Reserve your 991 DSC module
02-16-2016, 02:23 PM
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note that the product pages do not specify particular variants of the 991 2/4WD or N.A vs Turbo...
I see no reason why you cannot install the DSC on any of the 991 variants, particularly the 4WD NA cars, the only issue per see is the applicability of the
OOTB maps for each variant, I'd expect that the default maps are fine for the
4/S Carreras but it might not be optimal for TT applications (yet) due to the
differing spring rates etc...
I see no reason why you cannot install the DSC on any of the 991 variants, particularly the 4WD NA cars, the only issue per see is the applicability of the
OOTB maps for each variant, I'd expect that the default maps are fine for the
4/S Carreras but it might not be optimal for TT applications (yet) due to the
differing spring rates etc...
02-16-2016, 02:36 PM
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We're generally so busy with all the road racing we do that we don't often get a chance to do straight line days.
However, one of our dealers, Protuning Freaks, specialize in straight line performance and have reported back with very positive reviews of the DSC controller.
You can find a quick post they put up a few months back here:
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-turb...l#post12560714
They're a really great group of guys; if you'd like more details on their experience with DSC I'm sure they would be more than happy to speak with you.
However, one of our dealers, Protuning Freaks, specialize in straight line performance and have reported back with very positive reviews of the DSC controller.
You can find a quick post they put up a few months back here:
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-turb...l#post12560714
They're a really great group of guys; if you'd like more details on their experience with DSC I'm sure they would be more than happy to speak with you.
02-16-2016, 04:36 PM
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Regarding the DSC's compatibility with AWD vehicles...
First, your OEM PASM module does vary slightly by vehicle model. However, this is mostly because the values for PASM on the 9x7 platform were more or less fixed rates at one-channel command. As a result, like tuning manually adjustable shocks at a static value, there were some minor differences in calibrations between models. Let's keep in mind that these are minor differences, as well.
What we need to bare in mind, however, is that DSC is fully dynamic. In such a fully dynamic system with 4-channel commands, one calibration for DSC can provide the optimum damping value to the individual corner of the car to react to the physical forces that the car is subjected to and predict based on the driver's inputs. For us, the tuning is focused on the vehicle's dynamic weight distribution management rather than static configuration. We do offer free DSC tuning software should you want to makes custom changes. Also keep in mind, that shock damping is only one aspect of chassis tuning; adjustable sway bars, suspension geometry changes, differential setup, changing tire sizes and compound, and aero all comes into effect. We feel that for what little DSC cost and how easy it is to install, compared to other mods, DSC is a tremendous performance value with powerful (and free) user tune-able software. There are rave reviews from hundreds of users; rear-engine, to mid-engine, to front-engine, to RWD, to AWD, from 300hp to 800+hp. Management of dynamic weight distribution is what we do. The rest is up to you.
First, your OEM PASM module does vary slightly by vehicle model. However, this is mostly because the values for PASM on the 9x7 platform were more or less fixed rates at one-channel command. As a result, like tuning manually adjustable shocks at a static value, there were some minor differences in calibrations between models. Let's keep in mind that these are minor differences, as well.
What we need to bare in mind, however, is that DSC is fully dynamic. In such a fully dynamic system with 4-channel commands, one calibration for DSC can provide the optimum damping value to the individual corner of the car to react to the physical forces that the car is subjected to and predict based on the driver's inputs. For us, the tuning is focused on the vehicle's dynamic weight distribution management rather than static configuration. We do offer free DSC tuning software should you want to makes custom changes. Also keep in mind, that shock damping is only one aspect of chassis tuning; adjustable sway bars, suspension geometry changes, differential setup, changing tire sizes and compound, and aero all comes into effect. We feel that for what little DSC cost and how easy it is to install, compared to other mods, DSC is a tremendous performance value with powerful (and free) user tune-able software. There are rave reviews from hundreds of users; rear-engine, to mid-engine, to front-engine, to RWD, to AWD, from 300hp to 800+hp. Management of dynamic weight distribution is what we do. The rest is up to you.
02-16-2016, 04:46 PM
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Regarding the DSC's compatibility with AWD vehicles...
First, your OEM PASM module does vary slightly by vehicle model. However, this is mostly because the values for PASM on the 9x7 platform were more or less fixed rates at one-channel command. As a result, like tuning manually adjustable shocks at a static value, there were some minor differences in calibrations between models. Let's keep in mind that these are minor differences, as well.
What we need to bare in mind, however, is that DSC is fully dynamic. In such a fully dynamic system with 4-channel commands, one calibration for DSC can provide the optimum damping value to the individual corner of the car to react to the physical forces that the car is subjected to and predict based on the driver's inputs. For us, the tuning is focused on the vehicle's dynamic weight distribution management rather than static configuration. We do offer free DSC tuning software should you want to makes custom changes. Also keep in mind, that shock damping is only one aspect of chassis tuning; adjustable sway bars, suspension geometry changes, differential setup, changing tire sizes and compound, and aero all comes into effect. We feel that for what little DSC cost and how easy it is to install, compared to other mods, DSC is a tremendous performance value with powerful (and free) user tune-able software. There are rave reviews from hundreds of users; rear-engine, to mid-engine, to front-engine, to RWD, to AWD, from 300hp to 800+hp. Management of dynamic weight distribution is what we do. The rest is up to you.
First, your OEM PASM module does vary slightly by vehicle model. However, this is mostly because the values for PASM on the 9x7 platform were more or less fixed rates at one-channel command. As a result, like tuning manually adjustable shocks at a static value, there were some minor differences in calibrations between models. Let's keep in mind that these are minor differences, as well.
What we need to bare in mind, however, is that DSC is fully dynamic. In such a fully dynamic system with 4-channel commands, one calibration for DSC can provide the optimum damping value to the individual corner of the car to react to the physical forces that the car is subjected to and predict based on the driver's inputs. For us, the tuning is focused on the vehicle's dynamic weight distribution management rather than static configuration. We do offer free DSC tuning software should you want to makes custom changes. Also keep in mind, that shock damping is only one aspect of chassis tuning; adjustable sway bars, suspension geometry changes, differential setup, changing tire sizes and compound, and aero all comes into effect. We feel that for what little DSC cost and how easy it is to install, compared to other mods, DSC is a tremendous performance value with powerful (and free) user tune-able software. There are rave reviews from hundreds of users; rear-engine, to mid-engine, to front-engine, to RWD, to AWD, from 300hp to 800+hp. Management of dynamic weight distribution is what we do. The rest is up to you.
02-16-2016, 05:54 PM
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My car does feel a bit quicker in a straight line with the DSC, but then again it did with the Fabspeed headers so I'm going to rule myself out of the jury on this one!
Larry - I wonder if the differerent change from stock we feel in normal mode might be because my car has PDCC and yours doesn't? I pretty much leave it in sport mode all the time now anyway. Might see about getting normal mode recalibrated to some super-soft limo setup for easing Mrs Rat's nerves...
Larry - I wonder if the differerent change from stock we feel in normal mode might be because my car has PDCC and yours doesn't? I pretty much leave it in sport mode all the time now anyway. Might see about getting normal mode recalibrated to some super-soft limo setup for easing Mrs Rat's nerves...
02-16-2016, 06:16 PM
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My car does feel a bit quicker in a straight line with the DSC, but then again it did with the Fabspeed headers so I'm going to rule myself out of the jury on this one!
Larry - I wonder if the differerent change from stock we feel in normal mode might be because my car has PDCC and yours doesn't?
Larry - I wonder if the differerent change from stock we feel in normal mode might be because my car has PDCC and yours doesn't?
02-16-2016, 06:36 PM
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Not a suspension expert so will take your word for it. My understanding was that PDCC softened the car a bit when one is taking it easy, so something that made the suspension feel firmer for me might have made it softer for you.
I'll tell her.
02-16-2016, 09:08 PM
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PDCC "discconnects" the ARBs/Swaybars when you are driving in a straight line, and also dynamically adjusts their "stiffness" (fnar fnar) when in corners, the overall efffect is to give you the best of both worlds, a softer ride in a straight line and flatter cornering ...
02-16-2016, 10:03 PM
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a) I'm going to take that as a 'yes' the DSC will work in my 991 Turbo and that I should expect the same performance changes described herein for NA 991s. (This, assuming my buttometer is similarly calibrated to those reporting said changes.)
b) Larry and I won't find platform-specific magic numbers in your source code (This in the ludicrous case where we'd get the code.)
c) I respect the ability to play with the maps. But, I most-definitely am not interested in that for the foreseeable future. I have enough 'fun' developing and evolving maps on my other projects. So, fire-and-forget is what I want.
d) All of the above?
02-17-2016, 10:15 AM
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Yes, the DSC will work great with the Turbo; we have many customers with the set up on their Turbos with nothing but positive feedback. Also, DSC is a true Plug N Play. 9 out of 10 customers do not feel the need to make any changes in the software; more probably do because they find it interesting and fun, but not necessary. Also, if somebody has a certain characteristic about the DSC they don't like, I usually try to make myself available to make some quick changes for them or offer simple steps to make that change themselves.
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Multiple choice:
a) I'm going to take that as a 'yes' the DSC will work in my 991 Turbo and that I should expect the same performance changes described herein for NA 991s. (This, assuming my buttometer is similarly calibrated to those reporting said changes.)
b) Larry and I won't find platform-specific magic numbers in your source code (This in the ludicrous case where we'd get the code.)
c) I respect the ability to play with the maps. But, I most-definitely am not interested in that for the foreseeable future. I have enough 'fun' developing and evolving maps on my other projects. So, fire-and-forget is what I want.
d) All of the above?
a) I'm going to take that as a 'yes' the DSC will work in my 991 Turbo and that I should expect the same performance changes described herein for NA 991s. (This, assuming my buttometer is similarly calibrated to those reporting said changes.)
b) Larry and I won't find platform-specific magic numbers in your source code (This in the ludicrous case where we'd get the code.)
c) I respect the ability to play with the maps. But, I most-definitely am not interested in that for the foreseeable future. I have enough 'fun' developing and evolving maps on my other projects. So, fire-and-forget is what I want.
d) All of the above?
02-17-2016, 02:48 PM
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Yes, the DSC will work great with the Turbo; we have many customers with the set up on their Turbos with nothing but positive feedback. Also, DSC is a true Plug N Play. 9 out of 10 customers do not feel the need to make any changes in the software; more probably do because they find it interesting and fun, but not necessary. Also, if somebody has a certain characteristic about the DSC they don't like, I usually try to make myself available to make some quick changes for them or offer simple steps to make that change themselves.
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02-17-2016, 02:58 PM
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My car does feel a bit quicker in a straight line with the DSC, but then again it did with the Fabspeed headers so I'm going to rule myself out of the jury on this one!
Larry - I wonder if the differerent change from stock we feel in normal mode might be because my car has PDCC and yours doesn't? I pretty much leave it in sport mode all the time now anyway. Might see about getting normal mode recalibrated to some super-soft limo setup for easing Mrs Rat's nerves...
Larry - I wonder if the differerent change from stock we feel in normal mode might be because my car has PDCC and yours doesn't? I pretty much leave it in sport mode all the time now anyway. Might see about getting normal mode recalibrated to some super-soft limo setup for easing Mrs Rat's nerves...
You can check out this video below. One of the guys at Viper Exchange, Andy, who owns a gen V Viper and is pretty into drag racing just set a world record: first factory displacement NA Viper to break into the 9's. He did it using Viper Exchange's heads and CAM package for power and DSC/Tractive DDA as a suspension package. He also noted that two other cars of theirs without the DSC/DDA set up broke axles and had to end their days early due to violent wheel hop.
His words on the suspension setup: "I can't say enough about our ViperExchange Dynamic Suspension Package that I have on the car. No wheel hop ever, the car hooks, and goes dead straight pass after pass, and is even better on the road course."
02-17-2016, 09:15 PM
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