hf1

Once I started racing I realized that HP/torque is irrelevant for having fun on backroads. The must fun backroad runs are those with minimal braking and acceleration while keeping as much momentum as possible through the turns.

AdamSanta85

ITT, "The ST sucks because I can't get one"

The ST is awesome, expensive, yea, but it costs what people are already paying for regular GT3s. It's what the Touring should have been.

Manifold

People aren't paying $330k+ for GT3s. I have a nicely specced GT3 coming in October and paid $206k MSRP for it. I wouldn't have paid a significant ADM for the car because I think it's already bit overpriced at MSRP. Yes, I know, everyone can't get them at MSRP, but many do.

AdamSanta85

On BAT I see 992 GT3's pushing $300k....

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2023-porsche-911-gt3-touring-3/

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2022-porsche-911-gt3-touring-40/

Manifold

Yes, there are examples here and there of people paying those prices for the cars. There are also many examples of people quietly buying the cars at little or no ADM. There's a bell curve, and the top of the curve isn't the whole curve.

neanicu

It's pretty funny how the same people who were praising Porsche for offering pdk only with the 991 GT3 are claws and fists over " special " manual cars. Now the manual car has become " special ". And they're sending those who can't buy these cars(at least reasonably) to buy Carrera T with the s**t turbo engine and the s**t 7 speed transmission. Go right ahead and buy that instead if you think it has ANY similitude with this car.
Porsche has gone down the drain and it's feeding the market arm chair experts to make a buck extra on already overpriced cars. Good luck with that business model and good riddance!

cosmos

^ good luck buying a T, they are essentially sold out for 992.1. Point is moot.

This whole thread is academic at best.

whojoemama

honestly it seems like they are running out of ideas. This car is a 992GT3T minus 80lbs. Big deal. Yes a couple of special parts but not that differentiated.

figure out how to take 500-700lbs out of the car and it will be the different and better they are targeting.

cosmos

Really? Considering the 992 GT3 only weighs in about 250lbs more than a 997 GT3, what you are asking for is impossible and ignorant. Why not just say 1000lbs or 2000lbs weight saving? It’s all fantasy anyway.

and as you said “better they are targeting” I’m assuming you were referring to a certain target demographic, well pretty sure “they” meant Porsche and I think they hit that demographic

whojoemama

Singer DLS is 2200lbs. Yes its very expensive, but it is differentiated and possible. my point is simply that Porsche is running out of ideas, at least it seems to me. so they put on a LWF and a bit more carbon fiber and stickers and voila, ST. But really not that differentiated from GT3T. i would trade mine car for car in a hot minute.

the last frontier is weight savings. 80lbs is not very much without a complete rethink.

n2cars

This whole thread has gotten me depressed. Now I'm hoping I don't get the call to come and spec the S/T at mrsp.

95spiderman

main difference from gt3 to rs is downforce aero and adjustability from steering wheel controls. st does not have either of those 2 things so what is the differentiation from gt3t? slight hp bump, slight weight loss, slight styling change is not really much. only real thing is limited availability. meh.

GrantG

I am not the target market for a Touring, but I would think one of the biggest attractions for those buyers is the redesign of the more compliant suspension focused on road use (Touring keeps track suspension from Winged car).

AdamSanta85

It's just a 992 GT3T with different body panels, engine, transmission, suspension, and wheels.

cosmos

and Santa is a big fat man with a white beard who wears a red suit.

Whats your point? If you’re point is, it’s just those things, it’s so much more than the sum of its parts which by the way is magnesium, more carbon and some really cool go fast parts.

This is the same argument as the M3 to M3 CS. Every f80 owner was screaming that there was no difference except some carbon fiber, yet every f80 owner who drive one was like, wow!!