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The purpose of this this thread is for 991.2 owners to share knowledge, experience, ideas and thoughts.
Its a place where prospective buyers may gather a range of information that may help them in their choice of model and key elements that may add or detract from a particular build.
Its a positive place to discuss Specifications, Reviews, Performance and Builds.
I will reserve a number of slots at the beginning of the thread to add information provided by others within the thread - e.g. to provide a condensed series of components.
To 991.1 and other model/marque owners that may want to contribute some information please do so keeping in mind the thread title and purpose.
911 Carrera Coupe (base) - official Porsche
cylinders - six
displacement - 2981 cm3
max 272kW, 370HP at 6500rpm
torque 450Nm (1750-5000rpm)
redline - 7500rpm
compression ratio - 10:1
Turbo - 49mm compressor/45mm turbine
front axle - McPherson strut
rear axle - multi link
turning circle 11.2m (rear axle steering not available on the base model)
brakes front - 330mm vented and cross drilled, four piston mono block fixed caliper
brakes rear - 330mm vented and cross drilled, four piston mono block fixed caliper
standard wheels - front 8.5x19 offset 50mm, rear 11.5x19 offset 76mm
standard tires - front 235/40x19, rear 295/35x19
911 Carrera Coupe (2S) - official Porsche
cylinders - six
displacement - 2981 cm3
max 309kW, 420HP at 6500rpm
torque 500Nm (1750-5000rpm)
redline - 7500rpm
compression ratio - 10:1
Turbo - 51mm compressor/45mm turbine
front axle - McPherson strut
rear axle - multi link
turning circle 11.2m (less with rear axle steering, available as an option)
brakes front - 350mm vented and cross drilled, six piston mono block fixed caliper (red)
brakes rear - 330mm vented and cross drilled, four piston mono block fixed caliper (red)
standard wheels - front 8.5x20 offset 49mm, rear 11.5x20 offset 76mm
standard tires - front 245/35x20, rear 305/30x20
911 Carrera S Cabriolet - official Porsche
cylinders - six
displacement - 2981 cm3
max 309kW, 420HP at 6500rpm
torque 500Nm (1750-5000rpm)
redline - 7500rpm
compression ratio - 10:1
front axle - McPherson strut
rear axle - multi link
turning circle 11.2m (less with rear axle steering, available as an option)
brakes front - 350mm vented and cross drilled, six piston mono block fixed caliper (red)
brakes rear - 330mm vented and cross drilled, four piston mono block fixed caliper (red)
standard wheels - front 8.5x20 offset 49mm, rear 11.5x20 offset 76mm
standard tires - front 245/35x20, rear 305/30x20
911 Carrera Coupe (4S) - official Porsche
cylinders - six
displacement - 2981 cm3
max 309kW, 420HP at 6500rpm
torque 500Nm (1750-5000rpm)
redline - 7500rpm
compression ratio - 10:1
front axle - McPherson strut
rear axle - multi link
turning circle 11.2m (less with rear axle steering, available as an option)
brakes front - 350mm vented and cross drilled, six piston mono block fixed caliper (red)
brakes rear - 330mm vented and cross drilled, four piston mono block fixed caliper (red)
standard wheels - front 8.5x20 offset 49mm, rear 11.5x20 offset 76mm
standard tires - front 245/35x20, rear 305/30x20
911 Carrera Coupe (2GTS) - official Porsche
cylinders - six
displacement - 2981 cm3
max 331kW, 450HP at 6500rpm
torque 550Nm (2150-5000rpm)
redline - 7500rpm
compression ratio - 10:1
Turbo - 55mm compressor/48mm turbine
front axle - McPherson strut
rear axle - multi link
turning circle 11.1m (10.7m, available as an option)
brakes front - 350mm vented and cross drilled, six piston mono block fixed caliper (red)
brakes rear - 330mm vented and cross drilled, four piston mono block fixed caliper (red)
standard wheels - front 9x20 offset 51mm, rear 12x20 offset 63mm
standard tires - front 245/35x20, rear 305/30x20
Road & Track instrumented test - M7 transmission
Zero to 60 mph: 4.1 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.3 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 15.8 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 23.2 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.4 sec @ 115 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 113 ft
Braking, 80-0 mph: 197 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 1.00 g
Car and Driver instrumented test - PDK (below)
Zero to 60 mph: 3.4 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 8.5 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 14.8 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 4.3 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.6 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 2.8 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 11.9 sec @ 118 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 135 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 1.06 g
Car and Driver - instrumented test - PDK
Zero to 60 mph: 3.1 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 7.5 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 12.9 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 18.5 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 3.9 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.4 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 2.4 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 11.4 sec @ 123 mph
Top speed (drag limited, mfr's claim): 190 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 142 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 1.04 g
Car and Driver instrumented test - PDK (below)
Zero to 60 mph: 3.2 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 7.8 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 13.4 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 19.0 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 4.4 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.5 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 2.6 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 11.6 sec @ 122 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 146 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 1.00 g
911 Carrera Coupe (4S) - official Porsche top speed - 305kmh (manual) 303kmh (PDK)
0-100kmh - 4.2s (manual) 4.0s (PDK)
0-100kmh - 3.8s (sports chrono PDK LC)
0-160kmh - 8.7s (manual) 8.3s (PDK)
0-160kmh - 8.0s (sports chrono PDK LC)
Car and Driver instrumented test (PDK) - below
Zero to 60 mph: 3.2 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 7.8 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 13.6 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 19.6 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 4.3 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.5 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 2.6 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 11.5 sec @ 121 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 147 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 1.04 g
911 Carrera Coupe (2GTS) - official Porsche top speed - 312kmh (manual) 310kmh (PDK)
0-100kmh - 4.1s (manual) 3.7s (PDK sports plus)
0-160kmh - 8.4s (manual) 7.9s (PDK sports plus
0-200kmh - 13.2s (manual) 12.4s (PDK sports plus)
My review at around 1000k, please add your own takes based on your ownership
Background:
I ordered this car last September and recently took delivery. I have done over 1000kms since then in this particular vehicle and have done a number of HPDE sessions in a similar vehicle. For disclosure I also own a 981 GTS.
The specification for the vehicle is as follows, please note a number of the features are standard in Australia (and options in the USA and other countries).
Guards Red Carrera (2)S
Park assist front and rear including reversing camera
Windscreen grey top-tint
Cruise control
Sports seat 14 way with memory package
Ventilated seats
Heated seats
DAB
BOSE
Automatically dimming mirror with integrated rain sensor
Porsche logo and 911 in black
PDLS+ in black
Delete rear wiper
Electrically folding mirrors
Electric glass sun roof
Painted head lamp cleaning system in deviated colour black
PDK
Sports Chrono
PASM
RAS
PSE
Carrera S wheels gloss black
Light design package
GT sport steering wheel
GR Instrument lights
GR Sports chrono dial
Lane change assist
Alcantara sun visors
Standard interior in black
GR C2S
GR Dials and GT Wheel
PDLS+ (black)
OEM pipes - ceramic coated
Overall:
I am very happy with the outcome, for me, the Guards Red colour offset with black highlights (wheels, sunroof, PDLS+ and lettering) really lifts the car. Its a real stand out and the reception is similar to that found with my Racing Yellow GTS (which has similar counterpoints).
I knew the performance driving experience was exceptional having been round a track in a similar spec vehicle. This vehicle, particularly with RAS can give a 991.1 GT3 a very hard time. No ifs, buts or maybes.
Key points, in a straight line this vehicle is very, very quick there is little to no noticeable turbo lag, the response is very linear and under acceleration the car unflinchingly pulls hard to the redline (very hard). Under hard acceleration you get Porsche music, whereas and in contrast, when cruising at 2000 rpm the car is quiet and lacks the boom found in the NA cars (this is not a punt at the NA cars - its a noticeable difference). The 3l twin turbo is a peach, make no mistake.
The tractability is great during daily driving absolute point and shoot.
To PASM or S-PASM
As you can see from the spec above, I opted for standard PASM - for me, this has proven to be the correct choice (please note I do and have done a lot of track hours). In normal mode the standard PASM feel taught, in sport its very taught - so for those of you thinking about S-PASM Vs PASM I would do repeated test drives if you're uncertain. The PASM in my GTS is much more forgiving. Moreover, I just get away with PASM in terms of ground clearance. The take home point is the standard PASM is very effective as is and is pretty taught and robust.
I also opted not to have PDCC - this is purely a driving style issue, I like a little roll to feel the balance of the car, it help me sense how the contact patches are doing (on track). Very little point to PDCC on a street car IMHO.
RAS - game changer
What can I say, I notice this all the time going round low speed corners it simply feels like you're bending to the corner - quite brilliant. On track the difference is significant in terms of time, it gives you an uncanny ability to nail corners and thus maximise exit speed, importantly it delivers a confident corner and this is worth a lot on track. This is an option that benefits everyone from daily to track - I would argue its a must have as it feels that good.
PDK or manual:
For me this is straight forward (I know its not for others), the PDK gear box is one of the best gear boxes out there - add this to sports chrono and you have a devastating performance package. As I have said before there is a whole world of fun to be had with a gear box like this - you can use the stick which now uses race convention moves (forward for down back for up), you can use the paddles or let the box do its own thing. I can promise you one thing, you can not out perform its race logic - not a chance.
PDLS plus
Great invention it works very, very well and the new lights penetrate the gloom like nothing I have had on a car before. If you drive at night, particularly over long distance this is a must have. They literally turn night into day, and the way they adjust is seamless - no sudden changes in brightness - this clearly reduces stress on the eyes as does the enhanced visibility.
PCM:
Much improved in terms of response and practicality - Car Play is OK but nothing special - I use it for Pandora and Spotiy, plus occasional messages. IMHO there is to much emphasis placed on this type of tech, in these types of cars - I want the "tech" to be engineering based - delivering high performance driving - not high performance texting. Sports chrono display on PCM is much improved (I use both SC and HLT).
PSE tips:
In chrome, given the look of the car they had to be black. The solution, take the OEM tips and get them ceramic coated (the material used on my tips is used to coat turbo charger housings) - I think my tips look pretty good now.
Ventilated seats:
They work really well - great in a hot clime, they also appear to work with the heated seats - nice touch.
Conclusion:
The car is a lot of fun, quick, very agile with RAS and can change from Jekkyl to Hyde with the flick of a switch (or push of a button). Very happy with it - a great all rounder.
From Budirichard
991.2 C4S ordered 12/15 sight unseen. Delivered 4/16.
10,755 miles at present from the Car Connect App..
Set of ContiWinter Contact snows on right now.
PDK, SC wouldn't have it any other way, great for traffic as it bumps along itself with ACC set at 20mph.
Great for Track at Road America, Milwaukee Mile, Blackhawk last summer and SnowCross at Road America this winter.
No ugly wing, no noisy exhaust, cruises very nicely on Tollways with ACC and Bose.
CarPlay very limited but the technology took me over 6 hours to understand and implement.
I can communicate with the car by cell and have Security monitoring and Tracking activated.
Multifunction, Heated Sport Steering wheel is just genius, coupled with two Voice Control systems, my hands rarely leave the steering wheel.
Porsche purists look down thier noses at these cars but in truth they are faster, easier to drive and much much safer than your vintage ride - Richard
I'm curious are other owners getting the old school "whoosh" when you WOT? I remember this on Subarus and older turbo cars but I don't have it on my macan and I don't remember it on the m3 or m4 I thought they somewhow minimized the sound.
But with the engine behind me when I open it up I get the blowoff valve sound quite loud.
I'm curious are other owners getting the old school "whoosh" when you WOT? I remember this on Subarus and older turbo cars but I don't have it on my macan and I don't remember it on the m3 or m4 I thought they somewhow minimized the sound.
But with the engine behind me when I open it up I get the blowoff valve sound quite loud.
Is this everyone else's experience?
The sound that I notice with the windows down is a "whheeeeee" sound, more like spool. Also I have the boost in my display and the boost is very variable. I'll try and log some laps with it but there is a lot more going on than meets the eye
When I hit the "magic button" it goes all mechanical sounding in the cabin (elements of air cooled). A whole mish mash of interesting noises. My daughter - hears a deep sound that has "a bit of mongrel" in it. A more complex sound track once you have a few miles on it.
For me, I wish the sound symposer was optional. It sounds so artificial, almost like a really bad duck call. Maybe they consulted the guys from Duck Dynasty.
I've just been too lazy to stuff the pipe in the cabin. If/when I take the bumper off, I'll plug it up at the source.
Also, given the performance advantages of the GTS, are you considering an upgrade to that model?
The sound that I notice with the windows down is a "whheeeeee" sound, more like spool. Also I have the boost in my display and the boost is very variable. I'll try and log some laps with it but there is a lot more going on than meets the eye
When I hit the "magic button" it goes all mechanical sounding in the cabin (elements of air cooled). A whole mish mash of interesting noises. My daughter - hears a deep sound that has "a bit of mongrel" in it. A more complex sound track once you have a few miles on it.
jlee do you have a review of your ride?
Sure I was hesitant and looking for a 991.1 GTS but I missed the window before dealers started pricing them like GT3s.
I think of the 991.2 had a slight refinement in terms of handling. I think it's sharper, I personally wish I had spasm and pdcc, I do think it rides a bit high and I can feel the travel in the suspension especially at higher speeds. But the offset has been great ground clearance and not worrying about it.
Someone said to me that turbos are more practical as a daily so I tried it out and loved it. The additional torque definitely makes it A LOT more fun as a daily. Enough that while i notice some turbo lag it's barely there. The additional torque more than offsets what everyone misses about a naturally aspirated engine. I mean the engine sound and exhaust is lacking, the sport performance exhaust does have a nice burble but the extra oophm is well worth it.
The only thing that is bothering me about the car is this blowoff release. I don't remember it being there and I recently had the vacuum pump replaced so I wonder if the dealer screwed something up.
I will probably upgrade to the GTS because I bought the car used and I think the RWS is a must have after come from a TTS and couple of GT3s. It's amazing how different it feels, it's like the rear end is swinging out vs with rear wheel steering it's nice and tucked in.
Agree with your assessment Jlee. I was hesitant as well, told the dealer "everyone on rennlist says the exhaust sucks and it sounds like a vacuum cleaner and is quiet and bla bla". Drove a base, man its as fast feeling as my .1S - got a GTS allocation and am not looking back. The exhaust being quiet is way overblown IMO, you get on the gas it makes noise.
To be honest, I don't see the point of this thread. Your description: "Its a place where prospective buyers may gather a range of information that may help them in their choice of model and key elements that may add or detract from a particular build" kind of describes the overall purpose of this forum doesn't it? So why try and contain this very broad description in one thread. Almost like you are trying to start your own forum. Just MHO.
Zero to 60 mph: 3.2 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 7.8 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 13.4 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 19.0 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 4.4 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.5 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 2.6 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 11.6 sec @ 122 mph
Top speed (drag limited, mfr's claim): 189 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 146 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 1.00 g
TURBO SIZES
911 Carrera: 49mm compressor/45mm turbine
911 Carrera S: 51mm compressor/45mm turbine
911 Carrera GTS: 55mm compressor/48mm turbine
Also, the Car and Driver test results posted above are for a C2S Cabrio with PDK. The cabrio weighs a couple of hundred pounds more than a coupe, so a coupe is likely to be a tenth quicker through the quarter and to the higher speeds.
Finally, Road & Track tested a base Carrera with the manual transmission and base 19-inch Yokohama Advan Sport V105 tires with the following results:
Road & Track instrumented test -M7 transmission
Zero to 60 mph: 4.1 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.3 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 15.8 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 23.2 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.4 sec @ 115 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 113 ft
Braking, 80-0 mph: 197 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 1.00 g
The biggest criticisms are self inflected - for example I went with standard interior because I was told it was easier to keep clean - wrong, at least in my case it seems to mark way easier - so should have gone leather.
The doors are long - so you have to watch walls other cars etc. Other than that very little, obvious things like the back seats - tiny. The push to pass function is a bit of a gimmick...but the manatino on the wheel is great.
Originally Posted by crossroads
For me, I wish the sound symposer was optional. It sounds so artificial, almost like a really bad duck call. Maybe they consulted the guys from Duck Dynasty.
I've just been too lazy to stuff the pipe in the cabin. If/when I take the bumper off, I'll plug it up at the source.
It doesn't worry me to much - I don't really notice it. What I have found is I like the fact you get plenty of noise when you have your foot buried or when dropping rapidly through gears under hard braking - this contrast quite sharply to the very quiet cabin during long cruising at 2000 rpm (sports). My NA (with PSE) drones at 2000rom and gets annoying on long runs.
Now that the engine has loosened there is a marked mechanical sound - a sense of the old air cooled engines.
Originally Posted by crossroads
Also, given the performance advantages of the GTS, are you considering an upgrade to that model?
No, I love the look of the GTS and spec of the 991.2 GTS. If it came out at the same time as the S I would have gone for one. I also own a 981 GTS so I get the deal and in this instance decided to go for what was available when I put my order in (e.g. S was available GTS wasn't). Also, I'm a bit ambivalent about the wide body, so for me, in this instance I was pretty comfortable with my choice (also I have money down on a .2 GT3 RS - so that was in the back of my mind as well).
One comment I would make - it is worth speccing an S to your taste and then doing the same with a GTS - look at the price difference, if its material to you then make the right decision for you.
03-04-2017, 11:02 PM
The 991.2 Carrera base, S and GTS owners thread
