2008porsche

When you are driving a high end sports car field effeciency is not an issue. It's all about speed, sound, handling and the overall driving experience. The new 991.2 just doesn't give you the whole package. You can spin it all you want but it's just not there. When you have to hire people to computerize the sound in a sports car, you have made a HUGE mistake!! That is what Porsche has done.

Dewinator

Hmm I wanted to be Chancellor! Is it an executive president position or is there a separate CEO?

sticky

Sounds oh so terrible



And, um, isn't the handling and speed better? So WTF are you talking about? What is missing? Definitely not torque...

R_Rated

what you're describing is a tesla, which is faster to 60 than a 911, has better electric gadgetry and is slightly more efficient.

if it's just performance turning then you want a vette or a GTR for a lot less money.

Daekwan

I would have respected your statement more if you said there is not a $50K difference between a 991.1 C2 and a 991.2 C2. But to call the new 991.2 inferior.. makes it seem like you just couldnt afford the upgrade and are now looking for a way to justify it.

I get that some people prefer N/A. But by all means outside of the turbo'd engines.. everything else on the 991.2 is an improvement. Some are pretty major.

sticky

He avoids the GT3 because it is also inferior...

Jenner

Speed: The 991.2 is faster
Handling: The 991.2 handles better and even more so with RWS option.

No need to spin anything. These are facts. Can you explain what is "not there?"

Sound is subjective, but most agree the 991.1 sounds better which is fine. But sound alone doesn't "make the car."

I have no idea what you mean by overall driving experience. What does the 991.2 do worse besides sound? They both share the same 991 platform and interior. Transmissions are very similar with maybe some tweaks to the PDK in the .2 I believe there is better tuned electric power steering in the .2 as well.

Taking sound out totally out of the .1 vs .2 argument, then what is the big issue with the .2? (aside from .1 owners don't own a .2 and feel the need to defend what they own. I GET that you own it and you will ALWAYS be more emotionally and financially invested in what YOU own and that's fine)

I don't understand why there is so much anger against the .2 from the .1 and I've never seen a car make/model specific forum with owners against each other over a model year refresh.

I've owned several Porsche of ALL different types and years: air cooled, air cooled turbo, water cooled, water cooled turbo, GT3 and GT4, coupes, cabs and Targa. I have tracked nearly all of them and the 991.2 I drove @ PEC was amazing on the track. I have modified the exhaust on all of them. I have no issues with the 991.2 turbo engine or the sound. Sure the .2 wasn't loud enough but I've modified every exhaust on every performance car I've owned. I am thrilled with the Fabspeed exhaust package I put on.

Not the best video but sounds like a throaty boxer engine with a some turbo whistle mixed in at times (not me in the video):


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I enjoy the sound, even more so when the top is down. I'm sorry if you don't but why the need to force your opinion on the sound on everyone else? I don't get what you guys are all on about. I don't ever feel the need to come on to Rennlist and post negative comments about the .1 but it seems like all you .1 guys (esp R_Rated) want to do is **** all over the .2 which really isn't that different from your own .1 (except its faster and handles better )

Where is the mutual Porsche/911 respect? Why is there so much negativity?

Archimedes

Other than sound, the .2 is a better car. Not sure why it's even a debate. I'm still not sold on buying one, but it's definitely a better car than my .1

By the way that Affymetrix exhaust a few posts above sounds awful. And that whistle! That goddam whistle. That would drive me nuts.

visitador

Wait till you bring in the 997.2 guys. They'll troll on all of us

Kennethjk

what a thread, my head hurts, I should have stopped reading a long time ago but couldn't help myself

a lot of emotions over people opinions, oops, sounds like our political system.

2008porsche

Guys.... I never said .2 was inferior nor did I say .1 was better. They are different. I prefer NA engine due to the sound which for me is part of the overall experience. Why can't all you guys just say .2 is different not better. Does one have to be better than the other. I do and will argue that Porsche should not have went to all Turbo engines (GT3 is the exception for now). To go from offering both Turbo and non Turbo to only Turbo is a mistake imo.

Dewinator

Yeah I agree, I feel like on this forum you can't go "well the new has some improvements but not for me, I still like the old school engine" without 800 people jumping on you "what??! No you have to like the new one better! I'll prove it with graphs! It's so many times better in every way! You're so dumb!". They seem very sensitive to any suggestion that it's not the perfect car for every person.

Porsche_nuts

+991

KenTO

Some facts about the 991.2 GTS, thanks to Total911 (I'm expecting delivery of one in July):

1) The most powerful Carrera yet

We’ll say that again, 450hp, that up 30hp on the 420hp Porsche 911 Gen1 GTS it replaces. Astonishingly, that’s just 6hp shy of what the Porsche 959 produced, or, if you want a more contemporary reference, it’s the same power as a 997 Gen2 GT3 RS. Damn. Don’t you just love progress?


2) More torque than a GT3 RS

That hp figure is backed with some substantial twist, the boosted output of the 9A2 engine seeing its torque output increase from 500Nm in a Carrera S, to 550Nm from 2,150rpm right through to 5,000rpm. By comparison a 991 GT3 RS or 911 R only manages 460Nm, and at far higher revs…


3) Quicker than an R, faster than a GT3 RS

The quickest accelerating Porsche 911 GTS is the Carrera 4 GTS Coupe with PDK, it reaching 62mph in a 911 R bettering 3.6 seconds. You’ll not match that outright sprinting ability in the ‘true’ GTS manual Coupe, but with rear-wheel drive it makes the most of its lesser mass, being the fastest, with a quoted top speed of 194mph.

991.2 is a fantastic car.

dgjks6

Is this thread still going? The 991.2 is .1 better than the 991.1.

That makes the 996.2 5 better

And that makes the 997.2 the best 911 ever.

It's a coincidence I drive 997.2 BTW