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trlin 10-22-2021 09:33 PM

Brake pad fade
 
After a couple good sessions today noticed significant loss of bite when braking after about 10 minutes on track. The first ten minutes plenty of bite and then they went numb. 991 GT3 pads never seemed to suffer to this degree. I also noticed on Suncoasts site they list a new Performance Pad set, are these from Porsche? Has anyone used them yet?

https://www.suncoastparts.com/product/pk992gt3pads.html


ShakeNBake 10-22-2021 10:34 PM

I am guessing the pads used during the reviews are different than what comes on the car in the US. Shame on you Porsche!!!!!

Eric5280 10-22-2021 10:39 PM


Originally Posted by ShakeNBake (Post 17741744)
I am guessing the pads used during the reviews are different than what comes on the car in the US. Shame on you Porsche!!!!!

Hopefully it's just pad compound.

johnr265 10-22-2021 11:53 PM

Was this by any chance on basically new pads? If you haven't driven in anger or bedded the brakes yet, you may have experienced "green fade" or degassing of the pads. When you are bedding brakes, what you just described (along with a stinky smell) are a sign you got them heated up enough to degas. Let them cool by driving a few miles without using brakes, let them cool 24 hours, and they should be good to go. Otherwise, perhaps you boiled your fluid?

disden 10-23-2021 12:03 AM

As i wrote on another post had same issue, about 10-15 minutes in Pedal started to get long. Lack of replacement options at current moment sadly

Mech33 10-23-2021 12:26 AM


Originally Posted by disden (Post 17741846)
As i wrote on another post had same issue, about 10-15 minutes in Pedal started to get long. Lack of replacement options at current moment sadly

I doubt it is the rotors. I’d swap some 991 track pads in there and do a fluid change and call it done for now.

disden 10-23-2021 12:28 AM


Originally Posted by Mech33 (Post 17741869)
I doubt it is the rotors. I’d swap some 991 track pads in there and do a fluid change and call it done for now.

changed fluid yesterday, pads on backorder, but have some old 991.2 Track pads with some life left, will try them out

henrus 10-23-2021 01:16 AM


Originally Posted by trlin (Post 17741666)
After a couple good sessions today noticed significant loss of bite when braking after about 10 minutes on track. The first ten minutes plenty of bite and then they went numb. 991 GT3 pads never seemed to suffer to this degree. I also noticed on Suncoasts site they list a new Performance Pad set, are these from Porsche? Has anyone used them yet?

https://www.suncoastparts.com/product/pk992gt3pads.html

are the carbon brakes or steel?

Il CP 10-23-2021 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by disden (Post 17741846)
As i wrote on another post had same issue, about 10-15 minutes in Pedal started to get long. Lack of replacement options at current moment sadly

Sounds like fluid fade, not pad fade. Get some SRF in there and see how we do.

GrantG 10-23-2021 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by Il CP (Post 17741991)
Sounds like fluid fade, not pad fade. Get some SRF in there and see how we do.

Some people reported warped (or warped feeling) rotors and loud sounds which implies issue with pads at minimum and maybe rotors too.

Il CP 10-23-2021 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by GrantG (Post 17741998)
Some people reported warped (or warped feeling) rotors and loud sounds which implies issue with pads at minimum and maybe rotors too.

i was just commenting on the long pedal.

disden 10-23-2021 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by Il CP (Post 17742012)
i was just commenting on the long pedal.

changed to Motul 660 a few days ago, running Barber next weekend so will let you know. Usually before I track my cars this is first thing I change, but ran out of time! This car out the showroom floor is pretty epic

trlin 10-23-2021 09:27 AM

I had done 4-5 sessions previously over two days before this, albeit at slower speed. Yesterday was my first day pushing hard. I don't think it was fluid as the pedal wasn't mushy, it was hard, just no bite. Degassing is possible. Will be curious to hear what Disden says after next weekend.

I'm still surprised to see the "Porsche Performance Pads" available and only as a set. It does make me think they changed compounds from the 991 pads which were very good.

ParadiseGT3 10-23-2021 10:29 AM

Interesting that they might have gone with a less aggressive, track ready compound this time around. Seems implied with that sport pad option.

Running fluid + RSL1 + Girodisc and I think the improvement on the stock 991.2 system is barely perceptible over the course of a session.

ParadiseGT3 10-23-2021 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by GrantG (Post 17741998)
Some people reported warped (or warped feeling) rotors and loud sounds which implies issue with pads at minimum and maybe rotors too.

That would be pad deposits. Sure sign of a less aggressive pad compound.


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