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Old 05-31-2015, 06:45 PM
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I’m a bit confused in finalising my build before locking next week.

My car will be a 2016 GTS with as much of the GTS Alcantara (088 and GR packages) one could possibly get, in black with Rhodium stitching. My query is 2 fold:

1. I’ve optioned several extras e.g. XWK (backrests in leather), CUJ (fusebox leather), CZW, etc. All these in the 3D version of the configurator are automatically shown with deviated stitching in Rhodium - which is what I want. But on my order, no mention is made of the colour of the stitching.
Reading through this thread, there is debate between Suzy, Pyramid, Jupjai and Ironmanski at around posts number 226 - 238, as to whether the deviation for the minor options will automatically (or not) follow the deviation selected for the main interior (088 and GR) which for a GTS is either Rhodium, Carmine or none.
Did this get resolved? Should my order state Rhodium against the minor options or can I rely on Porsche to follow the main interior stitching for all minor options and to do these in Rhodium too?

2. Has anyone managed to get a deviated stitched Sport Design steering wheel on a GTS? I was sure, until earlier today, that I had seen pictures, but now I realise that all the deviated wheels I have seen have been on Turbo, GT3, Club Special or Cayman. Google has been no friend.
Please tell me that someone has managed to get a nice Alcantara with Rhodium sports design wheel on a GTS.

Eduardo, this is a terrific thread and it has helped me immensely so far. Many thanks to you and to all those that have contributed to building this bank of knowledge.
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I ordered my 2016 GTS last month with the full GTS interior with Rhodium deviated stitching as well as additional leather options...

When I wanted Rhodium stitching on the Sport Design wheel, the request had to go to Exclusive in Atlanta. I was told that the cost would be at least $4000.00 and would delay the build by a week. (my dealer forwarded me the email so that I wouldn't think they were the ones who were trying to make a home-run). Their explanation for the high price was that the wheel would have to be pulled off-line and done by hand. My feeling was that they do it all the time for other models - so what was the big deal... Was it because my car was a lowly GTS? (fwiw, my build became a $160K GTS)

I initially approved the additional cost, but after a day or so I became so pissed off that I cancelled the request. I decided that I'd buy a new alcantara Sport Design wheel for $1100 and pay MA Carbon to re-stitch the wheel with Rhodium. It would cost half as much, and I'd feel better giving MA Carbon the $$ rather than PCNA. I'd then have a spare stock wheel when I sell the car in case the alcantara got funky/shiny from driving.
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Originally Posted by Puf n Stuf View Post
I’m a bit confused in finalising my build before locking next week.

My car will be a 2016 GTS with as much of the GTS Alcantara (088 and GR packages) one could possibly get, in black with Rhodium stitching. My query is 2 fold:

1. I’ve optioned several extras e.g. XWK (backrests in leather), CUJ (fusebox leather), CZW, etc. All these in the 3D version of the configurator are automatically shown with deviated stitching in Rhodium - which is what I want. But on my order, no mention is made of the colour of the stitching.
Reading through this thread, there is debate between Suzy, Pyramid, Jupjai and Ironmanski at around posts number 226 - 238, as to whether the deviation for the minor options will automatically (or not) follow the deviation selected for the main interior (088 and GR) which for a GTS is either Rhodium, Carmine or none.
Did this get resolved? Should my order state Rhodium against the minor options or can I rely on Porsche to follow the main interior stitching for all minor options and to do these in Rhodium too?

2. Has anyone managed to get a deviated stitched Sport Design steering wheel on a GTS? I was sure, until earlier today, that I had seen pictures, but now I realise that all the deviated wheels I have seen have been on Turbo, GT3, Club Special or Cayman. Google has been no friend.
Please tell me that someone has managed to get a nice Alcantara with Rhodium sports design wheel on a GTS.

Eduardo, this is a terrific thread and it has helped me immensely so far. Many thanks to you and to all those that have contributed to building this bank of knowledge.
Thank you for the nice words. Yes, there has been a lot of contributors to build up this knowledge base. Talking about that, I believe that Rennlister hinckley, a perhaps others, have reported here that maybe you can 'rely on Porsche to follow the main interior stitching for all minor options and to do these in Rhodium too'. But send him a PM or email.

I don't know the latest on your #2 question. But Rennlister Henry (JUPJAI) in Canada was able to get it on his 911 Turbo S:



Send him a PM or email about how he got that done!

If all else fails, I would contact directly your 'Porsche Exclusive' person at Porsche UK or even go directly to 'Porsche Exclusive' in Germany. Contact me via PM or email and I'll send you a name there to reach out to. He speaks English and works directly for 'Porsche Exclusive'.

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Old 06-01-2015, 12:36 AM
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I was involved with John D from the beginning as were several other members. We were "gifted" Lifetime Rennlist Memberships for our help...
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Originally Posted by Puf n Stuf View Post
whether the deviation for the minor options will automatically (or not) follow the deviation selected for the main interior (088 and GR) which for a GTS is either Rhodium, Carmine or none.
Did this get resolved? Should my order state Rhodium against the minor options or can I rely on Porsche to follow the main interior stitching for all minor options and to do these in Rhodium too?

2. Has anyone managed to get a deviated stitched Sport Design steering wheel on a GTS? I was sure, until earlier today, that I had seen pictures, but now I realise that all the deviated wheels I have seen have been on Turbo, GT3, Club Special or Cayman.
Here's my experience (with a GT3). I opted for a minor CXX change on the steering wheel through Exclusive (yellow marker stripe at 12 o'clock), and I was told the default stitching would be black (despite all the rest of the GT3 interior stitching being platinum--there is no black stitching on the 991 GT3 AFAIK). So I had to specify (and pay for) restoring the platinum stitching on the steering wheel. My understanding also is that they have to remove the steering wheel and its covering, make the change and restitch it at the Custom Tailoring (CT) part of the factory (this info came from GT3 owners who went to an event at the new Porsche Experience Center where an engineer apparently explained the process to them). FWIW, it reportedly costs PAG a lot to do this, so they may actually be losing money on this option. Good luck with your build! Sounds incredible!
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Old 06-01-2015, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Puf n Stuf View Post
1. I’ve optioned several extras e.g. XWK (backrests in leather), CUJ (fusebox leather), CZW, etc. All these in the 3D version of the configurator are automatically shown with deviated stitching in Rhodium - which is what I want. But on my order, no mention is made of the colour of the stitching. Reading through this thread, there is debate between Suzy, Pyramid, Jupjai and Ironmanski at around posts number 226 - 238, as to whether the deviation for the minor options will automatically (or not) follow the deviation selected for the main interior (088 and GR) which for a GTS is either Rhodium, Carmine or none. Did this get resolved? Should my order state Rhodium against the minor options or can I rely on Porsche to follow the main interior stitching for all minor options and to do these in Rhodium too?
I may add more confusion than anything else on this topic . . .

I ordered a GTS with Espresso/Cognac and several interior leather options. As it turns out, CZW (dashboard) and CTK (air vents) came with deviating stitching. However, XNS (steering column casing) did not. Fwiw, "deviating stitching" was not shown anywhere on the order for those options. There is a notes section for each option on the dealer's ordering system and we did note the deviating stitching request, but my guess is that that did not really matter. One other thing - deviating stitching is free of charge for CZW and CTK on regular 911s with two-tone interiors, but it is an extra cost option for XNS. And since those extra cost deviating stitching options are not available on the GTS, it probably makes sense that I did not get it with XNS.

But I think that the special GTS interior (alcantara with Carmine or Rhodium) may be different. I know that the configurator shows deviating stitching for pretty much all of the leather options (I think it looks great). And although others may disagree, I've always found the configurator to be pretty accurate. After all, why would someone have specially programmed the configurator with all the deviating stitching for that interior if it wasn't included in the package? So my guess is that it is included. I hope for your sake I'm right.
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Originally Posted by sezme View Post
the cost would be at least $4000.00
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FWIW, it reportedly costs PAG a lot to do this, so they may actually be losing money on this option. Good luck with your build! Sounds incredible!
WOW. At $4k minimum, it’’s not going to happen for me. Good heavens, no! But I’ll take your idea, Sezme, of getting an independent specialist to do the work.
Through Piston Heads, I have found a specialist that’s only 20 minutes from me in Aylesbury - what luck. I didn’t know that such specialist artisan businesses existed. I’ll drop by to have a look at the quality of their work but it should be good as they appear to have some connection to the Queen, God bless her: http://www.RoyalSteeringWheels.com
If it’s of interest, here’s a review featuring a Porsche wheel: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/t...wheel%3F&mid=0

And <3mph (what’s that name about?), I like the idea of including a 12 O’clock marker, probably in Rhodium, possibly something else.

I can’t rush this bit as I don’t yet know whether the Sport Design wheel is going to be replaced by the Macan wheel.


Originally Posted by hinckley View Post
But I think that the special GTS interior (alcantara with Carmine or Rhodium) may be different. ...And although others may disagree, I've always found the configurator to be pretty accurate. After all, why would someone have specially programmed the configurator with all the deviating stitching for that interior if it wasn't included in the package? So my guess is that it is included. I hope for your sake I'm right.
Hinkley, I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. So I’ve tested this out: in 3D mode, got my configuration set up with main GTS Alcantara 088 & GR packages, with all the little options shown with deviating stitching, including steering column leather, fuse box covers, etc. Then I changed the interior colour to Yachting Blue and every bit of deviating stitching disappeared. Then I changed it to Expresso / Cognac and Cognac deviated stitching appeared but only along the line following the bottom of the side windows and along the top of the dash.

Then when I reselected with the main GTS Alcantara 088 & GR packages, all my little options reappeared with full deviated stitching. Yes!

Then, going back to the options menu, and re-reading the information box it says (and check out the first 4 words - the information was there but it hadn’t sunk in until now):





I don’t think I’ll rely on just these 4 words. I’ll ask the dealer to note it as well. Belt and braces and all that.

Sezme, Eduardo, <3mph and Hinkley, what can I say other than thank you for taking the time to respond and for providing your valuable advice. I hope I shall be able to reciprocate at some point.
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Thanks to mopgcw, we have this Leather-to-Sample list. As soon as more information becomes available, I will post it!

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Hi Eduardo,

I'm new to Rennlist, but have been spending the last few days trying to figure out how I'm going to configure my GTS. Thank you very much for assembling this wealth of information about how to work with exclusive configurations.
I really wanted to go with Natural leather and just saw that Natural Black is available as a leather to sample. I was thinking of having the seats in Natural Brown or Cognac. Which do you think would work best?

Thank you
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Hi Eduardo,

I'm new to Rennlist, but have been spending the last few days trying to figure out how I'm going to configure my GTS. Thank you very much for assembling this wealth of information about how to work with exclusive configurations.
I really wanted to go with Natural leather and just saw that Natural Black is available as a leather to sample. I was thinking of having the seats in Natural Brown or Cognac. Which do you think would work best?

Thank you
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Paulo:

If you are thinking 'Natural Brown' or 'Cognac', which means either of those two interior colors go with the exterior color you have selected, I think it makes the best sense to spend the extra euros, dollars or pesos on a two tone 'Espresso / Cognac' full leather interior. That gets you the higher quality & grade 'Natural Leather' on both the seats and the other panels (dash, doors, etc)...plus the deviating stitching in 'Cognac' on some of the darker 'Espresso' panels!

I love Leather to Sample 'Natural Brown'. But in order to look well coordinated, you have to spend a fortune doing additional options in leather to cover all the interior trim that will come on any Leather to Sample interior in 'black'. It doesn't end up being a reasonable investment...unless you have money to burn. Given the lovely look and feel of the two tone 'Espresso / Cognac', that would be my choice.

Leather to Sample in 'Natural Black' is available but seldom ordered because nobody knows the difference between the grades in 'Black' leather. I have never seen 'Natural Black' leather in person. And quite frankly, neither had Melissa Witek when I asked her about it. She works for 'Porsche Exclusive' and had never had one single request for 'Natural Black' leather. If money was no object and you plan to finish the interior in a bold deviating color stitching...I would indeed order 'Natural Black' Leather to Sample if your exterior color demanded a black interior. For example, had I been given a choice, I would have asked that for my recent 'Signal Green' gt3 acquisition. But my built status was 'locked' or 'frozen' when I found my car, so I never faced that possibility.





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I tried to get Red Stitching on my Targa GTS build on my sport wheel. I was told that it was Not available.

I know you can always go aftermarket route for about $3200
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Originally Posted by Puf n Stuf View Post
And <3mph (what’s that name about?), I like the idea of including a 12 O’clock marker, probably in Rhodium, possibly something else.

I can’t rush this bit as I don’t yet know whether the Sport Design wheel is going to be replaced by the Macan wheel.
Yes, if the RS is any indication, the steering wheel may very well change to the 918/Macan look. I doubt any other 911 variants will get the marker stripe as a standard feature (other than the RS, as is traditional) though. So for this option, you'll have to either go factory Exclusive (pricey), or aftermarket. While the factory will do a lot (see photo below of someone else's leather steering wheel with marker stripe and two colour deviated stitching!), getting permission for a new colour of marker stripe like Rhodium may take months and is not guaranteed to pass. To get my plain-vanilla alcantara yellow stripe (next photo) took more than 3 months just for approval IIRC. BTW, I noticed my custom factory stripe is actually wider than the standard RS stripe. I'm not sure why, other than that's the way the factory decided to do mine. I actually kind of like it wider, but don't assume that is the way yours would be if you ordered it from Exclusive.

Anyway, you may be better off with aftermarket, unless you are adamant you want all mods to be "official" from PAG. As for the name, I'm not really sure. I got it when I was waiting, and waiting, and waiting, for my GT3. So things were going a little slow. But there are other ways to interpret it, including "heart" MPH. Good luck with your build, and please post some photos when you get it!

BTW, I wrote up a little more on my experience with Exclusive on the steering wheel in post #57 on 'the modegrau / Fashion grey thread' (the colour of my car) in case you're interested: https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3/...-thread-4.html.





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Paulo:

If you are thinking 'Natural Brown' or 'Cognac', which means either of those two interior colors go with the exterior color you have selected, I think it makes the best sense to spend the extra euros, dollars or pesos on a two tone 'Espresso / Cognac' full leather interior. That gets you the higher quality & grade 'Natural Leather' on both the seats and the other panels (dash, doors, etc)...plus the deviating stitching in 'Cognac' on some of the darker 'Espresso' panels!

I love Leather to Sample 'Natural Brown'. But in order to look well coordinated, you have to spend a fortune doing additional options in leather to cover all the interior trim that will come on any Leather to Sample interior in 'black'. It doesn't end up being a reasonable investment...unless you have money to burn. Given the lovely look and feel of the two tone 'Espresso / Cognac', that would be my choice.

Leather to Sample in 'Natural Black' is available but seldom ordered because nobody knows the difference between the grades in 'Black' leather. I have never seen 'Natural Black' leather in person. And quite frankly, neither had Melissa Witek when I asked her about it. She works for 'Porsche Exclusive' and had never had one single request for 'Natural Black' leather. If money was no object and you plan to finish the interior in a bold deviating color stitching...I would indeed order 'Natural Black' Leather to Sample if your exterior color demanded a black interior. For example, had I been given a choice, I would have asked that for my recent 'Signal Green' gt3 acquisition. But my built status was 'locked' or 'frozen' when I found my car, so I never faced that possibility.





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Hi Eduardo, I contacted Melissa Witek, who very quickly responded to me with the bad news. Can't use Leather to Sample on the GTS, and if I change away from the Alcantara package (to Leather) I can't have deviated stitching either.

So my options are: either go back to the GTS package or go to a 911 with X51. Then I would be able to order Natural Leather and Deviated Stitching.
Before adding the cost of Natural Leather and Deviated Stitching, It will be about $10K, or $15-20K to move from the GTS package in Alcantara to Natural leather with deviated stitching. I've got a lot of thinking to do!!

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The challenge with Expresso/Cognac in a cabriolet is that it doesn't look good with a black roof. It looks like something that wasn't thought through from a design standpoint.



Mismatch of espresso-cognac with a convertible black roof
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The challenge with Expresso/Cognac in a cabriolet is that it doesn't look good with a black roof. It looks like something that wasn't thought through from a design standpoint.
If you are considering a DBM Cab, you've got to go with the blue roof. It matches the body color almost exactly so that the Cab looks like a Coupe with the roof up. See my car here: https://rennlist.com/forums/991/8730...t-the-gts.html. Also, note that in a GTS with Espresso/Cognac interior, in addition to the normal two-tone interior's deviating stitching, you can get additional deviating stitching with options CZW (dashboard) and CTK (air vents).
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The 'book' is an option provided by 'Porsche Exclusive'. They take photos of your specific car while still in production at Zuffenhausen and make a hard-bound 'memento' of it for your coffee table! It's not listed on the configurator. But in the past it definitively has been available to those who are in the know, request it and are willing to pay for it! I don't remember exactly the cost of this option, but it was expensive! Over €1K if I recall correctly. It was quoted to me when I saw one for the first time in person last year at the factory in Zuffenhausen. It was a copy of one ordered by a client for his PTS vehicle. And it was on display in the special work room where post-production customization of select 'Porsche Exclusive' options are installed in cars that are coming out of the general assembly line! This work room is located right behind the normal 'factory delivery day' pick-up room on the second floor. This is the building which has an entrance on Porschestraße in Zuffenhausen and its often refer to as the 'Driver's Selection Shop' at Porsche!

The only US vehicle I have ever seen one ordered with was the 'Lichtgrün /Birch Green' .2 997 gt3 RS ordered by Porsche of San Diego in 2011! Keith I suggest you or your dealer contact 'Porsche Exclusive' in the US or Germany to find out the exact cost of this option for you upcoming PTS vehicle order! Or you can contact Matthew Bang at Porsche of San Diego and see if he remembers the exact price of that book on their old 'Lichtgrün /Birch Green' .2 997 gt3 RS!

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I decided to look into this book while ordering my 991 GTS and can share the following based on my email conversation with Melissa Witek (Porsche Exclusive)

- it is available on any car (not limited to paint to sample vehicles)
- it is ONLY available in conjunction with European Delivery (due to handling of the photoshoot by the German customer center department)
- it can be special ordered through Porsche Exclusive who will then invoice the dealer
- the price of the photobook is 990 Euro
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