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But I bet any dealer (Porsche, Chevy etc) with that kind of tool will charge you a good dime to measure it
It's all relative. It shouldn't be more than an hour of labor.
I run with guys that track Gen 3 PCCB's so getting the rotors weighed/measured "just to know" what's left is nominal in the grand scheme of things. If you are stretching just to get into Porsche and making those monthly payments to own the car then maybe you don't look at PCCB's. However, when you don't think twice about dropping $2500 for new tires every 2-3 months an hour at the dealer isn't a big deal.
According to VW you don't even have to remove the rotor. "With Carboteq®, it is possible to calculate the wear at these test points in a simple manner without removing the brake disk."
That's what I mean. I don't mean weigh it with your bathroom scale. Have your PPI person remove the rotor and have the dealer measure/weigh it or whoever has that tool. I bet a Chevy dealer can weigh a PCCB since Corvette's have them, Audi dealers etc... ... So the point is that it's not some unknown. It's more difficult than an iron rotor but overall it's not very difficult to remove a rotor and measure it.
Again, I believe this is completely incorrect information.
PCCB's are not measured by weight. Not with a bathroom scale, not with any sort of special scale. It's not how Porsche carbon brakes are evaluated.
They also don't require removal from the car for evaluation, they are measured on the car. You DEFINITELY don't want your indy ppi dealer removing the calipers unnecessarily and transporting them to a dealer, then remounting them. All that would do is create lots of additional opportunities for them to get chipped and likely not save you a dime.
What PCCBs DO require a special tool (listed above) that pretty much no indy dealer is going to have unless perhaps they are a race shop. Dealerships usually have a set, specific, fairly expensive fee to check pccbs with the tool, separate from a ppi if the dealer even does ppis. None of the dealers around here will do ppis anymore on cars they are not selling, and quoted me ~$300 to evaluate pccb brakes on a 2009 C4S.
So in framing the discussion in the context of issues of buying a used PCCB car from a private party or non Porsche dealer, I'll reiterate my comment: "Not easy to really evaluate PCCB condition."
Again, I believe this is completely incorrect information.
PCCB's are not measured by weight. Not with a bathroom scale, not with any sort of special scale. It's not how Porsche carbon brakes are evaluated.
They also don't require removal from the car for evaluation, they are measured on the car. You DEFINITELY don't want your indy ppi dealer removing the calipers unnecessarily and transporting them to a dealer, then remounting them. All that would do is create lots of additional opportunities for them to get chipped and likely not save you a dime.
What PCCBs DO require a special tool (listed above) that pretty much no indy dealer is going to have unless perhaps they are a race shop. Dealerships usually have a set, specific, fairly expensive fee to check pccbs with the tool, separate from a ppi if the dealer even does ppis. None of the dealers around here will do ppis anymore on cars they are not selling, and quoted me ~$300 to evaluate pccb brakes on a 2009 C4S.
So in framing the discussion in the context of issues of buying a used PCCB car from a private party or non Porsche dealer, I'll reiterate my comment: "Not easy to really evaluate PCCB condition."
Easy to evaluate is subjective. If you have the tool, it seems very easy to evaluate according to the video.
Intentionally obtuse?
Yes, if a potential buyer personally had the $7,000 tool (yeah right...) or your indy ppi has the tool (nope, they don't have them either) or if the dealer would put it on the rack just by dropping by without a two week wait and do the measurement without charging several hundred dollars of labor (negatory on that front as well), it would be easy...
But since none of those things are true, it is not easy... Which is all that I said. And will say again...
I would agree with this. I would have to know the history and owner on the car to be sure. Not to mention, I'm sure the extreme heat from hard braking while tracking also is a factor.
Would only buy a PCCB car that hasn't been tracked myself.
All this is nothing new. Not sure what the confusion is? They are just an $$ replacement part and doing homework is beneficial.
Back to normal programing. I read the latest PCA magazine and it looks like some members are more realistic about their prices. Here is one that caught my attention:
"2012 1/2 (991 Body style), garage queen, manual, never seen winter, PASM, Adaptive Sport Seats Plus, Heated Seats, Ventilated Front Seats, Park Assist, Sport Chrono Package, Sunroof, Bose Sound System, Sirius XM and HD Radio, 6 CD/DVD changer, Electric Folding Mirrors, Premium Package 18-way seats
Mileage: 27,444 Exterior Color: Silver Interior Color: Black"
Note it is a manual, Platinum Silver, asking price is $67,999.
I am not going to post contact info here since it is PCA advertising and I am not sure whether a member wants his info spread all over the www. Just note car is in Michigan. If you want to check the details, you just have to join PCA or have a PCA member show it to you.
Back to normal programing. I read the latest PCA magazine and it looks like some members are more realistic about their prices. Here is one that caught my attention:
"2012 1/2 (991 Body style), garage queen, manual, never seen winter, PASM, Adaptive Sport Seats Plus, Heated Seats, Ventilated Front Seats, Park Assist, Sport Chrono Package, Sunroof, Bose Sound System, Sirius XM and HD Radio, 6 CD/DVD changer, Electric Folding Mirrors, Premium Package 18-way seats
Mileage: 27,444 Exterior Color: Silver Interior Color: Black"
Note it is a manual, Platinum Silver, asking price is $67,999.
I am not going to post contact info here since it is PCA advertising and I am not sure whether a member wants his info spread all over the www. Just note car is in Michigan. If you want to check the details, you just have to join PCA or have a PCA member show it to you.
Yeah, I noticed some realistically-priced cars over on PCA as well. Probably more realistic than most of the stuff listed here! Of course, the next guy with that car will come along and put it up for $78,000 due to "low miles and rarity".
I think it would be HFS if it had 15k miles. Nearly 30,000 is a lot for a car that has only lost $42,000 in value. I don't follow the 991.2 cab market, but going into winter, I see a lot of 991.2 coupes, CPO'd with great builds, in the very low 100k range. I can't imagine a cab being worth more than that this time of year.
Asking $78993, MSRP $120,355. 2013 9111S coupe, manual, sports exhaust, sports chrono, 11,011 miles, CPO, Porsche West Houston. This is close to my criteria for HSF
There definitely are HFS cars that pop up on PCA every once in a while, they just don't last very long. But the overpriced ones stick around forever...
Hello HFS experts, I am thinking about selling my 2012 991 C2S Cab 7-mt. It has 34,500 miles and a clean car fax. CPO expired this past June 2018. It has protected film on front bumper, hood and fender, as well as ceramic coating. What would be a HFS price?
11-16-2018, 05:29 PM
