Door panel top detaching ?
#61
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I'm not near the car at the minute, but basically on the replacement panel I can push down the middle section a little, and from outside you can see 2-3mm of panel sticking out in the middle, which is not the case on the edges. Maybe that's how they come but I am pretty sure when brand new it was totally even.. Still a vast improvement over the previous 1/2" lift that showed a gap under the panel !! I'll try a pic is significant - I have not cared much because of the dealer's 2y warranty on parts and labor and I'll have them redo it before then if necessary...
#62
Had both my panels done last week. Passenger side was obviously lifting/warped, drivers side was very loose so they replaced them both. When I called my SA, I asked him if he wanted me to swing by to inspect before they ordered parts. We have a great relationship and he said, "Nah man, I know you know what you're talking about and this is a common problem, I'll just order the parts and call you when they get in."
Two new door panels, car's good as new. My SA said he's got a local upholstery guy looking in to an inexpensive fix for customers now that folks are coming out of warranty because the replacement costs are ridiculous (as mentioned previously). He also told me to be sure to check my panels again right before my CPO expires. The car is almost five years old now, so I doubt they'll go bad again before the warranty expires. Hopefully Porsche did some re-engineering on these things and my new panels are "better" than the originals.
I was thinking this is an easy DIY fix. Rough up the hard plastic underneath to ensure your choice of adhesive sticks well and then just glue them down. But the side impact airbags has me wondering. If they come out and between the hard plastic and padded/leather area then you wouldn't want to use super strong adhesive. If they come out under the hard plastic and between that and the window you'd be alright gluing them down. I'd need to look closely at a car that deployed side airbags to figure that out though.
Two new door panels, car's good as new. My SA said he's got a local upholstery guy looking in to an inexpensive fix for customers now that folks are coming out of warranty because the replacement costs are ridiculous (as mentioned previously). He also told me to be sure to check my panels again right before my CPO expires. The car is almost five years old now, so I doubt they'll go bad again before the warranty expires. Hopefully Porsche did some re-engineering on these things and my new panels are "better" than the originals.
I was thinking this is an easy DIY fix. Rough up the hard plastic underneath to ensure your choice of adhesive sticks well and then just glue them down. But the side impact airbags has me wondering. If they come out and between the hard plastic and padded/leather area then you wouldn't want to use super strong adhesive. If they come out under the hard plastic and between that and the window you'd be alright gluing them down. I'd need to look closely at a car that deployed side airbags to figure that out though.
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I'm not near the car at the minute, but basically on the replacement panel I can push down the middle section a little, and from outside you can see 2-3mm of panel sticking out in the middle, which is not the case on the edges. Maybe that's how they come but I am pretty sure when brand new it was totally even.. Still a vast improvement over the previous 1/2" lift that showed a gap under the panel !! I'll try a pic is significant - I have not cared much because of the dealer's 2y warranty on parts and labor and I'll have them redo it before then if necessary...
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I was thinking this is an easy DIY fix. Rough up the hard plastic underneath to ensure your choice of adhesive sticks well and then just glue them down. But the side impact airbags has me wondering. If they come out and between the hard plastic and padded/leather area then you wouldn't want to use super strong adhesive. If they come out under the hard plastic and between that and the window you'd be alright gluing them down. I'd need to look closely at a car that deployed side airbags to figure that out though.
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There has, in fact, been at least one report of warped leather panels that seems credible. 'Genesis' on Planet-9 didn't provide any photos of the warping itself, though. My first guess/hope was that they were mistaken about having leather on the upper door panel, but the same user also reported a headliner problem with a photo that confirmed that they do.
#69
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I'm supposed to get the word on whether or not mine will be replaced under warranty tomorrow. Fingers crossed.
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So, I'm not going for a best director oscar here... Just wanted to answer previous question and show how much deflection I already see on the middle part of my replacement panels in 6 months or so... FYI the passenger side door is solid. No deflection. Driver side as you can see already moves maybe 1/4" so i sincerely doubt that the "new" panel (if that is what I got) will last any longer than the old. I imagine by the time the repair is out of warranty it'll pop up enough to warrant replacement again.
#71
Anything will warp given enough time/sunlight/heat,.....I would tend to believe the glue that holds the panel material down simply seeps in more to leather compared to vinyl, that is why you don't see too many leather failures. As time goes buy you will see more I would think.
#72
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My 2013 911 has this separation; Is this what you guys are taking about? It seems as though the panel is separating from the door. Drivers side and passenger side.
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yes....
But the video was a NEW replacement panel for the problem you picture above. Which leads me to believe the replacement panels are just as defective, long term.
But the video was a NEW replacement panel for the problem you picture above. Which leads me to believe the replacement panels are just as defective, long term.
#74
I believe by design they all can be lifted up (no glue) because the side impact airbag comes up through there. The issue, which Porsche covers under warranty by replacing them, is when the material bows-up/warps on its own. It literally looks wavy just sitting there on its own.
#75
Burning Brakes
Damn. That vid I was a new door panel. That sucks. I thought it was a glue problem that has been fixed.