991.2-Will they sell?
05-01-2016, 06:38 PM
#61
Meh I feel like engineerig and manufacturing standards have come so far in the past 10 years that it really doesn't matter any more. With the exception of a Land Rover, you can expect any new car, even a Kia or something the first year it's made, to be relatively trouble free for over 100k miles. That's why dealers try to harp on extended warrenties so much, because they amount to essentially printing money.
Higher quality cars do get extensive testing to work bugs and get the user interface and feel and stuff right... find problems like panels creaking in hot weather or an indicator switch that needs too much wheel turn to release, they're not re-engineering the motor after road testing begins, they already know how it's going to operate.
Higher quality cars do get extensive testing to work bugs and get the user interface and feel and stuff right... find problems like panels creaking in hot weather or an indicator switch that needs too much wheel turn to release, they're not re-engineering the motor after road testing begins, they already know how it's going to operate.
05-01-2016, 06:44 PM
#62
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Meh I feel like engineerig and manufacturing standards have come so far in the past 10 years that it really doesn't matter any more. With the exception of a Land Rover, you can expect any new car, even a Kia or something the first year it's made, to be relatively trouble free for over 100k miles. That's why dealers try to harp on extended warrenties so much, because they amount to essentially printing money.
Higher quality cars do get extensive testing to work bugs and get the user interface and feel and stuff right... find problems like panels creaking in hot weather or an indicator switch that needs too much wheel turn to release, they're not re-engineering the motor after road testing begins, they already know how it's going to operate.
Higher quality cars do get extensive testing to work bugs and get the user interface and feel and stuff right... find problems like panels creaking in hot weather or an indicator switch that needs too much wheel turn to release, they're not re-engineering the motor after road testing begins, they already know how it's going to operate.
Yep. The 992 mule has already had extensive testing....and a lot more to come.
05-01-2016, 07:14 PM
#63
Yep. Porsche tests extensively. Any of you original 991 GT3 owners want to comment? Warranty? That will protect your money, not your time and grief. As I said, never it's first year. I'm sure those GT3 owners were glad they had a warranty. Too bad they were out a car for 6 months. I'm sure the 991.2 won't have that problem but I'll still wait for some real world owners do their real world testing for me.
05-01-2016, 07:29 PM
#64
Race Director
Originally Posted by subshooter
Yep. The 992 mule has already had extensive testing....and a lot more to come.
On their third engine version too.
05-01-2016, 07:40 PM
#65
To be fair isn't the 9A2 a development of the 9A1? Not exactly "all new" as the 9A1 was when it was released to solve M96 issues, right?
And I wouldn't say the 9A1 is "perfect", wasn't there issues with the race engines not changing over until this year I think? Not to mention the engine hesitation issue.
And I wouldn't say the 9A1 is "perfect", wasn't there issues with the race engines not changing over until this year I think? Not to mention the engine hesitation issue.
05-01-2016, 07:40 PM
#66
Those GT3 owners are part of Porsche extensive testing program. They test their GT3 engine on the track and if it break, Porsche will replace one for them. 
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...-repalced.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...-repalced.html
05-01-2016, 08:24 PM
#67
Race Director
Originally Posted by LnC993
Those GT3 owners are part of Porsche extensive testing program. They test their GT3 engine on the track and if it break, Porsche will replace one for them.
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...-repalced.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...-repalced.html
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05-01-2016, 09:40 PM
#68
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I am sure the 991.2 is great car. That isn't my problem. My problem is buying ANY new car in it's first year of production. Brand new engine. I wouldn't touch it for 1-2 years. 2 weeks ago at our car's n coffee a member brought out his GT3RS. He just got it out of the shop. The RWS system had to be replaced and needed special alignment. He was told that if it wasn't under warranty it would have cost 7-8K. The dealer was not sure why the system had "loosened up". If I was going to get a 991.2 (unlikely) I would wait for the 991.2 GTS. It will be the best of the breed and all the kinks will be ironed out. But I do want to thank all you new buyers for testing it out for me in the meantime.
Good point regarding to first year of production of a brand new engine. 991.1's engine has been extremely solid and hope the new 3.0 turbo can hold up just as well.
That RWS alignment issue is interesting. That RWS option is one of big selling point for me regarding to 991.2 and I haven't come across any other RWS issue mentioned from GT3/GT3 RS forum. I hope this is just an isolated issue.
That RWS alignment issue is interesting. That RWS option is one of big selling point for me regarding to 991.2 and I haven't come across any other RWS issue mentioned from GT3/GT3 RS forum. I hope this is just an isolated issue.
Not sure it really counts as a brand new tech.
05-02-2016, 11:06 AM
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05-02-2016, 11:09 AM
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I think so. There were a number of Japanese cars that had this. Its nothing new but I'm a little bit skeptical since the tech is decades old yet it's not common equipment in more performance cars. If it was that much of a performance gain, wouldn't more cars have it? Porsche is the value sports car so it's not like only the uber exotic/ expensive have it - they don't.
05-02-2016, 11:18 AM
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I think so. There were a number of Japanese cars that had this. Its nothing new but I'm a little bit skeptical since the tech is decades old yet it's not common equipment in more performance cars. If it was that much of a performance gain, wouldn't more cars have it? Porsche is the value sports car so it's not like only the uber exotic/ expensive have it - they don't.
I really like it on my GT3. You can really tell the difference in quick lane changes, slalom competitions, etc. It works.
05-02-2016, 12:14 PM
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Yes a number of Japanese brands introduce 4WS back in the 80s including Honda, Mazda, Nissan and Toyota. Most lost interest in the 90s and dropped it. However, most recently, manufacturers have started to show a renewed interest in it including Ferrari who just introduced it on the GTC4Lusso.
I really like it on my GT3. You can really tell the difference in quick lane changes, slalom competitions, etc. It works.
I really like it on my GT3. You can really tell the difference in quick lane changes, slalom competitions, etc. It works.
In theory I get why it would be advantageous but my mental block is that for a technology that's been around this long, yet not widely adopted - there needs to be some questioning... that's my only point. Porsche engineers are a whole lot smarter than I but I am curious - why now?
05-02-2016, 01:48 PM
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