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Old 04-02-2019, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by red67vert
Looking at a 2012 991 C2S 28000mi nice build($115K) manual. Very clean! Dude wants $68K trying to reason with him, without luck. What's the HFS #
I'm thinking $60-62. KBB is $55-61
How do I approach without insulting?
PS: Have 2012-13 991's bottomed? How low can they go?
Thank you!!
Of course prices haven't bottomed. They will continue to depreciate like any other high production volume car. The steady values we've seen over the last two years seem to be breaking slightly. Based on what the market has been showing recently, I would think the car you describe is a fair deal $63-65k.
Old 04-02-2019, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 3Series
It has been sitting for a while because,
1.) The GT3 market is in decline
2.) This is a high mileage example in an undesirable year. The car is a stripper but that can also be a positive.

But, the price is getting to be attractive, but why does the Carfax show so much "service" when the car was in Hawaii? The car has no warranty now.
i was wondering that as well
Old 04-02-2019, 05:40 PM
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2014 GT3s all got the 120k/10 year warranty on the replacement engines though right?
Old 04-02-2019, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by dkmesa
Of course prices haven't bottomed. They will continue to depreciate like any other high production volume car. The steady values we've seen over the last two years seem to be breaking slightly. Based on what the market has been showing recently, I would think the car you describe is a fair deal $63-65k.
Hard to know without seeing the specs, but a 2012 C2S with around 30k miles should be in the low $60s I'd say. I bought mine in January, it had an original sticker of $118k and I paid $63k out the door. Had slightly more miles (34k) but was in phenomenal condition plus had a few extras such as PPF, rennline grills, built in radar/laser, wheel spacers, tinted windows. (https://www.nweuro.com/2012-porsche-carrera-s/)
Old 04-02-2019, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by vincenz0
2014 GT3s all got the 120k/10 year warranty on the replacement engines though right?
Correct. To clarify, I meant there is no new car or CPO warranty on the car anymore.
All 991.1 GT3's have the engine warranty.
Old 04-02-2019, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by red67vert
Looking at a 2012 991 C2S 28000mi nice build($115K) manual. Very clean! Dude wants $68K trying to reason with him, without luck. What's the HFS #
I'm thinking $60-62. KBB is $55-61
How do I approach without insulting?
PS: Have 2012-13 991's bottomed? How low can they go?
Thank you!!
You're in spring time and the owner may carry a note equal to the ask?
If he want 68 and you think 62, is it worth 6k to get it vs. wait for one you like equally well and the owner is asking 65? May really be just a couple thousand dollar spread. If you like it just get it, eh?
A 10% spread on a cool car you like is not worth wasting your time looking for another one.
Old 04-02-2019, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by dkmesa
Of course prices haven't bottomed. They will continue to depreciate like any other high production volume car. The steady values we've seen over the last two years seem to be breaking slightly. Based on what the market has been showing recently, I would think the car you describe is a fair deal $63-65k.
I agree, but it would be good to know what options it has. Would hate for some of the MSRP to be stupid stuff like leather-wrapped air vent vanes.

Vincenz0, you got a killer deal on your car... fantastic build and add-ons! Now I see why you backed out of the deal on the one I bought. Very happy with my car, though.
Old 04-03-2019, 12:29 AM
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Well, I did end up spending a lot more on a vacation to Seattle for my whole family to go pick up the car though! And they chickened out on the drive home and flew back from Portland -- same day airline tickets were not as cheap as I expected! And I think you got the better color.
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Originally Posted by vincenz0
Well, I did end up spending a lot more on a vacation to Seattle for my whole family to go pick up the car though! And they chickened out on the drive home and flew back from Portland -- same day airline tickets were not as cheap as I expected! And I think you got the better color.
Always add'l expenses, but you came out way ahead, I'd say. $61,500 for my car, $1,800 to ship it here, About $3,500 for a 5-year warranty, $1,500 to get it ceramic coated, about $7,000 in CA taxes and registration, and haven't yet installed my Valentine detector (no way it will ever be as sweet as the detector install on your car... amazing job!), and 8k more miles on it than yours. All because I really wanted blue.

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Old 04-03-2019, 12:23 PM
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In my opinion, a good way to gage the 991.1 market is to look at the 997.2 market. I know this is a controversial subject but I doubt a similarly equipped 991.1S will go below a 997.2S. If 997 cars start to appreciate, then you'll know the 991.1 may follow suit.

Lets face it, these cars were mass produced cars. The early ones are reaching 7-8 years. The depreciation curve is not as accelerated as, lets say, a Mercedes SL, but it will continue to depreciate. My prediction is that it may bottom out at around $35-40K, but that is just me. If you are in the market for 991.1 cars, just get the best one you can with your budget and enjoy it. If in the future it appreciates, good for you. Otherwise, just enjoy the time you have with it and expect a loss when you sell it.

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Old 04-03-2019, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by red67vert
Looking at a 2012 991 C2S 28000mi nice build($115K) manual. Very clean! Dude wants $68K trying to reason with him, without luck. What's the HFS #
I'm thinking $60-62. KBB is $55-61
How do I approach without insulting?
PS: Have 2012-13 991's bottomed? How low can they go?
Thank you!!
I think I know the car you're referring to. Platinum Silver?
Old 04-03-2019, 07:43 PM
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I wonder what site provides the most accurate used car pricing. I think KBB is off (low?). Edmunds seems to be closer. Listing prices aren’t helpful in valuing. Sales price would be good and dealers have access to this info. I still think the right price is when the seller is willing to meet the buyer at a price to put the deal together (or vice versa). Meaning folks value certain features and aspects of a car differently. Any thoughts on the best pricing site?
Old 04-04-2019, 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by YoungTurk
I think I know the car you're referring to. Platinum Silver?
My buddy sold a $121k MSRP 2012 C2S (PDK) with all the good options here anyone would want (18-ways, SPASM, PSE, SC+). The car was literally in showroom condition: it couldn't have been cleaner. If you didn't know it was a 991 and didn't see the odometer if it was sitting on the showroom floor, you would assume it was new. He listed it at $68k and it was listed too cheap.

There is something to be said for build and condition. If it had 35k miles and normal wear and tear, I would say low 60's, sure, but this one is just about perfect.
Old 04-04-2019, 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by 3Series
It has been sitting for a while because,
1.) The GT3 market is in decline
2.) This is a high mileage example in an undesirable year. The car is a stripper but that can also be a positive.

But, the price is getting to be attractive, but why does the Carfax show so much "service" when the car was in Hawaii? The car has no warranty now.
Engine has 10/120k. I don't think a Fidelity would be that expensive. Mileage is on the high side, but a car with 50k miles sold at $100k here last fall in about 2 days, so I don't think the price is far off, considering it is from a dealer.

I would be surprised to see many 991 GT3 models dipping under $100k. They are just too good of a car. That is 2015 GTS pricing, and lets face it: the GTS can't hold the GT3's jock strap. I drove a GTS, and it was nice, but it felt like my C2S with SPASM and all the other goodies (18-ways). The GTS is special, but the GT3 is more special than others.
Old 04-04-2019, 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by KenA
Looks like it was a Rennlister's car. Here's the old for sale ad:
https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...18k-obo-4.html

Assuming everything checks out, it's a good deal at that price.
I know that seller: he is a good guy and very meticulous! He buys way too many cars, but hey, if I had the money, I would own a bunch of supercars too!


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