991.2 GTS Targa-- Front Axle Lifter?
12-20-2018, 12:06 PM
#31
Race Car
I had a 991S with PASM and never scraped, ever.
I have had two 991's (an S and now a GTS) with SPASM (10mm lower than PASM) and only scrape going out of my driveway, unless I take it at an angle.
Targas are PASM only, not SPASM, as others have mentioned. You probably don't need FAL. I didn't get one for my SPASM-equipped 911 and certainly wouldn't have needed it for a PASM-equipped 911.
I have had two 991's (an S and now a GTS) with SPASM (10mm lower than PASM) and only scrape going out of my driveway, unless I take it at an angle.
Targas are PASM only, not SPASM, as others have mentioned. You probably don't need FAL. I didn't get one for my SPASM-equipped 911 and certainly wouldn't have needed it for a PASM-equipped 911.
12-20-2018, 11:08 PM
#33
I have it on mine and I'm glad I do. Some of the transitions I encounter in my area are pretty dramatic and I would definitely scrape the front spoiler if I didn't lift the front. It's very useful to have.
02-03-2019, 05:39 AM
#36
My GT4 didn't come with FAL (wasn't an option). I was worried but I never needed it. Then, to play it safe, I specced my GT3 with FAL, as I thought it may be lower with a longer nose than the GT4. Again, I never needed it. Can't imagine I'll ever spec FAL again. It's a big deal among the GT3 guys for resale but I doubt half of them who have it ever use it but once in a while. With a little patience and good judgment, you can take most inclines at an angle with no problem at all.
02-03-2019, 09:48 AM
#37
I can’t right comment, because I don’t have my car yet.
But I live in NJ. And I used to scrape my AMG GTS all the time. It was a wreck under there. My driveway is pretty flat, with a slight lip at the end. Scraped every time going in and out. It killed me just a little bit each and every time it happened.
Even if if I don’t need it, I’m glad I got it. Simply for the peace of mind.
But I live in NJ. And I used to scrape my AMG GTS all the time. It was a wreck under there. My driveway is pretty flat, with a slight lip at the end. Scraped every time going in and out. It killed me just a little bit each and every time it happened.
Even if if I don’t need it, I’m glad I got it. Simply for the peace of mind.
02-03-2019, 09:55 AM
#38
Three Wheelin'
Anyone that has it usually is happy they do and those who didn't spec it usually find the same reasons for not: Cost, Weight, another item to break.
Well, if cost is the issue then I suppose that applies to every single option Porsche offers. Weight is a non issue unless you track it and being back heavy to begin with any weight up front only helps IMO.
As far as breaking, well I have never heard of one breaking but, if it did it would be covered under warrantee so that is again a moot point.
I have it. I love it. I wouldn't spec another car without it. I use it every time I drive the car. For the ONE time you need it its worth it not to destroy your front spoiler.
Well, if cost is the issue then I suppose that applies to every single option Porsche offers. Weight is a non issue unless you track it and being back heavy to begin with any weight up front only helps IMO.
As far as breaking, well I have never heard of one breaking but, if it did it would be covered under warrantee so that is again a moot point.
I have it. I love it. I wouldn't spec another car without it. I use it every time I drive the car. For the ONE time you need it its worth it not to destroy your front spoiler.
02-03-2019, 10:19 AM
#39
Well, if cost is the issue then I suppose that applies to every single option Porsche offers. Weight is a non issue unless you track it and being back heavy to begin with any weight up front only helps IMO.
As far as breaking, well I have never heard of one breaking but, if it did it would be covered under warrantee so that is again a moot point.
As far as breaking, well I have never heard of one breaking but, if it did it would be covered under warrantee so that is again a moot point.
02-03-2019, 10:23 AM
#40
Three Wheelin'
FORENN: Since you are on the GT3 board.. can you point me to a thread where any Porsche owner had to come out of pocket and pay for repair or replacement of their FAL?
If it fails it will usually fail right off the bat and the FAL is one of those parts that Porsche usually will replace even after warranty, provided you didnt do something foolish to break it.
Never heard of anyone getting a bill to replace or repair FAL from Porsche.
If it fails it will usually fail right off the bat and the FAL is one of those parts that Porsche usually will replace even after warranty, provided you didnt do something foolish to break it.
Never heard of anyone getting a bill to replace or repair FAL from Porsche.
02-03-2019, 10:43 AM
#41
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02-03-2019, 10:48 AM
#42
FORENN: Since you are on the GT3 board.. can you point me to a thread where any Porsche owner had to come out of pocket and pay for repair or replacement of their FAL?
If it fails it will usually fail right off the bat and the FAL is one of those parts that Porsche usually will replace even after warranty, provided you didnt do something foolish to break it.
Never heard of anyone getting a bill to replace or repair FAL from Porsche.
If it fails it will usually fail right off the bat and the FAL is one of those parts that Porsche usually will replace even after warranty, provided you didnt do something foolish to break it.
Never heard of anyone getting a bill to replace or repair FAL from Porsche.
GT3 Forum:
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...n-problem.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...lfunction.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-...functions.html
Turbo Forum:
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-turb...t-problem.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-turb...-problems.html
991 Forum:
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/1100...t-problem.html
02-03-2019, 10:53 AM
#43
Three Wheelin'
1. Nothing mentioned about paying
2. Pump failed in 2014 and replaced under warranty
3. Nothing mentioned about paying and consensus was regarding 997 models. NO 991 FAL failures reported
4. Preowned car, covered under warranty. No cost to owner
5. Recall on a part that was covered under warranty by Porsche. No cost to owner
6. same link twice
7. Turned car off then back on and error went away. No failure, never happened again. Glitch
So, again I ask for a single owner of a 991 who has had FAL failure to come forward and let us know if you had to pay for anything out of pocket.
NOTHING linked above indicates that anyone with a 991 or a 997 ever had to pay for FAL replacement or repair and 991 models had redesigned FAL making them much more reliable.
2. Pump failed in 2014 and replaced under warranty
3. Nothing mentioned about paying and consensus was regarding 997 models. NO 991 FAL failures reported
4. Preowned car, covered under warranty. No cost to owner
5. Recall on a part that was covered under warranty by Porsche. No cost to owner
6. same link twice
7. Turned car off then back on and error went away. No failure, never happened again. Glitch
So, again I ask for a single owner of a 991 who has had FAL failure to come forward and let us know if you had to pay for anything out of pocket.
NOTHING linked above indicates that anyone with a 991 or a 997 ever had to pay for FAL replacement or repair and 991 models had redesigned FAL making them much more reliable.
02-03-2019, 10:59 AM
#44
Three Wheelin'
I would like to add my own experience..
Every time I get the car put on a dyno it gets strapped down front and rear and run hard.
And every time I drive home I get a FAL error saying "FAL fault requires service"
However, every time I turn the car off and back on the error resets and doesn't come back until the next time its strapped down for testing.
In short, many of these annoying errors and bugs just reset themselves after you turn the car on and off. In my case I now know its from the car being strapped down, but it just resets the message.
Nothing wrong with the FAL or requiring any service.
AGAIN. I am a big fan of FAL and think its a wonderful option especially on speed bumps, steep inclines/driveways or in case something gets wedged under the car/spoiler.
In the above links, one guy mentioned running over a sneaker and using FAL to get the car up in order to get the sneaker out..
Every time I get the car put on a dyno it gets strapped down front and rear and run hard.
And every time I drive home I get a FAL error saying "FAL fault requires service"
However, every time I turn the car off and back on the error resets and doesn't come back until the next time its strapped down for testing.
In short, many of these annoying errors and bugs just reset themselves after you turn the car on and off. In my case I now know its from the car being strapped down, but it just resets the message.
Nothing wrong with the FAL or requiring any service.
AGAIN. I am a big fan of FAL and think its a wonderful option especially on speed bumps, steep inclines/driveways or in case something gets wedged under the car/spoiler.
In the above links, one guy mentioned running over a sneaker and using FAL to get the car up in order to get the sneaker out..
02-03-2019, 11:03 AM
#45
1. Nothing mentioned about paying
2. Pump failed in 2014 and replaced under warranty
3. Nothing mentioned about paying and consensus was regarding 997 models. NO 991 FAL failures reported
4. Preowned car, covered under warranty. No cost to owner
5. Recall on a part that was covered under warranty by Porsche. No cost to owner
6. same link twice
7. Turned car off then back on and error went away. No failure, never happened again. Glitch
So, again I ask for a single owner of a 991 who has had FAL failure to come forward and let us know if you had to pay for anything out of pocket.
NOTHING linked above indicates that anyone with a 991 or a 997 ever had to pay for FAL replacement or repair and 991 models had redesigned FAL making them much more reliable.
2. Pump failed in 2014 and replaced under warranty
3. Nothing mentioned about paying and consensus was regarding 997 models. NO 991 FAL failures reported
4. Preowned car, covered under warranty. No cost to owner
5. Recall on a part that was covered under warranty by Porsche. No cost to owner
6. same link twice
7. Turned car off then back on and error went away. No failure, never happened again. Glitch
So, again I ask for a single owner of a 991 who has had FAL failure to come forward and let us know if you had to pay for anything out of pocket.
NOTHING linked above indicates that anyone with a 991 or a 997 ever had to pay for FAL replacement or repair and 991 models had redesigned FAL making them much more reliable.