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Old 05-04-2016, 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Archimedes
This is what I disagree with and I wonder what car you're driving whenever I read this. My C2S has plenty of torque and I don't have to work for it at all, particularly in commute/traffic situations. It's shockingly torquey compared to the 3.4 in my Cayman S. I'm sure the .2 feels even stronger down low, but the idea that the .1S is lacking in necessary torque is ridiculous.
common guys i also own a 991.1 C2S and at low RPMs it just doesn't have a lot of torque. i do have to drive it aggressively to get brisk acceleration.
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common guys i also own a 991.1 C2S and at low RPMs it just doesn't have a lot of torque. i do have to drive it aggressively to get brisk acceleration.
Would you want it to accelerate briskly when you're not driving aggressively? Are you complaining that you have to downshift in addition to adding throttle when you're at low revs instead of being able to just use the gas pedal? You could always just put it in auto and the computer will do it for you if you don't want to shift it yourself. If you got a manual and you're compaining that you have to shift manually... yeah you should have seen that coming.
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common guys i also own a 991.1 C2S and at low RPMs it just doesn't have a lot of torque. i do have to drive it aggressively to get brisk acceleration.
Then your car has a problem, because all I have to do is press down the right pedal and my C2S goes like a scalded cat, with no need for the revs to build. It's quick right off the bottom, and more than fast enough for the street. I would never trade that for a little more torque at the expense of turbo throttle response.

Hell, my Spyder with the detuned 3.8 rips more than I could ever use on the street.
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Originally Posted by Dewinator
Would you want it to accelerate briskly when you're not driving aggressively? Are you complaining that you have to downshift in addition to adding throttle when you're at low revs instead of being able to just use the gas pedal? You could always just put it in auto and the computer will do it for you if you don't want to shift it yourself. If you got a manual and you're compaining that you have to shift manually... yeah you should have seen that coming.
it is a 7MT and under 4K there's not really that much on tap. i don't want a 991.2 but I do understand what people are saying when they say its likely a better DD. i don't daily this car so i don't really care, revs generally over 4k when i do drive it.

thats all i'm going to say about this topic.
Old 05-04-2016, 09:55 AM
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I think Porsxhe should just make a drag racing model version of the 911 just to shut everybody the **** up about straight line times.
The 911 has never been about racing between the stoplights. There are much cheaper and more capable cars at this available.
The 911 is not all things to all people, but it's pretty damn close.
Old 05-04-2016, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Archimedes
Then your car has a problem, because all I have to do is press down the right pedal and my C2S goes like a scalded cat, with no need for the revs to build. It's quick right off the bottom, and more than fast enough for the street. I would never trade that for a little more torque at the expense of turbo throttle response.

Hell, my Spyder with the detuned 3.8 rips more than I could ever use on the street.
Spyder! Nice acquisition.
Old 05-04-2016, 11:54 AM
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More torque is good so a plus for the 991.2. There are 2 main ways to get more torque. More displacement or turbo. I just wish they had gone for more displacement. The cafe/pollution laws prevented that. Sigh.
Old 05-04-2016, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by systemr
common guys i also own a 991.1 C2S and at low RPMs it just doesn't have a lot of torque. i do have to drive it aggressively to get brisk acceleration.
This... I had a 2013 C4S for 27 months and just shy of 19,000 miles. Great car. Loved it. Tried to buy it buy it but residual was too high.... BUT.... there were plenty of times (think stop sign where you roll thru and stay in 2nd) where the lack of torque was very noticeable. I recall many times where I wanted some low down grunt and it just wasn't there.

I read all the posts about NA, engine noise, etc. and do agree the .1 is a great car, great sound with and w/o PSE but its no torque monster... sometimes (like 5am) I didn't want to rev the hell out it and wished for more torque.

So, when my lease was up and I didn't buy my car, I found a great 991 TT and bought it... guess what. Too much torque. Numb, clinical, heavy and boring... but man is it fast!!!

So... I am getting a C4S 991.2. Revs, torque, sounds great and new wheel and electronics. Perfect!
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Originally Posted by Michael_s
This... I had a 2013 C4S for 27 months and just shy of 19,000 miles. Great car. Loved it. Tried to buy it buy it but residual was too high.... BUT.... there were plenty of times (think stop sign where you roll thru and stay in 2nd) where the lack of torque was very noticeable. I recall many times where I wanted some low down grunt and it just wasn't there.

I read all the posts about NA, engine noise, etc. and do agree the .1 is a great car, great sound with and w/o PSE but its no torque monster... sometimes (like 5am) I didn't want to rev the hell out it and wished for more torque.

So, when my lease was up and I didn't buy my car, I found a great 991 TT and bought it... guess what. Too much torque. Numb, clinical, heavy and boring... but man is it fast!!!

So... I am getting a C4S 991.2. Revs, torque, sounds great and new wheel and electronics. Perfect!
I can see a C4S needing more grunt. Thats not to say the rest of the line needs it. The 4 is much heavier than a C2S. Turbo will do that model well. As for the N/A I'm sure it's just fine in proper trim. Power kit is more than just fine.
Old 05-04-2016, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jimbo1111
The 4 is much heavier than a C2S.
Can we quantify this? Depending on your definition of "much", this is not the issue. The 3.8 was simply a torque weenie... (I say in jest, no need to get upset)

991.1 or 991.2 just drive what you like... again I loved my 2013 991.... I'm sure I will love the .2 as well and enjoy the torque. All good!
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Yeah I get it. A year ago, if you were doing 50 in 7th at 2k rpm and pulled out to pass and stomp on the gas, your passenger would say "you're in the wrong gear idiot! learn to drive!" now it's "oh that engine doesn't produce many torques down low, you need to spend another $100k upgrading to the smaller engine with turbos".
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Well now. Someone doesn't like being blown!
Old 05-04-2016, 05:17 PM
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I don't know why Porsche doesn't just go all the way with the 911 and offer a CV transmission!............
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The 4 is much heavier than a C2S
I don't think the 120 lbs or so is very much.
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Originally Posted by Dewinator
Yeah I get it. A year ago, if you were doing 50 in 7th at 2k rpm and pulled out to pass and stomp on the gas, your passenger would say "you're in the wrong gear idiot! learn to drive!" now it's "oh that engine doesn't produce many torques down low, you need to spend another $100k upgrading to the smaller engine with turbos".
So true, pdk has spoiled many. They want the computer to pick the best gear. If that doesn't do than strap a jet motor to the back.


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