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Old 09-07-2018, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Gobbi View Post
It's bloody Panamera where brand design is first tested and the rest of model line follows suit. It's written in the Porsche modern Bible. You can not change it.
Also, i am quite curious why the flock bashing the gear levers and trims, where the skeleton of a hybrid is not picked on. Bring it on. Fight where it truly matters. It's huge.
Eh, the first Porsche ever built was a hybrid. It's the 911 that's the Johnny-come-lately.
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Old 09-12-2018, 08:35 AM
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Also, i am quite curious why the flock bashing the gear levers and trims, where the skeleton of a hybrid is not picked on. Bring it on. Fight where it truly matters. It's huge.
Word. Like rearranging chairs on the Titanic.
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Old 09-14-2018, 08:34 AM
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If I didn't know in advance, I would have guessed that the interior dash/center console was in an SUV, not a 911.
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Old 09-18-2018, 11:39 AM
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Based on a drive in a Panorama Turbo S Hybrid Sport Tourismo, I'm guessing that the first 911 hybrid will be a new range topper above the Turbo S. Like the 918 that originated the concept and much of the technology, it will be a heavyweight that some hate, especially as it blows them away in every performance direction. Turbo S owners are immune to such criticism in any case. But you only have to feel the effect of directed torque and an additional 100 or so instant horsepower on demand feels like to realize that its worth having.

Also, a lot was learned with the 919 that blew away the competition with a tiny V4, so it is also possible a 911 will get a smaller engine plus an electric motor at the transmission case to get to less weight.

And with sufficient marketing, they can still offer a 911 T with nylon door pulls for the "analog purists". As Porsche says: "ya pays yer money and we find a way to take it".
As long as the 911 Hybrid uses an electric motor *instead* of turbos as opposed to *on top of* turbos, Iím for it. Think about it, you get the unadulterated masterpiece sound of an N/A, the instant razor sharp throttle response of an N/A, and the ďboostĒ of a turbo albeit twofold and without ANY lag. Only con is if itís heavier than turbos, but turbos and all the necessary plumbing on the 991.2 already added 100 lbs more to the car.

In that regard, aside from maybe weight, there isnít one benefit turbos have over hybrid. They suck the sound away, they inherently have some lag, and by now perhaps they arenít as effective in ultimate performance.

If itís hybrid + turbo, on the other hand, thatíd be a mess. Thereís no way the car would have any semblance of a visceral feel with all those heavy power adders nannying the car.
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Old 09-18-2018, 06:33 PM
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As long as the 911 Hybrid uses an electric motor *instead* of turbos as opposed to *on top of* turbos, Iím for it. Think about it, you get the unadulterated masterpiece sound of an N/A, the instant razor sharp throttle response of an N/A, and the ďboostĒ of a turbo albeit twofold and without ANY lag. Only con is if itís heavier than turbos, but turbos and all the necessary plumbing on the 991.2 already added 100 lbs more to the car.

In that regard, aside from maybe weight, there isnít one benefit turbos have over hybrid. They suck the sound away, they inherently have some lag, and by now perhaps they arenít as effective in ultimate performance.

If itís hybrid + turbo, on the other hand, thatíd be a mess. Thereís no way the car would have any semblance of a visceral feel with all those heavy power adders nannying the car.
The electric motors is what will give the razor sharp and instantaneous throttle response. Better, faster, and stronger than any combustion engine.. NA/Turbos or not. In that case I and Porsche would be keeping the turbos for even more torque, power, lower emissions, and engine size.
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Old 09-20-2018, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by K-A


If itís hybrid + turbo, on the other hand, thatíd be a mess. Thereís no way the car would have any semblance of a visceral feel with all those heavy power adders nannying the car.
Because a P1 is not visceral?
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Originally Posted by Zane S
Interesting that this is in the US
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Old 09-20-2018, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Zane S

Where's the shifter!!!!
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Old 09-21-2018, 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Needsdecaf View Post
Because a P1 is not visceral?
Well, Porsche and McLaren, nevermind a $1M hypercar and a 911 are totally different beasts. I'm sure the P1 is very visceral (though it's been said to have the least visceral engine feel of the "big 3".. for obvious reasons as the other two are larger displacement N/A's), but I don't find one 991 Porsche 911 with turbo's to feel visceral, compared to say an N/A Porsche that feels visceral. That includes the 911 Turbo, 991.2 GTS, etc.
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Old 09-22-2018, 10:01 PM
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Where's the shifter!!!!
I fear that shifter by Braun is the least of that ghastly interiors problems.
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Old 10-04-2018, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by limegreen View Post
I fear that shifter by Braun is the least of that ghastly interiors problems.
I decided not to wait for the 992 TTS due to the amount of screens (prone to fingerprints) that were going to be used in the car. Now it's the shifter that's the turn off. Glad I ordered my 18' TT
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Old 10-04-2018, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by limegreen View Post
Is anyone else supremely annoyed that the style direction of the most well known and famous sports car in the world for over half a century is being dictated by the Panamera which is a giant 4 door wagon land yacht and hasn't even been around for a decade?
extremely annoyed!!! What happened to the 911 being the one leading from the front?
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Old 10-04-2018, 05:17 PM
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Here is the interior of the 2019 Cayenne. I checked it out in person. the 992 will be the same . not a fan.






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Old 10-04-2018, 06:23 PM
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I know the feeling. It's inevitable, screens are everywhere now, you can not get a way with physical gauges or hard buttons, look around from Lamborgini&Ferrari to the Tata Motors, this era of Nokia/Vertu is almost over. As for the plasticky Cayenne above it is bare bones base, once you pimp it with leather it's get better. I know all of this is not the main focus of the 991, but no-one will argue 992 will not deliver performance on par plus a mile vs. the previous generations.

You cant be in the near future always looking in the past. Again, 991 history has proven otherwise, but the car has evolved every single time and it is still will be unmistakably 991, even with the horrendous rear end, shaver toggle switch and greasy fingertips. I totally get both going for the T or sticking round for 992. It's all cool.
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