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So I saw what I believe was a Singer 911 yesterday...parked in the street no less...it could be a tribute car as I am not familiar with all the details of this series of "re-imagined 911's"...

Question for the Water-Cooled 991 crowd:

Do you really see value and believe these cars are worth $400-$500,000?

Does the Singer 911 cost anywhere near $400K or $500,000 to produce?


Personally, i enjoyed the look and details that I could see---but what I enjoyed most was that an "old" 911 had lines that are from another period of design (still clearly 911)---and that an old car has charm because of its age---like an attractive older woman that has aged well but is clearly not 22 and is all the better for it.

$500K is a huge amount of money for what is not rare other than being supplied/built by a particular person. Many (not all) individuals possess the 911 expertise to build such a 911.

It seems that the R Gruppe started the trend or at least brought it to my attention---I can see where $100K or even $150K on a very specially prepared 964 series 911 would have interest and have some "real value". I believe that any respected 911 specialty shop could replicate the product for $150K or even $200K---maybe I am wrong and these Singer 911's are simply that expensive to produce?

The Singer 911 seems (I have not or probably never will get the chance to drive a Singer 911) to be another statement for wealthy people to own something simply because they can and most others cannot afford to purchase....including me. I could buy a Singer 911, but not "afford" one by my own self-imposed financial responsibility---maybe this post would eliminate me from being considered as a potential client of which there are apparently--many.

The Singer 911 seems counter to the very statement and purpose of the original 911--The peoples "intelligent" sports car that performs well above its price point.


Your Opinion? I want the 991 crowd opinion so I posted on this forum.


Cheers

Hurricane

If I ever won the lottery...a Singer would be in my garage...

nal13

A singer 911 is going to cost 400-500 k from the source and you may be waiting for up to a year. There is not a single one that I can find on the second hand market online but I would assume it would be significantly more then the cost new if one was available. Any review ever written basically says the car IS that good. At caffeine and carburetors in New Canaan this last fall, there was both a singer 911 and a 911 r in the Porsche section. More people were interested in the singer. The basis for the two is similar but the singer is smaller and lighter. It's also far rarer. Furthermore, the craftsman ship is impeccable. It's a work of art that will give you the most pure experience currently available. That is why a singer, like a 911 r, will always hold its value and remain one of the most sought after porsches

dloines

I have seen 2 in person sat in one (didn't get to go for a drive) and the fit and finish, paint and attention to detail is amazing (and should be for that price). Singers are very cool and unique versions of the 911. It is basically a one-off custom car that you spec every detail. The motor is blue printed and handbuilt, so for all that manual labor and uniqueness justifies the $400 - $500K price tag. Not sure how many have been made or will continue to be made, but the resale should be great.

I don't believe many people buy one for a daily driver, but it would be interesting to know how the maintenance and service and adjustments are handled, Porsche dealer? or does Singer have recommended independent service locations.

its the ultimate more money than brains car.....

rk-d

I don't really think of Singers as 911s. They are a wet-dream version of a 911. Long-nose with wide body and the guts of the 964 and motorsport bits here and there. Totally bespoke interior. At 4000 man-hours to build, it would appear to be worth the money. All indications are that it is an exquisitely made car, though I've never seen one.

Even if I could spend $500k on a single car, I wouldn't. I'd be too scared to drive the thing. A beautifully sorted and restored 993 Turbo, however, would be a lovely thing to own. Maybe one of these days...

Ski Porsche

There were at least three at the last Rennsport Reunion, including a Targa. I've followed the progress of the company since early on and I think they're worth the money. They're a compilation and distillation of the air-cooled 911 built to the highest standard. I could buy one, but honestly can't afford to spend that kind of money on a car. Plus, I wouldn't have time for much else in my life because, when I wasn't or couldn't be driving it, I'd be sitting in my garage staring at it.

mwjackson92

I think these cars are worth $500k, and I wouldn't be surprised if their margin on these is fairly slim... 4000 man hours for skilled California labor, along with expensive materials and parts. I imagine they might begin to charge more, since the demand is so high and their customers can easily afford these commissions.

BlackBeauty

I've seen a number of them - they're spectacular and worth every penny. As noted, none are on the second hand market - that about sums it up.

R_Rated

I'd rather have one than any other car in that price range.

PantsFire

I think the same.

They are incredible cars.

tstafford

I think it's very cool but it does nothing for me. I'm not a collector. I love Porsche but only as a DD that I'm okay running up the miles on and getting some paint chips here and there.

But I'd love to see one in person some time.

Grunty

In the grand scheme of things if I were presented with the opportunity to have any car available, regardless of cost, I'd take a geyser grey singer done up to aesthetically complement my 50th. I would be happy with that choice forever.

Rsess

There is one in the showroom at pfaff in Toronto. It's the owners own car. And it is for sale.

KenTO

Singers are awesome, I could see me getting one in a few years. I would not like one used however, part of the appeal would be speccing one out to your own taste. It would definitely be a low mileage garage queen for me, more like a work of art that I would take out once a week in summer.

Price is what the work costs, but it's not that much more than an F12 or Aventador, and more unique.

Grunty

To put this into proper perspective: this mattress costs 140k. The Vividus mattress.

I am ok with 500k for a unique, bespoke car in a world where people spend more on a watch.