Driving In Sport Plus
10-21-2015, 07:41 AM
#32
"...the SPORT PLUS button. When this is pressed, optional Porsche Active Suspension Managementicon (PASM) switches to ‘Sport’ mode for harder damping and more direct steering and therefore, even more intensive road holding. The trigger threshold for PSM is raised. Agility is perceptibly enhanced when braking for corners with PSM, allowing even sportier braking and exit acceleration. For even greater dexterity, PSM can be set to standby while the car is still in SPORT PLUS mode. For safety, it is set to intervene automatically only when ABS assistance is required. ...Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) is geared up for the shortest possible shift times and optimum shift points, while torque boosts during gear changes provide the maximum acceleration available. This involving experience is further enhanced by overrun downshifts and the throttle-blip function for uncompromising driving pleasure."
But the you probably already knew that ......
10-21-2015, 10:24 AM
#33
Three Wheelin'
Yes, we all knew that ;-) Additionaly, I believe in Sport mode, PSM is reactivated when one wheel goes into abs. In Sportplus it waits until two wheels go into abs !
I drive mostly in Sport Mode, PDK manual, PSE ON. Most of my driving is backroads fun driving.
Highway driving is in Normal mode, PDK auto, PSE OFF. Comfy under the radar cruising.
I HATE SportPlus for public roads ! Never ever use it. It is MUCH too violent. Never ever used the launch control either.
On track, outlaps are always in Sport mode, PDK manual. But I sometimes go to SportPlus when I get more aggressive. And sometimes even to PDK Auto mode, depending on what I'm trying to learn or accomplish that session. I'm not a very gifted driver, so I like to take shifting out of the equation sometimes to focus on braking points, turnin points, apexes and so on. And when I get those in check I start throwing things together again.
But still, even on track, I feel SportPlus shifting is way to aggressive. Last time out on a soaking wet track in the rain I had to disable SportPlus because it nearly threw me off track at every shift I did (in a straight line).
I drive mostly in Sport Mode, PDK manual, PSE ON. Most of my driving is backroads fun driving.
Highway driving is in Normal mode, PDK auto, PSE OFF. Comfy under the radar cruising.
I HATE SportPlus for public roads ! Never ever use it. It is MUCH too violent. Never ever used the launch control either.
On track, outlaps are always in Sport mode, PDK manual. But I sometimes go to SportPlus when I get more aggressive. And sometimes even to PDK Auto mode, depending on what I'm trying to learn or accomplish that session. I'm not a very gifted driver, so I like to take shifting out of the equation sometimes to focus on braking points, turnin points, apexes and so on. And when I get those in check I start throwing things together again.
But still, even on track, I feel SportPlus shifting is way to aggressive. Last time out on a soaking wet track in the rain I had to disable SportPlus because it nearly threw me off track at every shift I did (in a straight line).
10-21-2015, 04:34 PM
#34
Rennlist Member
I only use Sport Plus with my PDK around town with the shift lever snapped to the left in the manual mode. Otherwise the downshifts to keep the rpm above 4,000 or so come unexpectedly while watching traffic if you let off on the accelerator to slow down. In manual mode you can control fully up and down with the paddle shifters. In manual you will need to downshift manually or it will coast all the way to a stop, only shifting back to first as you come to a halt.
In just Sport . . . late braking with the PDK shifter in auto mode gives you cool sounding blipping downshifts as you scream up to a stop past other cars, attracting much attention espicially with the Porsche Sport Exhuast.
Face it, that's what we bought these cars for.
In just Sport . . . late braking with the PDK shifter in auto mode gives you cool sounding blipping downshifts as you scream up to a stop past other cars, attracting much attention espicially with the Porsche Sport Exhuast.
Face it, that's what we bought these cars for.
With PDK if you want to explore the rev range above 3k you pretty much have to use manual mode IMO ... Sport+ for me is a track only option.
04-08-2017, 04:37 AM
#35
Instructor
I only use Sport Plus with my PDK around town with the shift lever snapped to the left in the manual mode. Otherwise the downshifts to keep the rpm above 4,000 or so come unexpectedly while watching traffic if you let off on the accelerator to slow down. In manual mode you can control fully up and down with the paddle shifters. In manual you will need to downshift manually or it will coast all the way to a stop, only shifting back to first as you come to a halt.
In just Sport . . . late braking with the PDK shifter in auto mode gives you cool sounding blipping downshifts as you scream up to a stop past other cars, attracting much attention especially with the Porsche Sport Exhuast.
Face it, that's what we bought these cars for.
In just Sport . . . late braking with the PDK shifter in auto mode gives you cool sounding blipping downshifts as you scream up to a stop past other cars, attracting much attention especially with the Porsche Sport Exhuast.
Face it, that's what we bought these cars for.
04-08-2017, 09:23 AM
#37
7 MT Daily Driver here and...
I use either sport or sport+ exclusively in my .2 Mainly for the rev matching and it also turns on PSE. My car is equipped with SPASM and PDCC so I have the button which has the shock absorber/PDCC label. I tried to do some research on this button to help understand the dynamics of the options when turned on. I found the following information with the disclaimer that it is a copy/paste from my research:
"I asked one of the engineers in Germany that developed the system and one of the works drivers who helped test it: On the 991.2 TTS when the PDCC console button is deactivated (light is off), both the PASM and PDCC is put into a "normal/comfort mode" which softens the compression damping of the shocks, adds some rebound damping, and reduces both the front and rear roll stiffness (PDCC). The PDCC is always active, it's mode is altered.
Conversely, when the PDCC console button is activated (light on), the dampers are stiffened by a large amount and the PDCC is put into "performance mode" which severely controls chassis roll depending on other factors (if it thinks you're turning or going over bumps, etc).
I haven't driven a 991.2 TTS with out the PDCC option, but I'd be surprised if it's baseline rollbar settings aren't a little stiffer than the PDCC enabled car (with the PDCC button turned off) to make up for the inability to dynamically control them. Would be interesting to drive them side by side.
As it stands, I still like my 991.2 TTS with the PDCC button turned off for all driving -- cruising and spirited."
This info references the .2 TTS but I would expect it would apply to all cars with these options.
"I asked one of the engineers in Germany that developed the system and one of the works drivers who helped test it: On the 991.2 TTS when the PDCC console button is deactivated (light is off), both the PASM and PDCC is put into a "normal/comfort mode" which softens the compression damping of the shocks, adds some rebound damping, and reduces both the front and rear roll stiffness (PDCC). The PDCC is always active, it's mode is altered.
Conversely, when the PDCC console button is activated (light on), the dampers are stiffened by a large amount and the PDCC is put into "performance mode" which severely controls chassis roll depending on other factors (if it thinks you're turning or going over bumps, etc).
I haven't driven a 991.2 TTS with out the PDCC option, but I'd be surprised if it's baseline rollbar settings aren't a little stiffer than the PDCC enabled car (with the PDCC button turned off) to make up for the inability to dynamically control them. Would be interesting to drive them side by side.
As it stands, I still like my 991.2 TTS with the PDCC button turned off for all driving -- cruising and spirited."
This info references the .2 TTS but I would expect it would apply to all cars with these options.
04-08-2017, 11:36 AM
#38
I've got a 991.1 Base with PDK and PSE. I drive almost exclusively in manual mode unless in bumper to bumper traffic which is the new reality here in Atlanta with the interstate collapse we experienced last week 
My question is this...what tangible benefit, other than sound, does one gain in everyday driving in manual mode when switching between Normal, Sport, and Sport Plus? I notice when idling, if I engage Sport mode the engine idles slightly higher and the throttle is supposedly more responsive, but I'm not sure I can really tell the difference. Sport Plus tightens the dynamic engine mounts and the manual PDK shifts definitely slam into gear more abruptly under hard acceleration, but again, there's not much benefit in daily driving if you like to manually shift your PDK. My conclusion has been that if you like to manually shift the PDK, it really doesn't matter what mode you're in on the street. The clear benefit to those modes are apparent only when the PDK is in Auto mode and the shift points get more aggressive. I tend to drive in Sport mode, but it's mostly because the PSE is automatically engaged and I get the pops and gurgles from the PSE. The car does not really seem to accelerate faster than normal mode.
My question is this...what tangible benefit, other than sound, does one gain in everyday driving in manual mode when switching between Normal, Sport, and Sport Plus? I notice when idling, if I engage Sport mode the engine idles slightly higher and the throttle is supposedly more responsive, but I'm not sure I can really tell the difference. Sport Plus tightens the dynamic engine mounts and the manual PDK shifts definitely slam into gear more abruptly under hard acceleration, but again, there's not much benefit in daily driving if you like to manually shift your PDK. My conclusion has been that if you like to manually shift the PDK, it really doesn't matter what mode you're in on the street. The clear benefit to those modes are apparent only when the PDK is in Auto mode and the shift points get more aggressive. I tend to drive in Sport mode, but it's mostly because the PSE is automatically engaged and I get the pops and gurgles from the PSE. The car does not really seem to accelerate faster than normal mode.
04-08-2017, 12:02 PM
#39
Nordschleife Master
I've got a 991.1 Base with PDK and PSE. I drive almost exclusively in manual mode unless in bumper to bumper traffic which is the new reality here in Atlanta with the interstate collapse we experienced last week
My question is this...what tangible benefit, other than sound, does one gain in everyday driving in manual mode when switching between Normal, Sport, and Sport Plus? I notice when idling, if I engage Sport mode the engine idles slightly higher and the throttle is supposedly more responsive, but I'm not sure I can really tell the difference. Sport Plus tightens the dynamic engine mounts and the manual PDK shifts definitely slam into gear more abruptly under hard acceleration, but again, there's not much benefit in daily driving if you like to manually shift your PDK. My conclusion has been that if you like to manually shift the PDK, it really doesn't matter what mode you're in on the street. The clear benefit to those modes are apparent only when the PDK is in Auto mode and the shift points get more aggressive. I tend to drive in Sport mode, but it's mostly because the PSE is automatically engaged and I get the pops and gurgles from the PSE. The car does not really seem to accelerate faster than normal mode.
My question is this...what tangible benefit, other than sound, does one gain in everyday driving in manual mode when switching between Normal, Sport, and Sport Plus? I notice when idling, if I engage Sport mode the engine idles slightly higher and the throttle is supposedly more responsive, but I'm not sure I can really tell the difference. Sport Plus tightens the dynamic engine mounts and the manual PDK shifts definitely slam into gear more abruptly under hard acceleration, but again, there's not much benefit in daily driving if you like to manually shift your PDK. My conclusion has been that if you like to manually shift the PDK, it really doesn't matter what mode you're in on the street. The clear benefit to those modes are apparent only when the PDK is in Auto mode and the shift points get more aggressive. I tend to drive in Sport mode, but it's mostly because the PSE is automatically engaged and I get the pops and gurgles from the PSE. The car does not really seem to accelerate faster than normal mode.
04-08-2017, 06:45 PM
#41
Another feature of sport + over sport
Sorry if it has already been stated but in sport plus, you eliminate the exhaust crackle while slowing that is present in the sport. Also, sport + activates the SPASM/PDCC button.
04-09-2017, 08:58 AM
#44
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Nice thread... glad to know I am not alone...
2015 C2S 7MT... haven't driven more than a mile without Sport+ since I got it. I do put it in comfort chassis mode as well.
I guess from what I am reading on this revived thread that basically its the shifting that people hate in the PDK when you put it in Sport+. I had a Macan GTS and Sport+ was just a little too much for normal driving, so I get that when in auto, but when we can decide when to shift using either the 7MT or the paddles, not sure why its such an issue.
2015 C2S 7MT... haven't driven more than a mile without Sport+ since I got it. I do put it in comfort chassis mode as well.
I guess from what I am reading on this revived thread that basically its the shifting that people hate in the PDK when you put it in Sport+. I had a Macan GTS and Sport+ was just a little too much for normal driving, so I get that when in auto, but when we can decide when to shift using either the 7MT or the paddles, not sure why its such an issue.
04-09-2017, 10:25 AM
#45
Rennlist Member
I do let the car get to an oil temp of at least 160 then flip it to Sport +. If I'm just running errands where I'm making short drives and multiple stops I use Sport with normal shock setting.
I have a 4S with PASM and PDCC.
I have a 4S with PASM and PDCC.