HOT FOR SALE: Pick of the Week 991
07-23-2017, 05:22 PM
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Another minor difference on 2012.5 991 cars...
Now some will say "pfbz, first you insist on a manual transmission instead of a pdk because you enjoy shifting, then you want a manual that semi-automates that task. What gives?"
I have no logical answer for that, other than both manual and auto-rev make me smile when I drive more than pdk or manual without rev-match.
Link to video showing rev-matching downshifts
And the guy will skills better than mine that would hate the auto-blip... Evidently the dealer CAN turn off the feature on a later car through PIWIS, but CAN NOT enable it on an early car that didn't have it.
No auto rev match with manual transmission + Sport Chrono in Sport Plus mode. Early 2013 cars are missing this feature as well. Cutover was evidently cars with a build date before October 2012. I believe this is also the cutoff date for the change to the PCM?
I thought it was likely a gimmick that I wouldn't want or enjoy, until I drove a few cars with it. Actually pretty darn cool. Now some will say "pfbz, first you insist on a manual transmission instead of a pdk because you enjoy shifting, then you want a manual that semi-automates that task. What gives?"
I have no logical answer for that, other than both manual and auto-rev make me smile when I drive more than pdk or manual without rev-match.
Link to video showing rev-matching downshifts
And the guy will skills better than mine that would hate the auto-blip... Evidently the dealer CAN turn off the feature on a later car through PIWIS, but CAN NOT enable it on an early car that didn't have it.
Last edited by pfbz; 07-23-2017 at 05:40 PM.
07-23-2017, 05:39 PM
Burning Brakes
Heel-and-toe for rev matching is a significantly harder skill than regular shifting, and just plain awkward. You have to twist your foot halfway off the throttle. I guess there are people who are into it, but man, I'd just rather than car took care of that.
07-23-2017, 05:53 PM
Another minor difference on 2012.5 991 cars...
Now some will say "pfbz, first you insist on a manual transmission instead of a pdk because you enjoy shifting, then you want a manual that semi-automates that task. What gives?"
I have no logical answer for that, other than both manual and auto-rev make me smile when I drive more than pdk or manual without rev-match.
Link to video showing rev-matching downshifts here
And the guy will skills better than mine that would hate the auto-blip... Evidently the dealer CAN turn off the feature on a later car through PIWIS, but CAN NOT enable it on an early car that didn't have it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=onaez6jCzNU
No auto rev match with manual transmission + Sport Chrono in Sport Plus mode. Early 2013 cars are missing this feature as well. Cutover was evidently cars with a build date before October 2012. I believe this is also the cutoff date for the change to the PCM?
I thought it was likely a gimmick that I wouldn't want or enjoy, until I drove a few cars with it. Actually pretty darn cool. Now some will say "pfbz, first you insist on a manual transmission instead of a pdk because you enjoy shifting, then you want a manual that semi-automates that task. What gives?"
I have no logical answer for that, other than both manual and auto-rev make me smile when I drive more than pdk or manual without rev-match.
Link to video showing rev-matching downshifts here
And the guy will skills better than mine that would hate the auto-blip... Evidently the dealer CAN turn off the feature on a later car through PIWIS, but CAN NOT enable it on an early car that didn't have it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=onaez6jCzNU
07-23-2017, 08:47 PM
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07-23-2017, 09:04 PM
07-23-2017, 10:38 PM
07-23-2017, 10:39 PM
Burning Brakes
All I can think of, it must work for them, in the local market. Yeah, you're paying about what you'd pay for a brand new 2017 off the lot from most dealers across the country, but if no one was buying at those prices, they wouldn't do it.
California is a car culture. Particularly around Los Angeles, with the expressways and sprawl because no one wants to build upward. I've never lived near the San Jose / San Francisco area, so I don't know what it's like there, but I assume it's similar.
Not only is a car necessary, a lot of people care about nice cars. There's money there, or the real estate prices wouldn't be so high. I wouldn't be surprised if more people buy Porsches there than anywhere else.
California is a car culture. Particularly around Los Angeles, with the expressways and sprawl because no one wants to build upward. I've never lived near the San Jose / San Francisco area, so I don't know what it's like there, but I assume it's similar.
Not only is a car necessary, a lot of people care about nice cars. There's money there, or the real estate prices wouldn't be so high. I wouldn't be surprised if more people buy Porsches there than anywhere else.
07-23-2017, 10:42 PM
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07-23-2017, 11:42 PM
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BTW all that makes the 2012.5 991's "not special" compared to a 2013 works the other way, too - nothing that would prevent me from considering a low mile, well maintained, good condition 2012.5 991, either. They are solid cars! Any of the early model jitters (COV's, I'm looking at you) will have been most likely solved a long time ago.
A 2012.5 991 is a great buy!
A 2012.5 991 is a great buy!
Just out of curiosity- are there any actual changes that could be identified between the 2012.5 cars and those that were produced up to MY16 (mid 2016 or so)?
07-24-2017, 05:49 AM
I can understand the "mode bundling" for things that affect safety or maybe even performance, but usage pattern? Nope.
07-24-2017, 07:14 AM
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A few options were not available on the 2012.5 as well. Otherwise, same engine, same transmission, same interior, same exterior, etc.
07-24-2017, 10:59 AM
Right up there with Livermore Porsche and their 2016 GTS (manual) with 1600 miles on it, offered at $143,000.
https://livermore.porschedealer.com/...tallic+1297935
07-24-2017, 11:03 AM
All I can think of, it must work for them, in the local market. Yeah, you're paying about what you'd pay for a brand new 2017 off the lot from most dealers across the country, but if no one was buying at those prices, they wouldn't do it.
California is a car culture. Particularly around Los Angeles, with the expressways and sprawl because no one wants to build upward. I've never lived near the San Jose / San Francisco area, so I don't know what it's like there, but I assume it's similar.
Not only is a car necessary, a lot of people care about nice cars. There's money there, or the real estate prices wouldn't be so high. I wouldn't be surprised if more people buy Porsches there than anywhere else.
California is a car culture. Particularly around Los Angeles, with the expressways and sprawl because no one wants to build upward. I've never lived near the San Jose / San Francisco area, so I don't know what it's like there, but I assume it's similar.
Not only is a car necessary, a lot of people care about nice cars. There's money there, or the real estate prices wouldn't be so high. I wouldn't be surprised if more people buy Porsches there than anywhere else.
All true.
A.) Silicon Valley generates a lot of millionaires who spend 6+ days at work and wouldn't care about paying up.
B.) The San Francisco Bay Area is the most expensive place in the country to live.
Case in point: a 6,941 square foot Penthouse atop 181 Fremont Street in the City is being offered for $6,051 a sq. ft. ($42 million)
C.) Dealers out here will see that a 2016 GTS with close to 20,000 miles sells for $120,000 in a transaction and this gives them the chutzpah to offer a low miles GTS for nearly the price of a new 991.2 GTS