911 needs no badges in the cabin other than the crest on the steering wheel and maybe head rests in my opinion.
Not a fan of what looks like toggle switch gimmickry that everyone seems to be trying to implement these days ala Aventador.

Not a hater. I am a sincere 911 fan. Just concerned. I'm apprehensive about the future of the 911 in general with technological trends these days seeming to transition towards an electrical and software revolution.
How will the driving experience change?

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...2a9d40759b.jpg


look close, only the center gauge is real and it's overdressed with the extended ring

the piece 'laying' on the steering column is poorly trimmed and not even mounted
top representing the 2 gauges
is nothing more than printed chipboard

Maybe they at least have a push button start.

Someone replaced the shifter with a tiny vintage electric shaver, very cool Porsche.

that shifter is just one more reason to get a manual transmission

Hopefully they are leaking these to get some feedback.

I know journalists have criticized the sea-of-identical-sized-buttons look started with the first Panamera, but going with fake toggles...especially coming from different angles in different shapes/colors/textures...is certainly not the answer. And IMO they seem to be carrying over the worst ergonomic aspect of the 991...climate controls pointing at the sky. The shelf is reminiscent of something from a mainstream Japanese crossover.

My Raptor has the same auxiliary switches.

992 will be a fantastic car and all of you above will want a GT3

Natural evolution....not exactly for the purists.....not a fan

Do you really think your feedback matters? We got the water cooled engines, e-brake, electric steering, turbos, and now a digital gauge cluster despite a cluster of moaning.........and Porsche is doing just fine.

That is what everyone said about the current cup holder. Porsche did take this feedback and changed the cup holder and now you don't like it? :)

Fugly

What, you mean this? :D

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That better just be a place holder.

^ i like it. for once, i MIGHT not need 15 band aid and 10mg of anitbiotics when i shave in the morning.

I see they partnered with Braun for the shifter design:

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...42be7dfe0.jpeg

There is absolutely no way that shift lever goes into production.

If so, there's officially no reason not to get a manual unless it isn't offered.

But I'll hold overall judgment until it's actually unveiled and finished. Most likely it'll be just like the current generation Panamera with a few 911 specific trinkets/features.

Also, I feel like the center tachometer looks a bit odd. I've sat in the new Panamera multiple times and simply feel like it's a bit small/odd shaped.

Guys,
Its fairly obvious that like the 991, the 992 will unfortunately incorporate 90% of the interior aesthetic of the panamera in the front cabin.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...31382e7ec0.jpg
I'm happy that the 992 will lose the huge center console with all those empty button slots, on the fence about the new cupholders, really unhappy with the electric razor knob gearchanger that looks just like any other BMW or Mercedes, and mostly unhappy that 4/5 gauges will be digital, but happy they will keep an analog tachometer, thank god.

I was already planning on keeping my 991.2 GT3 for a dozen years so I’m glad I won't need to spend time in a 992 cabin!

looks like an Lincoln interior. I don't care I'm on the list for 30 over. gurgle

Those Silver dip switches look like the ones they put on the Audi A3, A4

I kinda like it, but the cup holder needs to go. At a minimum make the cup holder optional.

991s Buy'em up now!

Looks like they will be even bigger, electric and more technical. Maybe mid-engine too..........

This should make sweating over interior CXX options a lot easier in the future... there's no way to make that pretty.

Looks kind of cool and open, I like it! Besides that hideous classic "PRNDL" type thing... I wish Porsche would just go the way of Ferrari or McLaren in this case and put buttons, OR, make an option for a tall sequential style bump-shift for those that like to cruise in manual mode without paddles from time to time. Would look much cooler and be way more intuitive than the electric razor.

Oh dear lord that's an fugly center console, looks very BMWish to me that was hit with the ugly stick.

I needed the drinking package while waiting for my allocation.

Well, guess I'll be sticking with the 991 platform for a while longer lol. That really doesn't inspire any sports car interior feelings from me so to speak. Maybe Ill be interested in the hybrid for a dd?

Apparently you've never been part of an automotive focus group. Yes, they care. And, yes, they monitor these forums...for more than ****s and giggles.

Looks cheap.

No question they monitor and listen but this looks too far along to expect much change. I don't have a problem with the gauge cluster since they appear to be keeping the analog tach, but the center console is going further down a track that many of us wish they'd abandon. I suspect this is driven by the perceived need to keep up with competitors and VAG's part-sharing protocol, which is too bad because there's a lot to be said for remaining stubbornly iconic. Personally, I don't want the interior of my 911 it look like every other car out there.

I like this quote from Autoblog's Jeep Wrangler review:

"There's just something that feels right about a vehicle designed with purity of purpose. Leave the one-size-fits-all approach to the midsize crossover; stop attempting to be all things to all people like the midsize sedan"
https://www.autoblog.com/2017/12/13/...-review-24680/

Maybe someday they'll give us a GT3 Cup-inspired interior in the RS that many of us long for but I'm not holding my breath.

Perfect for those with tiny hands. Scroll wheel on top for drive mode.

Perhaps was the result of a presidential request?

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...d7ac6c0d57.jpg

Going to need Super Big Gulp sized cup holder.

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992 Gear selector reminds me of this

I was just going to say that, the gear selector is nothing new, comes directly from 918.

The 992 will be introduced in just a few months, nothing in that interior is provisional.

Funny you should mention that.

I just came back from one for Porsche GT cars.

Do explain :)

Ipse... You can't open that can and just leave it there...

Next thread:How will the 992 interior affect the value of my .2GT3.

Been going to these for a few years, One was held here in Sf about 2 week's ago again.

they ask you all sorts of hypothetical marketing sort of questions.. I went to one last year where they asked me to show them a picture of my ideal Porsche SUV... I showed them a picture of the Gran Turismo concept car from a few years ago and VOILA!!!! It appears in production this year.

Coincidence?... I don't think so.

:evilgrin: :icon107:

Not a fan, I really enjoyed the simplicity of the 997 interior for the 911 interior, and the 991 is very nice as well, although a bit more luxurious. Both of those are nice, but glad I wont want to purchase a 992, just based on the interior alone.

The 911 will continue the march upmarket - these interior changes are meant to recruit Aston/Benz/Jag segment buyers. More BHP, more torques, more upscale branding etc.

The issue is- Porsche people, as a core- like
Porsches to be Porschy. Not to be Jag/Aston/Benz derivative. Sure there are conquest buyers but they are curious about our Koolaid, and once they smash the brakes and go through a corner..."oh now I get it"

The worst part of the 918 interior is the mini lever. Hated that.

The interior of all cars is converging on virtual cockpits and TFT/LED stuff not luddite fodder. We have to deal with it, or pull the chute and start snapping up 997's.

997 interior is too much. The PCM is ugly. The interior from 1964-1998 was basically the same and other than the fact that the steering wheel is too far forward for tall people and there is no spot for your left foot (at least on cab/targa) it is perfect.

I mean, I just don’t get new car interirors at all. All the stuff will look very dated, very quickly. If you want a screen, fine, but why make a screen that looks like gauges as opposed to gauges? Cost? The only ones I actually like are ones that are very simple. Something like a screen right in front of the driver and that’s it. Or basic gauges and a screen for radio. Of course that won’t control the four zone climate control, super duper 28 speaker stereo, and won’t have buttons for the heated/cooled/massage seats. I have never wanted more than is in my 993 (or my defenders or lotus are even simpler). Simple is good. It does not break, you don’t need the owners manual to understand it, and the purity of form is timeless. I will also say I think Toyota did a great job with the Tacoma. Gauges, a fairly basic screen and, depending on the trim level, an MF display of varying sophistication between the two main gauges. Everyone who sees it or reviews it says it is boring, but it is functional and clean with basic knobs for HVAC (even if they are electric switches .... ugh).

Makes sense...as long as they keep on giving core clients (addicted to GT's) the right food! hopefully this could led to a more dedicated interior for track oriented versions as is the case for Ferrari.
Not a fan of TFT/LED personally...but think they make save some kilos compared to tradional instruments and related cables.

I think the design language will go towards the new Panamera interior styling

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...436a8c1c6.jpeg

:roflmao: Made my day!
-Dom

:)
That is a great location for the driver's cup holder, but some door pocket contours to fit a bottle of water would be great too

I'm going to reserve judgement until I see what CXX options I can get on a PDK-only 992.2 GT3RS Targa-4.

agree +1000 , the present cup hold rates a 3 for functionality to me and rates a 10 to spill all over all below ,

surprised many here not liking new location , great idea on water bottle slots in door for store and go

A cup holder should never be that prominent a feature in a 911.

On the other hand I'll finally have somewhere to put my phone.

^true ,just needs to match my leather optioned deviated stitching air vents

Looks like something from the '90s. Ugly

LOL gated shifter 😂

Totally agree re cupholder -ugh. I agree also it's good to lose all the unused button slots. The mini-shaver shifter is terrible; effete looking - a man should always have a good-size knob :D

From the official presentation video
 

I saw a short clip from the official presentation video and can testify the interior will look very modern and Panamera-like.
The gear-shift is similar to the Panamera and nothing like the one in the spy shots.
Very large central screen starting just under the central vents.
I see a movable cover in place of the exposed cup-older.
A lot of chrome accents and black glass-like surface on the horizontal surface around the gear shift.

More luxury GT than sports car.

Just my impression.

P. S.
Just noticed that it does not look designed to accommodate a manual gearshift ....

Maybe they will offer Manual on certain models moving forward like T and GT3. I like standard stick even in PDK, I love pulling it like a manual. Oh well, this is progress I guess.

Hmmmm...... we might be in trouble boys

I'm just gonna repost this interior spy shot from Autoblog to calm anyone down that thinks a manual option is going away (original link: https://www.autoblog.com/2018/02/23/...992-spy-shots/). Again, these appear to be legit, rather than some sort of render. It's also worth noting that the central infotainment screen appears above, not below, the hvac vents, which is at odds with cebe's observations. Placing the vents above the infotainment screen would also be at odds with the interior layouts of all other new and upcoming Porsches, like the recently launched Cayenne, Panamera, and upcoming facelifted 2019/2020 Macan (legit interior spy shots of that are online too). Make of that what you will.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...6f26422346.png

Thanks for the pic.

While we all are fixated on the transmission. Look below that. OMG...bigger Cup Holder. Finally!!!! Lol Big Holders is a Progress!!!!!!

Cup Holder!!!

They can just move it to a column shifter with a clutch by wire. Or just enhance that stupid sport/plus knob on the wheel to be the shifter while your foot passes in front of the infrared proximity sensor for the virtual clutch.

Sadly I'm being less than 50% sarcastic.

No cover for the cup holder that I’ve seen. But in a dream where I sat in one, said cup holder did feel flimsy (like it can be removed, but then it didn’t seem to be removable. Go figure)

There is a change but the manual isn’t disappearing. Feel free to block anyone who says so.

Looking at the prototype interior images...and I'm wondering how effective the center air vents can be when they are mounted so low?

IF this is the baseline of the new design I do like the shelf and switches underneath the center LCD screen, it draws at least some inspiration from the old air cooled interiors in that regard.

I really don't like the giant LCD screen for the cluster and PCM, just like the home entertainment TV's it mimics it will look outdated in a matter of months not years. This is supposed to be a drivers car Porsche , forget the frivolous eye candy and silly tech features.

I hate the larger center console and really am disappointed to see them heading even more in that direction. In a form follows function design why would a rear engine car with no transmission tunnel between the seats have such a huge center console?

Agreed, it looks like someone took the dash out of my '78 and added 21st century electronics to it. Don't hate it, though moving the knob/controls to the horizontal plane rather than vertical seems odd to me.

In the words of a service manager at BMW recently (during an airbag recall visit on an 05) , on their expansion of electronics and cost-cutting through plastic:
"We have really become a leasing company, versus an ownership company...you don't want to 'own' one of these after three or four years, they no longer last"...

Ugly Rear
 

I dont like the rear at all. It just looks very artificial to me. They ruined the best part of 911. The front and side looks a bit better but I doubt anyone will notice the difference.

This thing is looking like a dog's breakfast so far. Hopefully it turns out ok. 991 is portly and gadget-strewn enough.

It kind of looks like a beard trimmer.

Maybe it IS a beard trimmer. How's that for an unexpected option!

Found this on another forum...

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...3fa6b4eccc.jpg

That much of it looks pretty good to me. The dial that counts is still analog-y despite not having a cable running to a gear somewhere.

I think the car depicted in the display looks more like a 991 with flares than a shrink wrapped Panamera or a Macan. I like my 991 rear end more in any case.

Just noticed- it that an icon in the display for a Sport Exhaust? Will such stuff be touch sensitive?

Can someone zoom in on the display screen of the 992 in that interior pic? Looks like the finished product (992), I know our new Panamera has a accurate image of the actual car.

Thank you Butts, I still see the big block 3rd brake light.

very bizarre shifter... looks like something BMW would do.

my concern is when you put down your coffee cup, it engages the parking brake... maybe germans do not use cups w/ handles?

Center Console cupholder in a 911 - life will never be the same.

I want those red buttons there. I am like Homer Simpson when it comes to large red buttons. I have to punch it.

I wonder what those prototype red buttons do - ejector seats? lol

For the next T, they could combine the key and the shift nub dongle and claim it saves unsprung weight.

I do hope they come up with a cell phone mount option for the beer bottle holder hole thing.

One is likely engine (ignition / battery / alternator / fuel pump), the one with an F is likely a fire extinguishing system (fire in German is Feuer, so the letter would still apply). Don't know what the third is. One appears to say DME; perhaps it switches fuel maps but I don't know why it would be important enough to be red.

Such buttons are fairly standard in prototypes these days (and of course required in professional race cars).

To get those buttons from the factory you usually need to get a Cup Car or an RSR..

That would be sprung weight. Unless you normally tape your key to the brake rotor. :p Sprung weight is exactly that: the parts of the car that are suspended by the suspension (which is of course, most of the car).

Quite like the steering wheel design. For what it's worth... ��

Source: autohome.com.cn

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^^ nice find :thumbup:

Well since my current GTS got totaled on WED I will be purchasing a 991.2 with PDK so I get to have a shifter for a few more years. If that ridiculous shaver is there in the 992, I will be going back to a manual tranny when I get ready to buy the 992. The members of my PCA club who use PDK all concur that they routinely use the shifter to select gear changes besides the paddles like when holding a coffee or eating something and you cannot get to the paddles like in a big turn, etc. There are numerous reasons to shift gears with the shifter. This is 100% unsat. If you don't agree then you are in the minority because of 100% of our local PCA club is in agreement with me. Come on PCNA listen to your customers. We don't care for the little nebula shaver knob. Porsche is taking out the character that makes the 911 a "Driver's Car".
:cheers:

:to_order:

Looks like changes include a new (?) WET driving mode and no sport response button.

What is the control unit under the left spoke of the steering wheel? The second photo I think shows the passenger side pop-out cup holder.

Cruise control buttons.

The third photo in the PCM shows the final version of the rear end of the 992.

Yup. Thought same thing :)

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Interesting...it appears that the console dash (around the shaver gear) has lots of fingerprints on it. I assume they will have touch leds or something on the center console. I am assuming b/c of the all the space shown in the daylight pictures of the console.

But I want the red button

Like it or not, the elimination of the center-console shifter is not new to the supercar world. Take a look at Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren and others...all have gone to paddle-shifter only shifting.

One downside to these giant infotainment screens is that it's going to be real tough to put an aftermarket radio in one of these cars. You know, if you're into that sort of thing. Hopefully the stock unit isn't anything like my 981's base stereo before I yanked that thing out of the car.

I think the interior is in the right direction. 911 does need some supercar-ish update in interior as well. Only problem is the hideous cup-holder but I bet it will be a heck more convenient.

Supercar?! So far it looks like they're just throwing in a bunch of recycled SUV parts.

Funny, but true ..

Haha at least it looks pretty modern. Touchscreen and etc is where all cars are going and 911 is no exception.

I don't love it but I think it's needed.

Am I the only person who's noticed the return of the umbrella cubby on the passenger side door sill? As silly as may be, I really missed it in the '14-'19 cars.

Good catch! I had it on my '12 and '13 991S's.

So now I have no cubby hole for my Porsche umbrella in my '18 911GTS hahaha - the only reason I bought it was I thought "I have to fill that hole!" when I got my first 991 a while back! :roflmao:

https://www.suncoastparts.com/mm5/gr...bo%20large.jpg

Nice to see it return for the 992! :cheers:

To me the interior and exterior now both look confused - the interior looks like Porsche meets Audi meets BMW and the exterior (when the tape comes off) looks very messy - both front and rear.

Perhaps it will present better in the flesh.

Nice find. I was a bit sad when I found out that the 991.2 didn't have a spot for an umbrella.

What they should include is a cubby with a micro fiber towel for wiping the greasy finger prints off that absurd glass center console switch center surrounding that electric razor shifter that floats on an island over that ridiculous trough that will be filled with every particle of dust , crumbs, spilled liquids, a lost earring back, gum wrapper and a few loose coins....

Meh, from what I've experienced from the Panamera, my feelings on the functionality of the interior are decidedly mixed.

I've had three Panamera loaners for a total of almost 10 days (two P-Cars, and one repair on the Cayenne was a week long). So I have about as good of an experience in them as you could unless you owned one. In addition, I've read the manuals and spent time customizing the displays how I would do so, since there is a decent chance we'll end up getting a Cayenne which has the same interior (minus the stupid power operated vent, thank GOD).

I find the displays to be extremely crisp. Good black levels, good resolution. does not become super distracting at night (I've heard that Audi's Virtual Cockpit is very bright). The map is extremely well-rendered and detailed. There is a very strong level of customization of the main diasplay. It's somewhat Android like in that you have different layouts and widgets that you can put inside of them. The touch panel around the shifter is pretty easy to use without taking your eyes off the road. The haptic feedback it provides helps. And the toggles for the temp and fan speed are easy to find.

That's the good news. Now the bad news.

The black panel gets to be a mess with fingerprints. Really fast.

The main display, despite having like 5 different layouts plus widgets, doesn't have great organization of those layouts / widgets. For instance, if you want to see the map plus other stuff, there's NO PLACE to display radio presets. I mean, really? And there is still no way to scroll through presets using the wheel. The only way to display radio presets is to take up the majority of the screen with the preset info, and then relegate other info to the smaller, right side.

The dedicated "button" on the black panel for the Nav / Map is all the way on the right side. It's hard to reach, and impossible to hit without looking. Shouldn't that have been on the left? In the pics above, I don't see any dedicated shortcut buttons. Wonder if they've done away from them?

The "roller" for the volume is fiddly and more than once I grabbed the selection knob to adjust volume. Glad to see that's gone here.

Speaking of steering wheel, the "hot key" is next to useless. Come on Porsche, give us a track forward / back button. For the love of all things holy! Is the knob on the left in the pics above a track forward / back ? At least it has it there...

The worst part is the screens on the dash. Plenty of real estate but terrible utilization. One thing can only be a clock or time / date normally. The other side also have very limited information normally, like total miles / temperature or something like that (it's been a few months). Basically, the outer two gauges are a total waste.

You can display critical car info on the gauge to the right of the tach like you can on the MFD on the current cars, but then it goes away when you switch to trip info (like on current cars) and that information is gone. Unlike the current cars, where you have redundant physical gauges on the outside.

If you display the nav map on the right two gauges, you can't also view any kind of vehicle or trip info anywhere. It's gone.

The left two gauges are next to useless unless you've got the assistance systems up and running. Since the speedo is digitally replicated at the bottom of the tach and you tend to use that all the time anyway. I mean, I almost never look at the speedo in my 991 as the indications are so far apart it's kinda useless.

I really hope that Porshce issues some updates to the software running the gauges. As, IMO, it totally sucks. For digital gauges, mercedes has them completely trumped in terms of functionality. Even Audi has a better layout. In looking at these shots above, I see they have added fuel and temp gauges on the right. Hope that's a step in the right direction.

All in all, it leads to a system that takes a lot of eyes-off road to read. And that's not good in any car, much less a high performance sports car.

^^ Porsche needs better market research and customer feedback other than the other goofy stuff they do. Great review.

great review - that is one reason am seriously looking at the 991.2s. I am happy with everything as is.
the good (new) always comes with the bad

I secretly hope that there will be an option for an old style PDK shifter. You know, have the little shaver for people that drive in auto mode all the time anyway (also, it gives you better access to AC controls) and then have a choice of a sporty PDK shifter or a manual for real drivers.

I can't imagine a 992 GT3RS with that shaver thing.

That, or I'm waiting for 992.2. Surely they will bring it back by then :)

Overall I am okay with the 992 except the shaver piece of ****. I use the shifter every time I drive the car. I don't ever drive the car in auto. But I am getting ready to order a 991.2. Hopefully the shifter will be back in the 992.2. Otherwise I will go back to manual trans.
I have been driving 911s since 1979. Never really had too many issues accepting the new model changes. However, the 996 lights and interior were not pleasing to me. The 997 was a welcome improvement and the 991.1 was also a welcome improvement. I was not happy about the NA engine going away for the 991.2 mainly due to lack of great NA sound and turbo lag. Now as all of us, I have to accept the change as I order the 991.2. I am confident that the 992 will be a better 911; it always is. The pics on the 992 side profile are fairly similar to the 991.
:cheers:

Pretty sure it's the cruise control stalk. ;)

Faux "stick shifters" are going the way of aids to non-power steering. But have faith.

There is still a supply of these cool aftermarket devices to ease steering manually rather than with that effete Power Steering Plus software. See: <https://www.walmart.com/c/kp/steering-wheel-spinners>

​​​​​​​Surely it won't be long until shift nub enhancers pop up, guaranteed to enlarge your stick.

supposedly this is it
 

Found this at rennteam. The large portion on the right seems out of place. But its hard to judge without seeing the whole dash.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...c8d6ab1060.jpg

it's an artistic drawing from the stylebook or manual

It looks like their rendering was based on the Panamera:-)

Yup. You can tell the steering wheel buttons are wrong and so is the tach.

Is anyone else supremely annoyed that the style direction of the most well known and famous sports car in the world for over half a century is being dictated by the Panamera which is a giant 4 door wagon land yacht and hasn't even been around for a decade?

It's bloody Panamera where brand design is first tested and the rest of model line follows suit. It's written in the Porsche modern Bible. You can not change it.
Also, i am quite curious why the flock bashing the gear levers and trims, where the skeleton of a hybrid is not picked on. Bring it on. Fight where it truly matters. It's huge.

Based on a drive in a Panorama Turbo S Hybrid Sport Tourismo, I'm guessing that the first 911 hybrid will be a new range topper above the Turbo S. Like the 918 that originated the concept and much of the technology, it will be a heavyweight that some hate, especially as it blows them away in every performance direction. Turbo S owners are immune to such criticism in any case. But you only have to feel the effect of directed torque and an additional 100 or so instant horsepower on demand feels like to realize that its worth having.

Also, a lot was learned with the 919 that blew away the competition with a tiny V4, so it is also possible a 911 will get a smaller engine plus an electric motor at the transmission case to get to less weight.

And with sufficient marketing, they can still offer a 911 T with nylon door pulls for the "analog purists". As Porsche says: "ya pays yer money and we find a way to take it".

Eh, the first Porsche ever built was a hybrid. It's the 911 that's the Johnny-come-lately.

Word. Like rearranging chairs on the Titanic.

The electric motors is what will give the razor sharp and instantaneous throttle response. Better, faster, and stronger than any combustion engine.. NA/Turbos or not. In that case I and Porsche would be keeping the turbos for even more torque, power, lower emissions, and engine size.

interior image
 

Because a P1 is not visceral?

Interesting that this is in the US

Where's the shifter!!!! :corn:

Well, Porsche and McLaren, nevermind a $1M hypercar and a 911 are totally different beasts. I'm sure the P1 is very visceral (though it's been said to have the least visceral engine feel of the "big 3".. for obvious reasons as the other two are larger displacement N/A's), but I don't find one 991 Porsche 911 with turbo's to feel visceral, compared to say an N/A Porsche that feels visceral. That includes the 911 Turbo, 991.2 GTS, etc.

I fear that shifter by Braun is the least of that ghastly interiors problems.

I decided not to wait for the 992 TTS due to the amount of screens (prone to fingerprints) that were going to be used in the car. Now it's the shifter that's the turn off. Glad I ordered my 18' TT

extremely annoyed!!! What happened to the 911 being the one leading from the front?

Here is the interior of the 2019 Cayenne. I checked it out in person. the 992 will be the same . not a fan.


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I know the feeling. It's inevitable, screens are everywhere now, you can not get a way with physical gauges or hard buttons, look around from Lamborgini&Ferrari to the Tata Motors, this era of Nokia/Vertu is almost over. As for the plasticky Cayenne above it is bare bones base, once you pimp it with leather it's get better. I know all of this is not the main focus of the 991, but no-one will argue 992 will not deliver performance on par plus a mile vs. the previous generations.

You cant be in the near future always looking in the past. Again, 991 history has proven otherwise, but the car has evolved every single time and it is still will be unmistakably 991, even with the horrendous rear end, shaver toggle switch and greasy fingertips. I totally get both going for the T or sticking round for 992. It's all cool.

Remember in the 80's when all of Porsche's sports cars had different interiors? 911, 924, 944, 928 .... Every single one had its own unique interior which made it special in it's own right no matter which model you chose....

Now in the 21st century where technology and mankind have supposedly advanced to astounding heights what do we get ? Corporate drone interiors with virtually no differentiation between Sports cars , SUV,s , CUV,s and sport wagons never mind different models within each category....

I guess I feel the same way about smart phones which apparently now lead the way for automotive interiors in the 21st century.... Brilliant!

Those two "gauges" at either end of the "cluster" are so silly and pointless I wonder why they even bother. The whole upside of these new screens is the ability to have a plethora of information displayed simultaneously but by information I mean important things like engine parameters, suspension settings tire info etc. Instead we get TIME and TEMPERATURE which is all anyone cares about these days I guess...... I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with a dedicated Facebook / Instagram screen soon...

I doubt it will stop me from buying one but i absolutely despise touch sensitive buttons like those on the center console in the pics above.... just give me physical buttons. I want to be able to reach down and find a button without looking. Cadilac finally learned their lesson after getting blasted for this for years and is going back to more physical buttons. Exterior of the 992 seems like a nice update to me. Interior (where an update felt more needed) it looks like won't be a drastic improvement. I'm sure the final product will be nice but I had my hopes up :)

White calipers - those should be easy to keep looking clean and fresh. : -(

White calipers are PSCB's, which cut down on brake dust by a lot. The white was chosen for that reason....to highlight how clean they stay.

Yes tungsten carbide coating just like on the Cayenne Turbo

I think you may have discovered something here -- the black front and rear treatment appears to be tape. The bumpers may be painted after all. Look at the Miami Blue photo from the front top view, there is tape on the bottom center of the front bumper.

The big black area above the license plate is a decal. There are some other photos floating around that show a couple of bubbles in that area. It also looks like there is a strip of black decal covering the parking sensor area. I think the rear will look pretty nice once all the camo is removed and the paint is exposed. I like the placement of the license plate in the lower area rather than in the bumper like my 991 and 997, and I also like taking the Porsche name off the bumper and moving it to the light bar. I'm hoping that the front end will have a larger painted area than that being shown on the test cars.

I find these complaints about a digital cockpit to be outdated and indicate a lack of knowledge of what is needed for a modern sports car.

Digital instrument clusters can be more effectively tailored to provide better information to a sports car driver. If anything I think Porsche should be faulted for not going all digital.

Here are photos of the instrument clusters of pinnacle sports cars: a Ferrari F1 car, a Porsche 919 LMP1 car, and a NASCAR.

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Reminds me of a 928. Strange. I do not like it.

Its a sports car. It's not a luxury car. It is designed for the track. That's what separates it from a GT car like a Bentley or a BMW.

Simply don't agree. You are making the 911 buyer sound like a retro luxury car enthusiast rather than a modern sports car enthusiast.

Sports car drivers need info. Shift indicator lights, tire pressure and temperatures, etc. a speedometer needle is pretty useless and even an analog tachometer isn't really practical given how quickly our cars engines can hit the redline.

However since you don't like my Racecar examples, here are some Sports car examples which include Ferrari 488, Mclaren 570S, Mclaren P1, Lamborghini Aventador, Ford GT.

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Exactly. And if you really want the retro experience you can buy a 993. There are plenty of vintage of Porsche's available. Porsche probably has more of its older models on the road than any other brand. And if you want modern mechanics, there are also companies like Singer.

Porsche is building and designing cars for today's and tomorrow's buyer. They could care less about nostalgia. Technology and electronics are what buyers are wanting, especially in Porsche's # 1 sales market >> CHINA. The average buyer of these cars wants the latest and greatest. Doesn't always work in favor of the more traditional enthusiast who wants more simplicity and appreciates the driving experience first and foremost.

As much of a modern purist as I try to be , my issue is not solely with the digital displays themselves but rather how poorly integrated they are along with the questionable ergonomics and gimmicky , confused nature of the interior design as a whole.

The above sport car references are extremely focused purpose built sports cars which I absolutely love and their interiors reflect that with a very driver focused and no nonsense approach which I also love. This is also what the 911's of past used to be.

IF the 911 went back in that direction I would have far less to complain about. Unfortunately, it seems they are instead moving towards full on luxury car interiors that closely resemble their decidedly non sports car offerings and that infuriates me.

^^^ Agree ... with the sports car market struggling as is, and them wanting to grow and not lose ground in that segment, they try and cast the widest net as possible. That's what they're designing, two door cars that play double duty.

^ Exactly limegreen. Based on the mule spyshots, Porsche doesn't appear to be putting in a dash like the Ferrari or McLaren. More like they're putting in something akin to the Panamera's.

Personally, I'd prefer a digital dash, if it's a good one, but I think Porsche has to tread carefully, and in no way does anything Porsche seems to be doing with the 992 say pure sports car. If anything it looks more GT than the 991, inside and out.

I will never understand why a company that offers a lineup of vehicles to suit different purposes will end up ultimately blending them all together. I call it the "swiss army car" approach where just like the knives, they produce a vehicle that can do many things but none of them exceptionally well. The Crossover utility vehicles are the worst offender in that.


This GT direction they are continuing in is also concerning because the 991 is almost too far in that direction already. I struggle to find the sports car in my 991 at times, it feels half as sporty as the 997 , 996 era. I'm going to guess that the 992 will only be quieter and more removed. I will never understand why the driving feel / experience decreases with each new model. This new 992 interior that is loaded with over complication, gimmicks and distractions certainly isn't a step towards improving that situation, replacing buttons with screens that make a " click " noise when pressed certainly has a way of draining the experience.

But the 911 never was a "pure" sports car, it ultimately followed the same design principle as in the 356 and to an extent the Volkswagen. It always had a 2+2 seat configuration for the small family, a fairly upright and comfortable seating position, sizeable cargo space (with strapping something to the roof posing no issue) - and a durable drivetrain. The 911 was popular because it was sporty but remained practical and liveable and also could easily be adapted for competition on- or off-road.

Something like a half-digital dash does not suddenly make it not a pure sports car, it never was just a sports car. Porsche are just evolving the 911 with the times and the car will presumably remain true to the core concept like it always has.

Maybe you should go back and read the comments that triggered my responses.

Agreed. There's an article in this month's Panorama magazine comparing the 356 to the MG TC of the same era. Even back then, the Porsche was a cut above the "pure" sports car.

To me a good set of digital instruments is part of an excellent driving experience for an enthusiast. If you have PDK, you need shifting indicators and these are far more effective with a digital cluster, or even better a Head-up-display. You also need information like tire pressure and temperature, oil pressure, oil temperature, engine temperature, etc. A lot of us have the digital gauge in our 991s set for these things, but the fact that we can't have the oil and engine info at the same time as the tire info is a huge problem.

I would want a digital cluster which can simultaneously display:
- Shift indicator lights
- Tire pressure and temp
- Oil pressure and temp
- Engine temp
- Range to empty
- Map so I know what is coming up (ideally a Waze map so I can also hazards)
- RPM
- Speed
- Gear

The Lamborghini Aventador digital cluster offers this and it would be a great choice for the 992 to copy. So does the McLaren instrument cluster. And the Ferrari one comes close.

The way I see it nostalgia is for people who don't really take advantage of the performance fully but just want a luxury car that looks like a traditional 911. So innovation filters from race cars (which are 100% focused on the performance driver) to McLaren/Ferrari/Lamborghini which draw inspiration from race cars, to Porsche who draws inspiration from these. Take the mode wheel on the 991.2 wheel. That is an F1 idea, that Ferrari brought to sports cars, which Porsche then copied a few years later. Also paddles. If you remember Porsche initially resisted paddles and had those crappy tiptronic buttons. Then after Ferrari offered real paddles for a few years, Porsche got the hint.

^^ some very good points. You're making me crave a Ferrari.

1st post here (long time member of Planet 9 - different user name)

Everyone has different wants, dislikes, and "red lines." The analogue tach and a manual transmission are musts for me. That's just me. What I've read about the 992 being push-button start really bothers me. If inserting a key and turning it isn't an option, I don't know if that in and of itself will be a deal breaker, but it will be close. (After 6 years in my 981S, I still smile every time I turn/click the key on or off, and shake my head when I push the stupid start buttons on my "lesser cars.") If there is an open cup holder anywhere, around the shifter, that alone could be a deal breaker. A note in the May 2018 All Stars article in Automobile Magazine about the Panamera 4S has me worried: "... the overreliance on touchscreens to the point of menu scrolling to adjust the HVAC vent position is downright silly. At least Porsche kept the tachometer analog." Can that possibly be true? Needing to scroll through a menu to adjust the vent position! If they do that on the 992, I'm 100% out. I've had a deposit down on a 992 GTS for about 4 months, but I'm really worried about the interior. I'm glad that no one has been able to actually see it yet. That tells me that it's still a work in progress and that the ugly "spy shots" and renderings are not that close to the final product.

There is NO reason to have a deposit down on any Carrera. There's no shortage.

By the way, having a standard cloth headliner and Alcantara being an $$ option now is ridiculous.

I do a a lot of complaining on here but I have to admit I was being secretly optimistic that this 992 would in the end sort itself out into something pretty cool.

These recent articles along with the realization that the early spy photos were actually legitimate near final production versions have nearly sealed the deal for me. This 992 offers little to look forward to and it's so disappointing. I really hope that it shines in person but can remember that when the 991 came out all my initial gut feelings remained the same once I actually saw and drove one.

parked in front of Holiday Inn at Fisherman's Wharf right now
 

Just saw these getting loaded into a trailer by the Holiday Inn at Fisherman's Wharf on Leavenworth Street. Pretty sure they are the same cars in the latest 992 articles. This one had the windows down and the keys in the passenger seat.
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Nice job! Not afraid to pull out the phone and take some pictures. I think I would've jumped in the car and drove off with it and did some investigative work :roflmao:

It was just the truck driver loading the car by himself. I was tempted to pull back some of the dash cover.

I might be influenced by the negative remarks about the interior from Car&Driver, but the exposed parts did remind me of the Tesla 3 interior. Clean but not luxurious.

Didn't you know it pulls out and can be use a shaver when you are late in the morning. :D

Need a cupholder delete aka smoking package.

Well, Georg Kacher's article gives me hope. He specifically mentions turning the key to start, so that quells my fears of a push button. I just hate that the 991 went to a 7-speed manual, but I really like that he says it's been greatly improved in the 992. The touch screen with menus is quite disappointing, but hopefully they will make it intuitive and unnecessary for most functions. That cup holder in Daddyscar's photos (nice job BTW!) makes me want to puke (as Rosanne Roseannadanna would say). I hope that won't make it to final production, or that it will be eliminated with the manual gearbox, or that there will be a cover (something like BMW does - photo below - cupholders are below that tray.)

Maybe those covers hiding the dash will be an option. Maybe they will be available in leather with deviated stitching for those who don't like the look of the final dash. :-)
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Well, Georg Kacher's article gives me some hope. He specifically mentions turning the key to start the car so that quells my fear of the push button. I just hope he's talking about a real key that you insert rather than the comfort access plug thing. While I hate that the 991 went to a 7-speed manual, I like that he notes that it's been greatly improved with the 992. The touch screen with the menus is disappointing, but hopefully it will be intuitive and unnecessary for most functions. That cupholder in Daddyscar's photos (nice find!) is just horrible. That better be eliminated in the final production or they at least need to have a cover (something like BMW has - photo below - cupholders are below that tray). An open cupholder is like watching someone chew with his mouth open!
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Not going to be a real key.

If you have driven a current gen Panny or Cayenne, they have keyless start as standard. There is a rotating switch in the same place as current with something that's about half the length of the current entry and drive plug. But it's more permanently attached, I think.

If the touchscreen hasn't gotten a massive overhaul since the Panamera and Cayenne, it's anything but intuitive. But I've seen different content on the screens in the spy shots of the 992 as well as different hard buttons than in those two cars so I will remain hopeful that they made large improvements.

So many predictions about the actual reveal... Paris? Nope. Rennsport? Nope. LA? Hope so. We've seen enough of the exterior that the upcoming launch isn't so much about how the 992 will look from the outside - it's about the interior. Even that Motor Trend article didn't include any interior photos - except for just this one. It's another test car, to be sure, and it may mean nothing - but for me, the anticipation comes down to just one important detail: Is it really going to have a nubbin?
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It's definitely going to have the nubbin / shaver / vibrator / nugget / flap / whatever.

Sigh. At this point I'm ready to believe that. I am a PDK customer but usually shift manually - and I don't use the flappy paddles. Hopefully Porsche has gotten the message (we've beaten this to death already) and they will have a configurator option for something more substantial. </dead horse beating, sorry>

Porsche has had some car design misadventures in the past. The "fried egg" headlights on the 996 is one example. I am concerned that they have outdone themselves in the 992 with the gear shifter nubbin. A nubbin belongs in a Prius, not a 911. And that central cup holder - I mean, what the hell is that?! Since when is the cup holder front and center in the design concept of a 911?

Agree, but I still refuse to believe that what we are seeing is close to the final product. I mean they don't give the design to one person and just let him/her do what he/she wants. There has to be a multi-tiered review and approval process. If they showed that interior to 10,000 people, I don't think one would like it. Those vertical toggles in front of the nubbin, the thin vents above them, and the 5 horizontal toggles above the vents simply cannot be for real. And the cup holder?? No way. Although I don't love the interiors of the Panamera, Macan, or Cayenne, at least they are well laid out. What we are seeing so for for the 992 reminds me of my 1986 Alfa GTV6 only worse. Much worse. However, they actually DID bring the Panamera to production with touch-screen adjustment of the vent louvers, which would be completely beyond comprehension even on a Kia, so perhaps it is possible that what we are seeing for the 992 is real. But I still refuse to believe it...

Maybe the covers in the spy shots will be optional in leather with deviated stitching and we could just keep the whole dash covered. Maybe the covers will make it to final production...

I hope it is not true what i see.. But the worst part is that after sometime my eyes will used to it and then i will start to like it..

Said it many times before - 2 door Panamera

I had an '82 GTV6. Loved that car!

Again - the production is starting in a couple of months. Tools for any high volume production (i.e. not prototypes) need to be ordered (and therefore frozen in design) 6-12 months before SOP so what we see here is 100% going into production in the same shape size and form as in these pictures.

All evaluation on look, feel etc has been done typically 12-18 months before SOP, in customer clinics, market researchs etc.

Agreed,...I still use the shifter more than the paddles. If there is no upgrade from the nubbin I really would have a hard time buying one, it does mean that much to me. The nubbin just looks ridiculous and cheap and the detached exhaust looks even worse. There are good things here, but mostly some serious shortcomings.

Time to start believing. Major design elements are locked down one to two years before production and everything other than the simplest trim elements are locked down months beforehand. So what you see is what we'll get.

Totally agree ...

Yeah, I bought mine new in 86 and drove/loved it for 17 years. I never should have sold it. Still kicking myself. I just looked at images of the interior to refresh my memory. It's not that bad, I like it better than what I'm seeing in the 992. Maybe I'll save $140k and buy another GTV6... BTW, the last 3 speeding tickets I got (over the last 6-8 years) were all in State College! Knock on wood, my new detector seems to be working...

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overall, just a horrible attempt in re-designing the interior. made the car more backward if anything.

how is this interior better looking? it looks like an honda or acura

You have no idea what a Honda or Acura interior looks like. Their center console stack just out so there is no continuous line across the dash. The 992 interior with that wide non stop line across the dash is classic Porsche. Echoes 993, 930 and 997.

Lol. I guess it's a human nature to bitch about a new car design.

I think interior is a step that PAG should make to keep up with other high tech cars out there. No question about it.

My only issue is that I will miss the cool yet flimsy cupholder of 991 gen over this monster cup holder in the center. And, now I'm starting to think PDK shaver looks pretty futuristic. Sorry.

Wow, so true! They even compare it to Panamera and blame VW like people here, lol.

For me it's not really the looks that's the problem but function. I drive my 991.2 TTS almost exclusively in manual PDK and shift using the lever. Paddles are much less engaging.

People complained about the BMW e46 when it came out. I don't remember a time when everyone said wow the new one is great.

The gear shifter itself looks metal which is good. But the huge plastic area underneath it is completely unnecessary. Why not make that smaller, or make it out of leather or metal.

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Mercedes had a small shifter in the AMG GT and did it much more elegantly.


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In one article, it was mentioned the shifter felt "cheap" or similar language. I'd have to find the quote. Something like no leather, etc ...

I exchanged words with one of the journalist who was at the test drive/ride event. He said that shifter is real and no more shifting up or down from the shifter just use steering wheel pedals or not

Instead of shifter they should just put 5 button there

Sad day then. It's not just they got rid of a valid shifter, but replaced it with a ridiculous looking nub. As you mentioned might as well replace with buttons. It looks dumb and prone to breakage.

Whomever came up with it at Porsche needs to be fired, and I truly can't believe this would have made it all the way through the focus groups?? Really? Seriously?? I would have tried to rip it out of the car and find the nearest trash can.

The engineers took a bus to work. The execs got chauffeured in the back of a Panamera. The focus group members called Uber. Enthusiasts weren't asked, and 500 million not-so-Red Chinese didn't care.

Being able to upshift in a turn by nudging the PDK shifter is pretty darned useful when driving in traffic. :(

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I doubt you can even shift using that shaver shifter. Seems like you have to press M button at the bottom and use paddle.

Exactly. So much cleaner just having buttons like Ferrari, McLaren etc.

Yep, the MSN,.....Metro Sexual Nub

Porsche 992 - There is no substitute...for the nubbin...unless you buy a car equipped with a manual transmission.

The bottom of that shifter looks rounded, bet you can tilt it back and forth for some shifts.

Probably like the current PDK: paddle while in D = temporary manual shift, reverts to auto in a few seconds. Press the M button and full control with the paddles (unless the computer thinks you'll break something and overrides you!).

Video leaked about how to use the new shifter, in manual (close circuit)

Word. Also whoever came up with the digital dash needs to be fired, as well as those who came up with 21" wheels, 1" longer body, fake exhaust tips, and fake aspirated engine sounds pumped in the cabin.

Even the most universally disliked interior in 911 history holds it's own when compared to this. Despite being "over styled" ( for the time) at least it was no nonsense, extremely functional and matched the form follows function principal that Porsche sports cars always upheld. The 992 interior with it's center air vents demoted to accommodate a giant distracting computer screen and that ghastly, needless, greasy, i pad slab of a center console is anything but....


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So sorry. Ummmm... I don't hate it. I kinda like the retro look they were going after. What concerns me is (1) the vent blowing cold air on my hand when shifting (MT driver here), and (2) a cupholder right where your arm needs to be when shifting. In essence, the workable cup holders were replaced by something I can never use. It all does look plastic and will be a dust and fingerprint magnet as evidenced by this very photo. The screen - well, it's overkill and gimmicky for a sports car. What happened to German pragmatism?

I want to like this car. I really do. I have a 991.2 configuration ready and my SA on hold until I see the final version.

That air vent reminds me of S2000 :)

I think they're hoping the cold air blowing out will make you use the touch screen less, and also good for blowing dust off it. Maybe a way to keep the BIG GULP cold??

You don't really need those vents under the screen. If you don't like them turn them off. Unlike the previous 911 this one has directable vents on top of the dash. You can use those to direct air at your face and they won't blow cold air on your hands.

From the car and driver report, the design idea is to let touch screen take the best real estate.
The air flow will split into the vent on top of the dash and the ones underneath the screen.

Gotcha. But still, it makes no sense. It's seems the performance engineering is always there, but the design team doesn't quite get it. Why would you bother with a vent there at all? I am not trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill, but this is just an example of unfocused design. The 1976 Corvette-style front bumper is another - just looks tacked on rather than integrated into the design to hide the lines. Another is all wide-body models - I happen to prefer the narrow body, albeit probably in the minority on that one. The rear end, not distinctive like a 911 - just follow the family style now. It's all these little things that are making it a miss. Here I am ready to trade on my lease and it's not clear what direction I should take. I don't live in the past - I work in advanced manufacturing technologies so I really love new things. I am trying so hard to like it but finding it difficult. Very difficult. Why would they cloud consumer acceptance? Their focus group probably needs to change.

Besides keeping the Big Gulp cold, as STG suggested, perhaps the oddly placed, "inferior" (both literally and figuratively, perhaps) AC outlets are intended to make the 992 more dog friendly?! I am sure my little Addy would be thrilled!
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Absolutely - right at schnoot level!

Hey man, these guys are not an interior design company. They are a performance engineering company. You can't expect too much of them.

There are a lot of bad design choices in the 991 - why is the nav screen so low that it is distracting to read? why do they have those cheap vinyl sun visors? what's with the cheap plastic switches and panel in the center console? why do they have so many tiny switches which force you to look down and squint to do something as simple as turn on the seat ventilation? Why do the turn signal stalks look like they belong in a golf? Why does the leather airbag have no stitching and therefore look identical to the non leather airbag? Why is the center console armrest tiny and barely functional? Why do the super expensive 18 way seats look no more special than the standard ones?

So it's not surprising there are bad design choices in the 992 interior.

The good news is they have made the performance better and that is all you can count on from Porsche.

Biggest issue for me has always been what looks like a transmission tunnel?? Makes sense in a Panamera, but translates very poorly to a rear-engined car...

992 seems to be a small improvement in this area.

Umm... no, not for me. Much prefer that 992 interior over 996. Looks a lot cleaner and more elegant. And in regards to materials especially without leather the 996 is just cheap plastic everywhere, as cheap as all the plastic in modern Porsches may appear they're still way above that 90s/early 2000s level of interior finish.

Lol. All good points. When all is said and done, the 992 will be well received by the press exactly for that reason. I just need to see what their expectations are for pricing on a C2. A C2 is all I can handle, and don't want/need to pay for a deleted PDK or wide body. If it's another 10K on the base price without any real value to me, then it's a no.

The 991 interior while not my favorite, is far from having many bad design choices other than the silly high center console with horizontal buttons for the HVAC and driving modes. Seeing that this silly design choice is carrying over to the 992 with an even larger console now with the radio buttons horizontally configured and the haptic console lacking the tactile feedback of any real buttons I would say they are taking it into an even worse direction. It seems like a real reach to blast the 991 for most of those trivial complaints when the 992 is so obviously and dramatically different.

I also completely disagree with the Nav screen comment and feel the exact opposite. The low NAV screen is less distracting and out of the way for actual driving, particularly at night and offers far more outward visibility, also having the small screen in the cluster does more than enough for displaying critical information regarding navigation.

The high dashboard design of the 992 is going to feel very different and likely will create a more claustrophobic feel of sitting facing a wall which will likely be similar to other cars that have used that approach. You'll feel like that nav screen is constantly in your face. Call me crazy but in my Porsche the only screen that matters for displaying critical information is the wind screen. If I want to stare at big computer screens in my face all day I'll just stay in my office.

The 991 offers superb ergonomics IMO.

Squint to look at buttons? I think you need your eyes checked and I don't mean that in a demeaning way.

Every button and every function related to driving is right there in arms reach. If you're in tune with your car, it's second nature. The only thing that I'd consider "slow" is the speed at which you can change your A/C temps. The switches and clicks(very satisfying) are high quality to me in a sense where they simply effing work. You can tell they work without even looking.

The 991 interior is far from cheap, even in it's most basic form. Go ahead and push as hard as you can on your dash, center console, doors.. Rattle those things back and forth. Pound them with your fist. You won't hear a single creak and they'll barely give way. Try that in a Mercedes and let me know what happens.

Hey Porsche , it seems you've forgotten what a simple, clean and purposeful yet modern sports car interior should look like so here's an example to try and follow or take some ideas from. Try harder next time. Thanks.....

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2+ Million dollar car that’s not road legal in the US isn’t a very fair comparison

Doesn't work for me. I need two front seats, a clutch pedal, and a 7 speed manual gearshift. They're not getting my $2 million.

You can't fool all of the people all of the time. (Or even some).

Is that a car or a spaceship? :roflmao:

The 996 interior would look at home on a second gen Ford Explorer. The 992 shelf is a bit odd, but it could certainly be much worse.

Agreed, that thing looks goofy as hell. The designers were so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn't stop to think about whether they should.

To me that's not a "simple and clean" interior. It is purposeful but looks very busy.

New G class (and probably other Mercedes cars as well) has old school gauges as standard with all screen setup being an option.

FIFY so that your statement applies to what everyone says when a new model comes out. ;)

Bottom line... With the 992 Porsche had the opportunity to get " back to form" by steering the 992 away from a full on luxury car interior and instead they chose to continue further in that Panamera direction which I view as a big mistake to the 911's identity.

The Chiron actually has several.

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once you go Full Lexus you never go back...

Never go full Lexus

That Chiron interior , like the Mclaren is also perfectly simple and elegant and combines tech in a purposeful way. I personally don't have any issues with the screens on the cluster. It's the giant one next to it and the horrid center console that makes the 992 such a loser me....

Being as objective as I can be, the 991 interior is extremely true to Porsche form in retaining that Germanic simplicity. Often I get into it and find it a breathe of fresh air amidst a sea of gimmicky interiors. Often I get into it and think it doesn't really "wow" you like a typical $100+K car. Which is actually a cool personality trait of a 911, being that it doesn't conform, and it staunchly informs you that the interior is merely an environment intended to allow you to focus on the actual drive. It says a lot that the 911 has cultivated such a culture and yields massive margins. Having been inside a 992 (in my dream), it definitely goes further to "wow" you. But it also has some very clumsy and questionable design traits, which the 991 doesn't have. And it looks absolutely awful in that above photo.

Overall, the 992 interior will make your 991 interior feel very spartan, perhaps "outdated" (I hate that word as it's so subjective and doesn't take actual design quality into consideration). Whether you like or dislike that, is up to you. I loathe that stupid "pinch" nubbin shifter (antithesis to sportiness and ergonomics) and those digital "insta dated pixelated" LCD gauge screens.

They come in AWD as well......

I agree. Look in a Ferrari, Lambo, Aston etc etc ...they are all going digital. If Porsche stayed with all analogue gauges they would be falling behind and not appealing to the younger crowd that they need to attract. Many of us are traditionalist but we are older. Look in a modern day race car....all digital. I don't really like the dash pics that we have seen so far but I'm sure it will be quite different/great. 2 more weeks........

I don't think the issue lies nearly as much with the digital gauge cluster itself as it does the rest of the interior. The giant, distracting and counter intuitive multi function screen dominating the dashboard and the massive center console sporting controls with questionable ergonomics are what I believe has most of us concerned ( both younger and older crowd) .

I doubt console will be as big and blank in 2 weeks.

You have to remember,....it's not that screens are more modern, they are simply cheaper to manufacture now even compared to analog gauges, a few years and every car will have them (the new VW Jetta can have them). Agree, for the younger crowd that is used to looking at screens all day long, this is what they demand. Nothing is wrong with them, they simply display information in a different way,....but the old adage goes, when everyone is special, no one is. The 911 just became a member of the everyone is soon to special crowd :icon501:

Yup...and have since the 964. No 'transmission tunnel' is required for a driveshaft.

Instead of "outdated", perhaps the term is "vintage". The analog dash will feel vintage :)

At first I was stoked about the new interior for the 992. Not having physical buttons to touch while driving (and not taking your eyes off of the road) has already proven to be a nuisance for Panamera owners. I do like the new dash and how it can be customized. As far as the buttons go, I'll have to reserve my judgements until driving the new 992.

What is with the transmission tunnel obsession?

Because Panamera

I really like it on the 991.

991.3

Certainly not on the inside.

The final product.

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Exactly. Interior is a major change.

Not in a good way.

Maybe I missed this earlier in the thread, not sure, but are those panels to either side of the shifter just plain piano black, or touch sensitive controls? Seems like a waste of space if the former.

Kinda looks like an updated Oldsmobile 98 dash from the 80s.....doors and seats are OK,.....the rest, oh the humanity

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I think a lot depends on how that bench that runs from the steering column to the passenger door looks in person.

I'll say it again. They need to just stop calling this a 911. It's not one. I wonder if this is Porsche's way of slowly phasing it out.

Went to the LA auto show specifically to look at the interior on these cars. Despite the fact I couldn't sit in the car I can tell you it works MUCH better in person than it does in the pics.

Thats good to hear . Don't really like it in pics but reserving judgement until CIAS in Feb. thanks.

Looks more like an original 911 than the 991 did.


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I took a few interior pics while I was in LA…

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I think a big improvement is the availability of more two tone interiors - allowing a black dash with different colors. That was definitely limited in the 991.

Did you notice that there is now a leather strap to release the front seat forward replacing the ugly plastic latch in the 991? Also there is no tray in the rear center console but in a photo I saw there appears to be a foldout drink holder on the side wall of the rear seat. Is that correct?

You can see the leather strap in the third photo. Nice change.

I don't see any Homelink buttons (garage door opener) in the overhead console.

And where is the Auto/Start/Stop button? Has it been eliminated? When I attended the auto show, a product specialist told me there were Panamera-style lights/buttons in the piano-black surfaces surrounding the shifter that lit up when he started the car, so there seems to be a bit of information about the interior that we're still not aware of.

Are the new seats missing a backrest release handle on the inside bolster? That was always a great feature that offered the ability to flip the passenger seat forward from the drivers seat without having to get out.

I'm assuming it may be similar to the latest Panamera, in that there is no longer an actual button. To manually turn it off when in normal mode, it's located in the menu option within the large center touchscreen.
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So now it's going to be 3x more annoying to disable EVERY TIME you get into the car as it likely defaults back to ON with each key cycle just like the 991.2.

You cannot judge the quality or ergonomics of the interior from pictures.

You really need to sit in it to be able to judge whether the interior is better or worse.

My seat time in the 992 left me with the impression that ergonomically everything felt better. I think the lack of actual buttons on the center console won't be a big issue, although I have to see how some of the controls like Sport, Start/Stop, PSE, etc. on the PCM screen will work in actual driving situations. The biggest thing I noticed sitting in the 992 was that the steering wheel felt "cheap" and hollow. Other than that, everything else was fine, yes, even the Braun PDK shifter (which in my opinion is better than the 991 Dildo PDK shifter).

Sure you can.. this is the interwebz! You can judge everything with 100% accuracy just by a blurry picture and absorbing all the BS posted online.

Actual first hand knowledge is highly overrated.

It is not like the Panamera with controls on those black surfaces. He was probably reading this forum.

On the panamera will the setting hold after you turn the car off? Having to disable start/stop every single time through an on screen menu would be a HUGE pita.

^ Seems like depending on options 1 or 2 of the 5 dash toggles is programmable...maybe can be used to defeat auto stop/start?

When I had a loaner for about a week, I would just turn the dial on the steering wheel to sport and it start/stop feature automatically disables. There's probably an easy way, but I didn't take the time to do so....

The start/stop feature on the 992 is probably like that on the new Cayenne. It can't be permanently turned off, but after startup it can be switched off by assigning that function to the diamond button, adding to the individual mode that function be turned off, or adding the function to the home screen where it can be turned off. I use the diamond button on my new Cayenne and it's not a big deal. Although I have to say that it is nice that my 991.1 has a permanent on/off feature.

Not when you sit in it. Feels a lot more like a luxury car than previous 911's.

The new Porsche steering wheel is odd indeed. It feels like a cheap/unfinished concept version of the 918 style wheel first released on the 2015 Macan.