991.2 Review in European Car Mag
09-06-2016, 04:50 PM
#91
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Originally Posted by BIGWORM
Why on earth would you manual a m5 boat? I can see manual m3/m4. But to manual a m5 or m6 is just silly. Of course you didn't like it. It's
They are just too big and more of a touring car. I have both the M4 and M5. DCT for m5. 6MT for M4.
But to each there own.
They are just too big and more of a touring car. I have both the M4 and M5. DCT for m5. 6MT for M4.
But to each there own.
09-20-2016, 04:31 PM
#94
Three Wheelin'
Already posted in these forums somewhere (Harry's review of 991.2) but thought I would post here anyway because I found it interesting and entertaining.
09-21-2016, 03:29 AM
#95
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They are indeed usable and exhilarating, however...
The point of the journalists argument is that the base gives you the torque in a more linear fashion along with the RPMs (and the sound from engine and exhaust).
Here's my example. I have a 2015 M5 (competition package and 6MT). Although it has lots of torque and is quite fast I don't care for how it delivers the power. It's like you hit the gas and all of a sudden the car just takes off almost uncontrollably under full acceleration (due to turbo boost) without the smooth power deliver accompanied by both the engine RPMs and soundtrack from engine/exhaust. By the time I'm switching to third I'm already doubling or more the doors limit rarely getting out of third gear unless on highway. It's fun for a while but gets old. And for me, this aspect of power makes my car less enjoyable taking away from the driving experience.
It is precisely this mix of power delivery, torque and sound that greatly enhances the enjoyment factor of driving.
The point of the journalists argument is that the base gives you the torque in a more linear fashion along with the RPMs (and the sound from engine and exhaust).
Here's my example. I have a 2015 M5 (competition package and 6MT). Although it has lots of torque and is quite fast I don't care for how it delivers the power. It's like you hit the gas and all of a sudden the car just takes off almost uncontrollably under full acceleration (due to turbo boost) without the smooth power deliver accompanied by both the engine RPMs and soundtrack from engine/exhaust. By the time I'm switching to third I'm already doubling or more the doors limit rarely getting out of third gear unless on highway. It's fun for a while but gets old. And for me, this aspect of power makes my car less enjoyable taking away from the driving experience.
It is precisely this mix of power delivery, torque and sound that greatly enhances the enjoyment factor of driving.
Dumped a 4K mile M4 for just the same reasons. All power is not created equal. Porsche has always been about power/weight, and driving dynamics
09-21-2016, 06:30 AM
#96
1. Getting in and out requires planning. ��
2. Perpetually fogged up windshield, requires that I run defogger most of the time. This could be due to getting in the car sweaty after playing sports, but all windows get immediately fogged and takes awhile to defog them. All of my buddies leave the parking lot while I sit and wait for windows to defog before I can drive away. Annoys me to no end.
3. Wind buffeting. Can't even roll down the window at speed. Six figure car and Porsche can't figure out a way to eliminate the buffeting? Com'n Porsche.
4. Mediocre sound insulation. Lots of wind, tire, road noise at speed over 70mph. Perhaps it's a sports car thing, and others might enjoy the noise, I prefer a quieter cabin when the windows are up. When I want more noise, I roll the windows down.
Sublime driving dynamics. Really enjoy rowing through the gears up and down. Solid acceleration and deceleration, strong brakes, good pedal feel, ideal pedal placement for twofooting and heel toe. Well sorted suspension in Normal setting, even more buttoned up in Sport.
In my view, there isn't a more precise track instrument one can buy new for around 100k. There are faster, more powerful cars that can be had for that coin, but not more tactile and precise.
09-21-2016, 06:52 AM
#97
99% of drivers on this planet will not get close, let alone exceed, the performance potential of base Carrera. The rest is clever marketing.
09-21-2016, 09:52 AM
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Thanks for bringing that in.
Surprising number of reviewers prefer the .2 base engine over the .2 S engine.
In trying to explain the performance difference, though, those reviewers seem to struggle to find the right words. Which makes me wonder if maybe there is no real performance difference. Just a big price difference.
Surprising number of reviewers prefer the .2 base engine over the .2 S engine.
In trying to explain the performance difference, though, those reviewers seem to struggle to find the right words. Which makes me wonder if maybe there is no real performance difference. Just a big price difference.
On a track, the S will be faster but less predictable - like a scaled down version of the early turbos in terms of unpredictable power.
On the 991.1 the S got more goodness and a bigger, linear crescendo. Clearly this proves the 991.1 to be the better car > 991.2.
09-21-2016, 04:02 PM
#101
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Sublime driving dynamics. Really enjoy rowing through the gears up and down. Solid acceleration and deceleration, strong brakes, good pedal feel, ideal pedal placement for twofooting and heel toe. Well sorted suspension in Normal setting, even more buttoned up in Sport.
In my view, there isn't a more precise track instrument one can buy new for around 100k. There are faster, more powerful cars that can be had for that coin, but not more tactile and precise.
In my view, there isn't a more precise track instrument one can buy new for around 100k. There are faster, more powerful cars that can be had for that coin, but not more tactile and precise.
Horses for courses, and personal preference!