991.2 reviews
11-08-2015, 04:41 PM
#46
Rennlist Member
I suggest everyone goes back and watches this original review of the 991 by Chris Harris
Or, this one from Auto express
The only, and I mean only, thing they make any kind of negative remark about is the steering...but then it's only a very small gripe. And what they all say is that while it might lack a bit of feel, it is much more accurate....the "worlds finest sports car"
Or, this one from Auto express
The only, and I mean only, thing they make any kind of negative remark about is the steering...but then it's only a very small gripe. And what they all say is that while it might lack a bit of feel, it is much more accurate....the "worlds finest sports car"
11-08-2015, 04:42 PM
#47
A legendary racing driver Walter Röhrl once said
“We need to go to turbocharging to reduce emissions,” he said. “How else can we get C02 levels below 95g?
“But no matter how good a turbo engine is, it can never have the pure response of a naturally aspirated engine. This is the reason I bought a Boxster Spyder, because engines like this won’t be made anymore.”
“We need to go to turbocharging to reduce emissions,” he said. “How else can we get C02 levels below 95g?
“But no matter how good a turbo engine is, it can never have the pure response of a naturally aspirated engine. This is the reason I bought a Boxster Spyder, because engines like this won’t be made anymore.”
11-08-2015, 04:45 PM
#48
Rennlist Member
I apologize to others on this board, my previous post was not meant to disparage the 991 911 which is an excellent luxury sport sedan. In response to archimedes----Ring time is not the sole measure of sports cars driven primarily for personal enjoyment. The GTS Nismo is much faster than the 991 on the ring, but its like driving a video game but requires no real understanding of how to drive or manage the steering, brakes, and weight of a car. The 991 is faster than the 997 for one reason (one of the two reasons that robbed it of its sport car title and of its joy). The reason for the improved ring time was that the 991 wheelbase was made 4 inches longer and an inch wider compared to the 997. A much bigger platform for the wheels makes the car much more stable, just like a Lamborghini is stable because it is enormous. So yeah, the Ring time went up, but enjoyment went down. No one is measuring my time into work, I don't race for a living, but I measure how much I enjoy driving my cars. Every inch Porsche adds the the 991 wheelbase removes road and handling feel, which are essential to day to day driving pleasure, and both of which have always been better in a 911 than in any comparable car. The second of the two things in the 991 911 is electric steering which is much worse that the 997 hydraulic version for feedback and road feel, and again 911 steering has been a hallmark of perfection in the automotive industry for decades...until the 991. You can say I'm parroting the reviewers, but why do 80% of the reviewers say the same thing, I wonder? More importantly, I've been racing all types of cars for years, having passed through multiple racing schools and hundreds of hours on the track. Racing teaches you how to evaluate handling, steering, and what the weight of a given car is doing in any given corner, what the steering is telling me when driving any car, and how much of my cars weight is on any of my tire in any corner. So if you drive a 991 and a 997 back to back, and those steering, feedback, and handling differences aren't obvious to you, then unfortunately you are just an average joe driver, which is why you can't distinguish these differences. Again, the 991 911 is a fabulous luxury sports sedan that anyone should be proud to own and drive, but its no longer what a 911 used to be, a sports car first.
Everyone gets to choose then or stick with what they have.
I have friends who have never moved on from their 993's as they wanted to maintain the raw sports car feel. Even though I miss some of the traits of my 997 I do enjoy the 991. It was never about speed for me more about balance and a car that is somewhat challenging to drive. If speed was the motivator there are some amazing cars with great handling that will smoke a 911 but it's not. Thanks for an informative post.
11-08-2015, 04:53 PM
#49
Agricultural, I like the term. And in some ways it really is. It often reminds me of an old car, one that had a production run longer than it should have, given all the shortcomings it had. The car forces the driver to take care of and work around these imperfections. I think the 991 is much easier in that regard. Maybe the 991.2 will regain some of this lost 'character' with the new engines.
11-08-2015, 05:27 PM
#50
Because my point wasn't that the only thing that matters is performance or lap times. It was that your comment that the 991 is a luxury car, rather than a real sports car, is nonsense, Pure rubbish and there are plenty of pro drivers and reviewers that would agree. And your only support is your own subjective opinion on feel and enjoyment.
11-08-2015, 06:28 PM
#51
Wait . . . we've gone from disparaging the 991.2 -- a model no one here has stood alongside of much less driven -- to disparaging the 991.1 as a truckster?
OK, I'll play. The 991: that's the one with the Powerglide transmission, right?
OK, I'll play. The 991: that's the one with the Powerglide transmission, right?
11-08-2015, 10:14 PM
#52
Rennlist Member
We are now leaving the reality zone. What are we going to talk about if the 991.2 turns out to be a relatively good car. Pity the poor exhaust posters.
11-08-2015, 10:20 PM
#53
I think from everything I have heard and read they will retain their resale value more so. They still will not have the killer 991.1 NA sound and instant throttle response. Some feel the looks suffer more on the new car, like the rear intake grill. Than some will say they like it better. Whatever a person wants.
The new car is a good and has slight performance advantage. But there will always be the purists that want that old design more so.
The new car is a good and has slight performance advantage. But there will always be the purists that want that old design more so.
Last edited by stratocaster69; 11-08-2015 at 11:44 PM.
Heres a glass o coke lol
11-09-2015, 12:18 AM
#56
You mean the 991, the car that turned a faster Ring time than any of the prior non-turbo/GT 911s and faster than the brand new GT4 that everyone thinks is the best sports car ever made? You mean that car is not a sports car anymore?
Please, this 'the 991 is a big bloated GT car now' is such absolute nonsense. A lot of people parroting the same inaccurate overgeneralization over and over until people start believing it as truth.
Please, this 'the 991 is a big bloated GT car now' is such absolute nonsense. A lot of people parroting the same inaccurate overgeneralization over and over until people start believing it as truth.
The new car will be faster than the previous, we know that is true for every generation. People who value outright performance #s as a measure of good, better, best will undoubtedly think the 991.2 is superior.
Others who value more of the "experience" and in the common case on rennlist that would mean: sound, throttle response, predictability - may prefer the NA engined cars.
People who just recently bought 991s will also want to justify their purchase, so some backlash is expected
Last edited by Skeptikal12; 11-09-2015 at 12:42 AM.
11-09-2015, 12:29 AM
#57
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What's wrong with being comfortable in a sports car?
I like A/C, a nice stereo setup, NAV, and maybe even cupholders. When navigating twisties. Or just hauling *** getting to the track.
Again, is that so bad?
I like A/C, a nice stereo setup, NAV, and maybe even cupholders. When navigating twisties. Or just hauling *** getting to the track.
Again, is that so bad?
11-09-2015, 02:12 AM
#58
The 991 is very GT like - at low speeds. It comes alive after about 80 mph for me. That's when it requires attention. Below that speed it's not sporty at all. The 997 was crazy at 20 mph. It required you to work - even for a Costco run. The 991 never really scares you like the 997 did. Walter Röhrl said that the 991 (GT3) does all the work while the previous generation, good times are achieved by the driver's work. In my opinion, and many others I've spoken to on and off the track, stateside or overseas, the 991 has taken the sports out of sports car.
Performance doesn't equal fun or sportiness. Driver involvement and efforts to discipline the car equal sportiness to me.
Performance doesn't equal fun or sportiness. Driver involvement and efforts to discipline the car equal sportiness to me.
11-09-2015, 07:05 AM
#59
The 991 is very GT like - at low speeds. It comes alive after about 80 mph for me. That's when it requires attention. Below that speed it's not sporty at all. The 997 was crazy at 20 mph. It required you to work - even for a Costco run. The 991 never really scares you like the 997 did. Walter Röhrl said that the 991 (GT3) does all the work while the previous generation, good times are achieved by the driver's work. In my opinion, and many others I've spoken to on and off the track, stateside or overseas, the 991 has taken the sports out of sports car.
Performance doesn't equal fun or sportiness. Driver involvement and efforts to discipline the car equal sportiness to me.
Performance doesn't equal fun or sportiness. Driver involvement and efforts to discipline the car equal sportiness to me.