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From another thread but thought it might be of interest to
some here too!
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Originally Posted by lessthan3mph
That's good to know. Thanks for passing on that info Eduardo.
Anyone have the most recent list of colours? Or is the PTS list still secret?
Yes, some of us have received it but I, for one, have chosen
not to post it on Rennlist until we get PAG to change its recent
decision (since July 2015) to keep the list 'Confidential'. The
latest date for the list I have is Nov 17th, 2015:
I will continue to fight for the right to make it public for the
foreseeable future. I just talked to Barbara Boeckenhoff,
Manager, Porsche Exclusive - Personal Design at PCNA just
last week to remind her that I wanted an opportunity to
make my case in person to PTS officials in Zuffenhausen.
We will have to wait & see if they decide to see me.
However, the fact that even though the list is 'for internal
use only & confidential', it doesn't mean that a dealer
can not pass it on to it to any legitimate Porsche customer,
or potential new customer!
So each of you that is interested in PTS on a future Porsche
custom order should ask your authorized Porsche dealer for
it & see if he will share it with you. If he/she doesn't, I would
contact Barbara Boeckenhoff at PCNA Atlanta & ask how you
are supposed to decide on a PTS colors if you can't have
access to the latest approved PTS list?
Eduardo, I can't understand why some colour threads are not as
durable as PAG's standard threads? Is it different quality or is it
that when it's dyed to a specific colour the thread weakens?
Would it not all be the same quality?
Yes, we don't know the full story. It could have been the thickness
of the thread that did not hold on to the tear & wear of being on
the seat surface. So it might not be the color but the strength of
the actual thread involved.
But all I can tell you is that ALL of the deviating color stitching
offered on seating surfaces initially were withdrawn for a period
of time (around 2012) on the all models of the 991 & 981. And
PAG would do deviating stitching on dash, door, back side panels
and center consoles...but not on the seats! After this hiatus, PAG
resumed its offerings of standard deviating color stitching, which
around 2012 included the following colors:
Black
Platinum Grey
Yachting Blue
Luxor Beige
Espresso
Pebble Grey
Carrera Red
Agate Grey
Guards Red
Lime Gold
Amber Orange
However, after the interruption, some of deviating stitching colors that
were previously allowed by PAG via special request (e.g. 'Acid Green'
and bright 'Blue') were no longer permitted. We lost 'Acid Green'
deviating stitching (only to come back just now in the .1 991 gt3 RS)...
and we lost a bright 'Blue' deviated stitching (which would go perfect
with PTS 'Riviera', 'Mexico', 'Voodoo', etc):
So I just want all to be clear on this subject. In terms of offerings of
deviated stitching to better coordinate with the PTS exterior colors,
PAG has now LESS meaningful options than we used to have just a
few years ago during the early part of the 991/981 model years!
What other German automakers are charging for PTS....
Originally Posted by Needsdecaf
BMW's individual paint program is $5k, up to $7,500 if they have
not done the paint before. This is on a more mass market produced product.
The price does not seem excessive.
Yes, I track this kind of information all the time to see what
Porsche's competition is doing re: PTS. Audi, for example,
has currently one of the lowest PTS costs in the business:
And notice that they will respond to your true Paint to Sample
color request within one week of receiving it. What? That is
simply outrageous!
And just a few years ago, any paint that had been offered
by Audi could be ordered for only $2500. That was the PTS
deal of the 21st Century!
So the colors 'Solar Orange', 'Porsche 2D8 Green', 'Nardo Gray',
'Suzuka Grey' could have been ordered on any Audi for just
$2500! That price now was increased to $3,900 & it doesn't
matter if its a Audi color or anything else!
I am about to receive a custom ordered 2016 'Nardo Gray' RS7.
Fortunately for me, 'Nardo Gray' (a solid/uni color) is a no cost
option - but only on the RS7. So I couldn't pass up the opportunity
to get that stunning color for....free. So I am very grateful for that!
From another conversation in the 991 gt3 forum which might
be of interest to those following this 'Reference' thread.
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Originally Posted by sunnyr
Hey Eduardo,
Do you know if the red color (pic above) that shows up
in configurator when you select the 2nd PTS box is just
an imaginary placeholder color or does it represent a
real PTS choice? If latter, do you know which one (of
course, only if you are at a liberty to reveal)?
TIA
S
Imaginary...but alluding to a potential PTS color. Last year for the
PTS metallic choice they started using a representation that some
thought resembled 'Arena Red Metallic'. At times, PAG has used
other representations to designate a PTS color, such as what was
interpreted as 'Miami Blue' on the RS configurator for PTS solid/uni:
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Originally Posted by Dr. G
Good to know. Any chance Club Blau made the list?
I would think not, but Porsche has eventually put
limited edition colors on the list before, I believe.
Originally Posted by lessthan3mph
I would think there would be a minimum 5 year moratorium
on clubblau before it can be approved for PTS -- based on
what happened with sport classic grey. So that pretty much
rules out 991. Maybe 992?
In fact, Daniel, there is not 'hard & fast' rule as to when PAG decides
to remove the 'exclusivity' of a previously designated color. It took
far less than five years for 'Brewster Green', an original exclusive
color for the Club Coupe edition in MY2012, to be available to anyone
via PTS.
No, 'Club Blau' is not on the Nov 17th 2015 approved list. I had a
very specific conversation on when might 'Club Blau' become available
to others via PTS with a high-ranking employee of 'Porsche Exclusive'
Germany that made the presentation at Rennsport V on how the PCA
60th Anniversary 'GTS Club Coupe' was conceived & executed at PAG.
He told me that for MY2016, the color was 'safe' as an exclusive.
But he could, or would not, commit as to how long the color would
be held 'exclusive' to the 60th PCA Anniversary limited edition. He
did say that PCA was lobbying hard PAG to make sure that this color
remained unique to their 60th anniversary edition. But as you have
heard me say a number of times, PTS is not controlled by 'Porsche
Exclusive' at PAG. Hopefully, if they let me interview these officials
later this year, I will try to get an answer to that question.
From another thread but I thought it might be of interest to some here.
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Originally Posted by sunnyr
...Maybe it is one of the reds from this pic Eduardo posted in the other PTS thread -
Eduardo, do you know what the 2 left most reds in that pic are? Guessing the left most one is rubystone red? Thanks again.
I think you are right about the far left sample as being 'Rubystone'!
Or the color PAG today calls 'Ruby Star' / 'Sternrubin', color code 82N.
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In fact, those photos were taken at Zuffenhausen by RSGT (Gerald).
They were posted at the Reference PTS thread I started at the 991
gt3 forum. Maybe Gerald took notes of every color on that board.
You should ask him.
Some of the problematic issues I have observed re: PTS
A repost from another thread that might be of interest to some here.
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Originally Posted by SToronto
Thanks for the detailed insight!!
Sounds like the engine issue essentially crushed PTS,
possibly due to length of time to manufacture the car?
Originally Posted by Z356
No, they are not connected. Maybe you can rephrase
your theory so I can understand the logic behind that
statement & help understand what you are trying to say.
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Originally Posted by SToronto
Curious on prospects for PTS on 991.2 GT3.
From some prior posts in this thread, sounds
like PTS ends shortly after GT3 is introduced.
Originally Posted by Z356
PTS window opened last week for some Porsche MY2017 models.
We don't know if there will be a MY2017 .2 991 gt3. But if there
is & allocations are handed out AFTER the PTS window closes for
the limited capacity PAG has for doing PTS at Zuffenhausen that
model year, you are S** out of luck!
Or Porsche may decide NO PTS for the .2 991 gt3, just
like what they elected NOT to allow for the few MY2016 .1 991 gt3!
Or they may skip a model year, release a .2 991 gt3 in MY2018,
& do it in a timely manner so that their allocations to dealers &
customers allow their manufacturing slots to qualify for the limited
# of PTS capable of being done by PAG at Zuffenhausen. Then
you & other customers wanting PTS on their .2 991 gt3s will be
'in' luck...& not 'SOL'.
We really don't understand yet how many decisions are made
re: PTS at Porsche. That is why I want to go to 'the source' &
interview them to get better insight as to how THEY view PTS.
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Originally Posted by SToronto
What was trying to say was that perhaps they elected not to offer
PTS once the engine fiasco started. In order to save that time in
manufacturing a PTS car. Use that time for resolving the engine
issue and to move through the model cycle.
I have a deposit down for an allocation slot and the paperwork
states 2018. SA was sure that's what it'll be. However may not
actually be the case.
Originally Posted by Z356
PTS is a program for various Porsche model across their product lines.
So the 'Stop Sale' on the MY2014 .1 991 gt3 should not, and did not,
effect PTS for the regular 991 & 981 models. Porsche has experienced
'quality control' issues (see photo below) with PTS that has created the
delays, the moratoriums & the temporary cancellations of the program
from time to time. They are not related to the engine issues. My dos
centavos for what it's worth.
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Originally Posted by SToronto
Testing colours in that pic?
Is that voodoo on the wing?
Originally Posted by Z356
No, that photo shows the downside of less than
perfect 'Just in Time' & 'Just in Sequence' logistics.
If you look closely, you see a variety of colors -
some PTS and some not.
'Voodoo Blue' or 'Maritime Blue' rear wing; 'Riviera Blue' rear bumper;
'Cognac' door handles; 'Lime Gold Metallic' rear view mirror casings;
And 'Aqua Blue Metallic' everything else!
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For my theory on the 'Quality Control' problems that the PTS program
has experienced in recent past, I suggest you read the following post
that I wrote back on 11/15/2014:
I am looking at a 2015 C2S with a black interior that has red deviated stitching on the front and rear seats. The deviated stitching doesn't show up on the build sheet the dealer provided. I was told that Z options won't show up on it.
Go.illini: based on our recent CPO purchase that had deviated stitching my experience is that the normal build sheet doesn't show deviated stitching but there is a Porsche document that does list all the exclusive options relative to leather, paint, and stitching. I just can't remember what it is called.
To everyone else and in support of Eduardo's frustrations (and ours) the new Panorama has an article on PTS. Kinda sorta reads like the Cliffs Notes version of this thread.
Trying to spec out some black rims for my PTS pastel orange Targa4S build before I lock it down in the summer. None of the black options on the config are doing it for me. Anyone have some inside on any 'exclusive' wheels?
You need to visit Porsche Exclusive and request a CXX option......See the wheels on my TARGA GTS....CXX option..Turbo S polished Wheels.....be prepared to pay for it......WORTH THE $$$$$
It looks like they've added the leather to sample option as well. The configurer shows a green leather interior.
I don't see it on the US configurator. Can you point out what you are
referring to & perhaps capture an image of it to post so that you know
re: green leather interior.
Previous (8/10/2014) 'Leather to Sample' list as I know it is attached for
comparison purposes.
02-12-2016, 06:41 PM
'For Internal Use Only & Confidential'
