uhn2000

What a beauty, this is a really well executed LCI. BTW in the video it still sounds great!

96redLT4

7'30" around the -ring is pretty amazing. I would be curious to know what the weight is of this car to compare with the current C2S
Jim

cloud9blue

Looks better than I thought. Pretty significant price increase though. Current gen costs 5k euros less judging by the msrp on the Germany website, which I am sure will translate to USD as well.

With turbo engine, aftermarket engine tuning support will be stronger as well (factory tune seems to be very conservative considering it is only making 420hp on a 3.0l flat six engine), which will makes things more interesting down the line.

Drifting

I too am curious how much extra weight is in the new turbo 991.2s. I wonder if this was why they increased the width of the rear tires?

High performance twin turbo engines are notably more expensive to produce than NA engines, which I expect influenced the price.

It will be interesting to see what tuners do with these engines once they go out of warranty. I heard about lot of 997 turbos getting modified, but I thought the ECU was much harder to crack with the 991s?

There was one option I did find interesting-
"In combination with PDK transmission the mode switch has an additional button, the "Sport Response Button". When this button is pressed the drivetrain is pre-conditioned for maximum acceleration for 20 seconds, for example before overtaking manoeuvres. For this, the optimum gear is engaged and the engine management adjusted to an even more spontaneous response for a short time. "

Sounds like this is how you defeat turbo lag on the highway, when you have to "shoot the gap" quickly.
I'm still not buying a turbo, but this feature sounds like it will help the 991.2 to perform like an actual sports car when you need it to.

cloud9blue

Porsche ECUs are historically easier to crack than other German manufacturers like BMW. Both Cobb and Giac has ECU flashes already for 991.1 turbo. Won't take that long for the 991.2 solutions to come out, considering how much money is there to be made for those companies.

While I understand some old schooler might lament the lost of NA engines, but personally, the combination of the 997 or even 991.1 Turbo level of power paired with a RWD chassis that actually have some frontal clearance would be more than ideal as a track able DD.

I am pretty confident these would drive very well, considering how sharp the non-GT chassis is at track even when weighted down by the AWD system in the 991.1 turbo. Now that we are sure that the facelift isn't all that terrible, I just hope Porsche got the exhaust sound right as well.

Mondrian

Important bits from the evo articles ...........

Straight line performance and fuel efficiency have benefited from the switch to turbocharging, then, but logic suggests that throttle response, exhaust note and top-end fireworks – between them the three factors that can make an engine memorable rather than just effective – will have taken a backwards step.

When asked if he can understand that apprehension, senior Porsche engineer Dr Erhard Mössle says, ‘Yes, of course I can! The normally aspirated six-cylinder boxer is a famous engine in the 911, but we face some challenges, not only in terms of fuel consumption and emissions, but also from our competitors. When you look at our competitor cars, like the Mercedes-AMG GT S or other cars with turbocharged engines, it’s getting harder to stay close to them with a normally aspirated engine.

‘We tried to model a normally aspirated engine and avoid turbo lag as much as possible,’ he adds. ‘A lot of detail work has gone into the system to improve response. For instance, when you come off the throttle the turbos keep spinning, so they are running at a higher speed when you get back on the throttle. We also have a new sports exhaust system that sounds really good. Yes, it’s different to a normally aspirated engine, but it sounds better than the 911 Turbo, more emotional.’

Raven 666

Great read ,,,thank you for posting...............

Daekwan

Agreed. I think the exterior changes are nice touches and interior changes look much better than whats offered on the 991.1. The PCM upgrade with Android Auto & Apple CarPlay addresses my biggest complaint with the 991.1 and that is infotainment system that seems years behind other systems on the market. For a car that easily runs over the $100K mark.. the 991 finally has a touchscreen interface that seems worthy of such.

Concerning the turbo engines. Until I have the chance to drive one, I won't bother commenting. But it is what it is. Every manufacturer is downsizing their engines and either moving towards forced induction or sometime of hybrid/electric powertrain. Was only a matter of time before it hit the daily driver vehicles like the 911 platform. Probably the best feature of turbocharged engines is the fairly cheap HP add-ons. I'd imagine once tuners get their hand on the TT3.0 platform.. that getting 500hp out of these will be relatively 'cheap' in Porsche speak.

TrappistMonk

I like the exterior and interior changes, but what I like most is that you can now order the entry and drive and seat cooling as separate options instead of having to order an expensive package.

So for me it would be now a base car in GT Silver, with cooled (and for resale heated seats, which I will never use) and that's it, that's now close to a $93k car ... that kind of money used to buy you a base 'S"

Which means that my base 991.1 carrera is now amazing value to enter the 911 world!

blschaefer1

Excellent point. And once the tuners crack the ECU, the premium for an S will be even more difficult to justify.

GSIRM3

Unless of course you prefer to keep your warranty intact.

GSIRM3

PASM has been standard on the S since introduction of the 997.

MagicRat

I spoke to the boss of my dealership a few days ago about fitting the Fabspeed headers and 200-cell cats to my GTS. He said he'd never in 21 years of working for Porsche and BMW before that ever had a warranty claim turned down because a car was modified, and this included remaps. He said the onus was on the manufacturer to prove that the problem was caused by the modification, and that that's basically impossible to do.

A different question: do we think that the updated PCM might mean there's any chance of a software update for the current one so that it might, like, actually have a clue where traffic is?

Sharm

Question: will there be an x51 powerkit available for these turbo models? I don't see one tickable on the configurator. If so, how much additional power do you suspect will be added? Just curious.

GSIRM3

I can assure that it is different in the US. As far as who the "onus" is on; to get to that point you are going to need to spend $$$ to take Porsche to court to litigate whether the mod caused the problem. Good luck in trying to prove that an ECU flash didn't cause an engine issue. I know people that have had warranty claims denied because of a center muffler delete. Looks like you are in London. I assume you guys over there also get a warranty manual with your car from the Porsche distributor in the UK. If so, you might want to read it if you haven't. You might be surprised at what it says about warranty coverage. In the US, we have the Magnuson Moss Act which is a Federal law that governs warranties. I think there is a lot of misunderstanding of this law and what it really covers. Many people cite the Act and simply say that the manufacturer has to prove that a mod caused a problem to deny a claim. That's not exactly what the Act says or does, and certainly not all that it covers. http://www.mlmlaw.com/library/guides...s/undermag.htm

Regardless, it's your car and your money, so each owner should do what he/she wants.

Sorry to the temporary detour of this thread.