HOT FOR SALE: Pick of the Week 991 - Page 1125 - Rennlist - Porsche Discussion Forums

Notices
991
Sponsored by:

HOT FOR SALE: Pick of the Week 991

Old 01-11-2019, 05:08 PM
  #16861  
3Series
User
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Chicago
Posts: 1,173
Default

Originally Posted by Bents View Post
Worth about 65-66 IMHO.
Opinions are like A.....

It's worth whatever someone pays for it.

Moving on.
3Series is offline  
Old 01-11-2019, 07:16 PM
  #16862  
PCA1983
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
PCA1983's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Orlando (winter), Chicago (Summer)
Posts: 1,385
Default

If you are looking for a strong 991.2 C2S coupe with manual tranny, here's one worth checking out at Isringhausen with all the performance options, including X51 PowerKit for gains of + 9% Hp and +11% torque. And it has 25% more torque than a 991.1 GTS or S with PowerKit.
This one is well optioned, with all the performance options, and 3900 miles, CPO, asking $112k. Looking at the Buildsheet, it looks like a dealer installed PowerKit, which is covered under full factory warranty. https://www.isringhausen.com/Inventory/2017/Porsche/911/StockNum/123454
https://vinanalytics.com/car/WP0AB2A96HS123454/
PCA1983 is offline  
Old 01-11-2019, 10:27 PM
  #16863  
pfbz
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
pfbz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: US
Posts: 3,152
Default

Originally Posted by PCA1983 View Post
If you are looking for a strong 991.2 C2S coupe with manual tranny, here's one worth checking out at Isringhausen with all the performance options, including X51 PowerKit for gains of + 9% Hp and +11% torque. And it has 25% more torque than a 991.1 GTS or S with PowerKit.
This one is well optioned, with all the performance options, and 3900 miles, CPO, asking $112k. Looking at the Buildsheet, it looks like a dealer installed PowerKit, which is covered under full factory warranty. https://www.isringhausen.com/Invento...tockNum/123454
https://vinanalytics.com/car/WP0AB2A96HS123454/
I'm not sure it's a hot price, but it is definitely a hot build!

It's a bit odd that they checked all the sporty options (RWS, SPASM, PDCC, Sport Chrono), but left off the 18-way sport seats.

I also thought the powerkit required the sport exhaust, which also isn't on the build sheet, so perhaps that was dealer added as well.
pfbz is offline  
Old 01-12-2019, 12:31 AM
  #16864  
PCA1983
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
PCA1983's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Orlando (winter), Chicago (Summer)
Posts: 1,385
Default

Originally Posted by pfbz View Post
I'm not sure it's a hot price, but it is definitely a hot build!
It's a bit odd that they checked all the sporty options (RWS, SPASM, PDCC, Sport Chrono), but left off the 18-way sport seats.
I also thought the powerkit required the sport exhaust, which also isn't on the build sheet, so perhaps that was dealer added as well.
Yes that is strange. But a dealer installed X51 PowerKit does require PSE. So either it had it originally or it was dealer installed. It is required by Porsche, to uninstall the PowerKit. One way or the other, it has PSE now.
PCA1983 is offline  
Old 01-12-2019, 02:10 AM
  #16865  
pfbz
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
pfbz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: US
Posts: 3,152
Default

Installing PSE after purchase was always fairly pricey, but with the .2 generation PSE having center exit exhaust (and non PSE having side exit exhaust), it seems like it would be even more expensive... Does the entire rear valence get replaced?

no pictures of the car online so can't really tell much, but the original build sheet definitely doesn't show PSE.
pfbz is offline  
Old 01-12-2019, 01:26 PM
  #16866  
STG
Addict
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
STG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: FLORIDA
Posts: 13,181
Default

991.2 PSE is more $$ than 991.1

Name:  photo175.jpg
Views: 1335
Size:  651.9 KB

Name:  photo518.jpg
Views: 1324
Size:  814.9 KB
STG is offline  
Old 01-12-2019, 05:44 PM
  #16867  
mdrobc1213
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
mdrobc1213's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: On a base near you (maybe!)
Posts: 2,111
Default

Originally Posted by pfbz View Post
I'm not sure it's a hot price, but it is definitely a hot build!

It's a bit odd that they checked all the sporty options (RWS, SPASM, PDCC, Sport Chrono), but left off the 18-way sport seats.

I also thought the powerkit required the sport exhaust, which also isn't on the build sheet, so perhaps that was dealer added as well.
What should it be worth then? Rare manual and X51 powerkit? Shouldn't that command a premium? Would be interested in that the RL forum thinks on this one!
mdrobc1213 is offline  
Old 01-12-2019, 07:12 PM
  #16868  
STG
Addict
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
STG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: FLORIDA
Posts: 13,181
Default

Originally Posted by PCA1983
If you are looking for a strong 991.2 C2S coupe with manual tranny, here's one worth checking out at Isringhausen with all the performance options, including X51 PowerKit for gains of + 9% Hp and +11% torque. And it has 25% more torque than a 991.1 GTS or S with PowerKit.
This one is well optioned, with all the performance options, and 3900 miles, CPO, asking $112k. Looking at the Buildsheet, it looks like a dealer installed PowerKit, which is covered under full factory warranty. https://www.isringhausen.com/Invento...tockNum/123454
https://vinanalytics.com/car/WP0AB2A96HS123454/


WP0AB2A96HS123454

A $125K build. Would need to confirm the X51. Regardless, with it not being on the build sheet and added on, the only real value to it is for a buyer. Resale on it is very minimal.

Car has CPO too. Looks interesting if it fits someone's wish list.

Name:  photo758.jpg
Views: 1311
Size:  313.8 KB
STG is offline  
Old 01-13-2019, 02:09 AM
  #16869  
FORENN
was Es macht nichts
Rennlist Member
 
FORENN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 3,622
Default

Originally Posted by pfbz View Post
I'm not sure it's a hot price, but it is definitely a hot build!.
Correct. Seller is Isringhausen, so we know the price is high.
FORENN is offline  
Old 01-13-2019, 12:36 PM
  #16870  
STG
Addict
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
STG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: FLORIDA
Posts: 13,181
Default

Originally Posted by Es macht nichts
Correct. Seller is Isringhausen, so we know the price is high.

There is some truth to that ...
STG is offline  
Old 01-13-2019, 04:13 PM
  #16871  
visitador
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
visitador's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
Posts: 1,190
Default

Originally Posted by STG View Post
There is some truth to that ...
Everything is negotiable in life. When I was shopping, most California dealers were advertising higher prices than Isringhausen. The flip side is that my car came as advertised in a short two weeks period. You pay for what you get, and sometimes that involves quality of service.

Just out of curiosity since HFS is now open to .2 cars. Is the X51 in .2 cars mainly software or does that involve all those complicated changes as in the .1 cars?
visitador is offline  
Old 01-13-2019, 05:19 PM
  #16872  
digits
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
digits's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Seattle
Posts: 389
Default

Originally Posted by visitador View Post
Just out of curiosity since HFS is now open to .2 cars. Is the X51 in .2 cars mainly software or does that involve all those complicated changes as in the .1 cars?
It's not quite as intrusive as the 991.1 X51 powerkit. The 991.2 X51 includes updates to software of course, but it primarily is just a replacement of the Carrera S turbos with the larger ones that became the standard in the GTS (boost increases from 16 to 18 psi). It also includes a modified rear brake cooling system - except if already present (which is the case for cars that already have either PCCBs or RAS). Also, if the car does not have PSE, then you are also required to retrofit PSE.
digits is offline  
Old 01-13-2019, 07:19 PM
  #16873  
pfbz
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
pfbz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: US
Posts: 3,152
Default

Just out of curiosity since HFS is now open to .2 cars. Is the X51 in .2 cars mainly software or does that involve all those complicated changes as in the .1 cars?
Powerkit upgrade includes different turbos and different ECU software. If ordered with car, includes PSE. If ordered post sale, It requires the car to either have or be upgraded to PSE (to be fully supported by PCNA).

Couple of notes on the 991.2 generation cars regarding powerkits, as I understand it.
  • 991.2 Base, S, and GTS all use an identical 3.0 engine.
  • Thee different size turbos, three corresponding factory ECU software loads.
  • A Powerkit optioned S and standard GTS use the same largest turbos and ECU software.
  • Upgrading an S GTS/powerkit turbos and software after purchase is supported by PCNA and can be done by a dealer.
  • Upgrading a base to GTS/powerkit turbos is NOT supported by PCNA
  • Porsche requires the sport exhaust for upgrading an S to GTS/powerkit turbos and software, either originally equipped or added with the upgrade for a fully supported installation.
Also...
  • These engines are HIGHLY tunable and HIGHLY "torque managed" as configured form Porsche.
  • A base, even with the smallest turbos, can be tuned to give at least S or GTS levels of power with an aftermarket tune like Cobb even without turbo upgrades.
  • Of course the middle size turbos (S) and largest turbos (GTS/powerkit) can also be tuned for more power, but somewhat smaller gains.
  • There is no physical reason why the base can't be upgraded to the GTS/powerkit turbos, but you will need to use Cobb or other tuning rather than factory ECU tuning (which anyone who's looking for power would likely want to do anyway
Personally, I think the sweet spot for 991.2 performance per $ is a base car with Cobb tune and aftermarket exhaust. Next step being either a base (or S) upgraded to powerkit turbos ($7K fo the turbos, sometimes on sale for less). Poor mans GTS (if by poor man, you mean someone willing to spend $80-90K on a car but not $120K)
pfbz is offline  
Old 01-13-2019, 07:30 PM
  #16874  
STG
Addict
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
STG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: FLORIDA
Posts: 13,181
Default

Adding X51 to 991.2 is simple and a fraction of the time and work compared to the 991.1

As mentioned, swapping out the larger turbos is the main thing.
STG is offline  
Old 01-13-2019, 11:36 PM
  #16875  
RobC4sX51
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
RobC4sX51's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Louisville KY
Posts: 1,211
Default

Originally Posted by STG View Post
Adding X51 to 991.2 is simple and a fraction of the time and work compared to the 991.1

As mentioned, swapping out the larger turbos is the main thing.
A whole lot simpler! I know, I have a 2013 4S w the X51 added. But interesting that Porsche does not require PSE for 991.1 cars with X51. And I donĺt have PSE on mine. After 2 years (warranty expired Dec 14, 2018), I love the car more and more.
RobC4sX51 is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: HOT FOR SALE: Pick of the Week 991


Contact Us About Us Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

© 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands

We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
 
  • Ask a Question
    Get answers from community experts
Question Title:
Description:
Your question will be posted in: