911 and Profession
#16
There is more truth to that than you may realize. Want to know who the highest paid healthcare provider is in most towns? Cardiac surgeon, neurosurgeon, orthopedic surgeon? Nope, its the orthodontist. Physician pay schedules have been slashed almost every year for the past 2 decades. Dentists on the other hand, have far greater leeway in raising fees and can balance bill. Cost for braces 25 yrs ago was around 2000$. Today its 5-6000$. The most common Medicare surgery on the other hand , cataract removal, reimbursed 3000$ 2 decades ago. Now its a little over 600$. Similar trend for things like colonoscopy and cardiac caths. A lot of those physicians you see aren't driving Hondas because they're necessarily frugal- it's because they have 250-300K in outstanding loans, a couple kids and decreasing pay every year.
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Most of these replies come from people in the health professions. I am the lower end of the scale as I am a University professor who has taught medical students for 38 years. I bought my first new Porsche (a 914 2l) when I was 40 yoa in 1974 and an assistant professor. I subsequently bought new '87, '89, '95, 2013 and 2015 911s. I was fortunate to have a wife who earned a decent, but not spectacular, living. She was a big fan of Porsches. Every time I asked if I could look, she said, "go for it". In addition, beginning with the '89, I made sure I could pay cash for every car otherwise I would not make the plunge.I have paid cash for every Porsche since. Every enthusiast can afford a new Porsche as long as they are temperate in their approach. Imagine! A university professor has owned 6 new Porsches with great thought. We are far from wealthy as the health professionals. We just kept our Porsches for the right time to sell/trade and negotiated nice deals with dealers. For example, I was driving my '87 911 coupe through Columbia, SC on December 23, 1989. We stopped to look at the local Porsche dealer who had a knockout black-on-black '89 Targa in his showroom. We talked about it and negotiated. The bottom line is that I had no check in my posession with reasonable cash and I did not have the title to my '87. I drove home in the Targa on December 26 and mailed them the title and a check on December 28 for $22,000 for the Targa I had just driven home. They had my '87 coupe.
That is how I have bought my Porsches since 1974. Look at my Porsches on my Avatar if anyone is interested.
I only ask for no unkind statements that may come occasionally from Rennlist. I am a long-time member.
That is how I have bought my Porsches since 1974. Look at my Porsches on my Avatar if anyone is interested.
I only ask for no unkind statements that may come occasionally from Rennlist. I am a long-time member.
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pirate949 (09-17-2020)
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I'm 35 and for the last 10 years I've been a wealth management advisor. I now run a private client services team of 8 at one of the largest firms in the industry. I have:
2016 C4S
2017 Panamera
2013 Raptor
2012 Boss 302
I put a ton of money away and my fascination with cars is something that I know will never make sense financially.
That being said I work mostly with business owners, physicians, etc and I tell them all the same: so long as you're on track for your goals that you care about spend your money in ways that make you happy. Who cares what other people think. If you've done the work, save 20-30% of your income, and have your affairs in order who is someone else to judge you on how you spend the other 70-80%?
2016 C4S
2017 Panamera
2013 Raptor
2012 Boss 302
I put a ton of money away and my fascination with cars is something that I know will never make sense financially.
That being said I work mostly with business owners, physicians, etc and I tell them all the same: so long as you're on track for your goals that you care about spend your money in ways that make you happy. Who cares what other people think. If you've done the work, save 20-30% of your income, and have your affairs in order who is someone else to judge you on how you spend the other 70-80%?
Unless you are sitting on a huge pile of cash without significant liabilites, you never know when that stream of income will dry up. The point is get it now. Getting to this point of affording one is enough delayed gratification. At least this is my opinion.
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Also oral surgeon here. Most of my medical colleagues drive "safe" cars such as toyotas and hondas with an occasional acura or lexus or mb. Urologist friend just bought a new jaguar f type convertible and the local radiologist has a 650 convert. and 535, sort of off the curve. However, the hip replacement orthropod has multiple of just about every exotic car available. I had to help him slide his key card into the doctors lot reader once when he showed up in his lambo.
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Doctor.
Lot of assumptions in this thread about physicians, specialty income, etc etc. There are far too many variables to make sweeping statements. There is an exception for every rule and the calling to this field is more than just income. I'll leave it at that.
Lot of assumptions in this thread about physicians, specialty income, etc etc. There are far too many variables to make sweeping statements. There is an exception for every rule and the calling to this field is more than just income. I'll leave it at that.
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Most of these replies come from people in the health professions. I am the lower end of the scale as I am a University professor who has taught medical students for 38 years. I bought my first new Porsche (a 914 2l) when I was 40 yoa in 1974 and an assistant professor. I subsequently bought new '87, '89, '95, 2013 and 2015 911s. I was fortunate to have a wife who earned a decent, but not spectacular, living. She was a big fan of Porsches. Every time I asked if I could look, she said, "go for it". In addition, beginning with the '89, I made sure I could pay cash for every car otherwise I would not make the plunge.I have paid cash for every Porsche since. Every enthusiast can afford a new Porsche as long as they are temperate in their approach. Imagine! A university professor has owned 6 new Porsches with great thought. We are far from wealthy as the health professionals. We just kept our Porsches for the right time to sell/trade and negotiated nice deals with dealers. For example, I was driving my '87 911 coupe through Columbia, SC on December 23, 1989. We stopped to look at the local Porsche dealer who had a knockout black-on-black '89 Targa in his showroom. We talked about it and negotiated. The bottom line is that I had no check in my posession with reasonable cash and I did not have the title to my '87. I drove home in the Targa on December 26 and mailed them the title and a check on December 28 for $22,000 for the Targa I had just driven home. They had my '87 coupe.
That is how I have bought my Porsches since 1974. Look at my Porsches on my Avatar if anyone is interested.
I only ask for no unkind statements that may come occasionally from Rennlist. I am a long-time member.
That is how I have bought my Porsches since 1974. Look at my Porsches on my Avatar if anyone is interested.
I only ask for no unkind statements that may come occasionally from Rennlist. I am a long-time member.
#27
Well the point point of my post is to figure out motivating factors besides money. A lot of people in my field like cars a lot but don't pull the trigger. BTW, psychology was my undergrad major.
#28
I know a number of people who could afford cars far nicer than mine and choose not to. I'm sure you do as well.
Invariably, these people have other pursuits - travel, boats, ranches, farms, beach homes. Then there are the liabilities - multiple kids, multiple wives, excessive debt.
Alot of doctors don't feel comfortable having patients see them drive a nice car. Alot of them are nerds and don't really care about cars.
If you think about it - we're the outliers here.
Invariably, these people have other pursuits - travel, boats, ranches, farms, beach homes. Then there are the liabilities - multiple kids, multiple wives, excessive debt.
Alot of doctors don't feel comfortable having patients see them drive a nice car. Alot of them are nerds and don't really care about cars.
If you think about it - we're the outliers here.
#29
I know a number of people who could afford cars far nicer than mine and choose not to. I'm sure you do as well.
Invariably, these people have other pursuits - travel, boats, ranches, farms, beach homes. Then there are the liabilities - multiple kids, multiple wives, excessive debt.
Alot of doctors don't feel comfortable having patients see them drive a nice car. Alot of them are nerds and don't really care about cars.
If you think about it - we're the outliers here.
Invariably, these people have other pursuits - travel, boats, ranches, farms, beach homes. Then there are the liabilities - multiple kids, multiple wives, excessive debt.
Alot of doctors don't feel comfortable having patients see them drive a nice car. Alot of them are nerds and don't really care about cars.
If you think about it - we're the outliers here.
I can't think of any better vice than performance cars. I guess I'm stuck as a little boy and playing with toy cars.