What the 991 should have been...
11-18-2011, 07:22 PM
#1
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What the 991 should have been...
I do not mean an air-cooled engine, but a less bulky, less-GT, more 11 version. 
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11-18-2011, 09:37 PM
#2
Three Wheelin'
Thank you. I thought I was the only one thinking that as the 911 continues to get further from it's roots. I bought a 997S new, it was my 12th Porsche and I thought it was pretty disappointing for $100K, so much that I'm going to pass on the 991. What I would give for a 2500 pound 350+ HP 911 that felt like a sports car.
11-18-2011, 11:38 PM
#3
Drifting
Tony, I am so glad that the 991 is not anywhere close to that. Is it was I would have taken a serious bath on the 997 to 991 swap. Phew .. Thank you Porsche.
11-19-2011, 01:41 AM
#4
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So that car is just a near cost-no-object of how we hacked pretty much every dead longhood or 2.7L car up throughout the '80s? I even did my own on a '68 (~2100 lb. widebody w/ 2.7RS spec engine) when I was 19 back in '81.
11-19-2011, 10:25 AM
#5
Ironman 140.6
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11-19-2011, 11:02 AM
#6
The 991 is not an enthusiast's car. It is designed for the rising upper class in "developing" countries. Many of these people have likely learned how to drive relatively late in life and will need all the help they can get. China is THE growth market for luxury automobiles and while many of those millionaires (60% by some estimates) are laying the groundwork to get their wealth and their families out of mainland China, they will still be a significant buyer of the 991 once they leave China.
Like it or not Porsche runs a business, historically one of the most profitable car producing businesses in the world. They will continue to produce "enthusiast versions" at the end of the run life but that represents a very small part of overall sales. Despite Porsche saying the U.S. remains the company's most important market that is a disingenuous statement. In terms of volume, yes, today that is true. But growth is the holy grail of business and that is going to come from countries that have created enormous wealth and where there is pent-up buying demand.
Like it or not Porsche runs a business, historically one of the most profitable car producing businesses in the world. They will continue to produce "enthusiast versions" at the end of the run life but that represents a very small part of overall sales. Despite Porsche saying the U.S. remains the company's most important market that is a disingenuous statement. In terms of volume, yes, today that is true. But growth is the holy grail of business and that is going to come from countries that have created enormous wealth and where there is pent-up buying demand.
11-19-2011, 12:12 PM
#7
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The 991 is not an enthusiast's car. It is designed for the rising upper class in "developing" countries. Many of these people have likely learned how to drive relatively late in life and will need all the help they can get. China is THE growth market for luxury automobiles and while many of those millionaires (60% by some estimates) are laying the groundwork to get their wealth and their families out of mainland China, they will still be a significant buyer of the 991 once they leave China.
Like it or not Porsche runs a business, historically one of the most profitable car producing businesses in the world. They will continue to produce "enthusiast versions" at the end of the run life but that represents a very small part of overall sales. Despite Porsche saying the U.S. remains the company's most important market that is a disingenuous statement. In terms of volume, yes, today that is true. But growth is the holy grail of business and that is going to come from countries that have created enormous wealth and where there is pent-up buying demand.
Like it or not Porsche runs a business, historically one of the most profitable car producing businesses in the world. They will continue to produce "enthusiast versions" at the end of the run life but that represents a very small part of overall sales. Despite Porsche saying the U.S. remains the company's most important market that is a disingenuous statement. In terms of volume, yes, today that is true. But growth is the holy grail of business and that is going to come from countries that have created enormous wealth and where there is pent-up buying demand.
Life evolves. They were on life support in the 964 era and adapted. I think they sold 1500 of them here in '92. This model is the first "new" 911 I'd give a passing thought to since the 993. Granted, we're talking me getting a '12 in '20. But as an automatic convertible for just rolling up and down the road it would be nice. God knows you can't even sniff at using the performance; you're still driving under the limits of a decent 912 on the street. And on track there really won't be any of these I'd find more appealing in stock form versus my present stone-age air cooled.
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11-19-2011, 12:14 PM
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The 991 is not an enthusiast's car. It is designed for the rising upper class in "developing" countries. Many of these people have likely learned how to drive relatively late in life and will need all the help they can get. China is THE growth market for luxury automobiles and while many of those millionaires (60% by some estimates) are laying the groundwork to get their wealth and their families out of mainland China, they will still be a significant buyer of the 991 once they leave China.
Like it or not Porsche runs a business, historically one of the most profitable car producing businesses in the world. They will continue to produce "enthusiast versions" at the end of the run life but that represents a very small part of overall sales. Despite Porsche saying the U.S. remains the company's most important market that is a disingenuous statement. In terms of volume, yes, today that is true. But growth is the holy grail of business and that is going to come from countries that have created enormous wealth and where there is pent-up buying demand.
Like it or not Porsche runs a business, historically one of the most profitable car producing businesses in the world. They will continue to produce "enthusiast versions" at the end of the run life but that represents a very small part of overall sales. Despite Porsche saying the U.S. remains the company's most important market that is a disingenuous statement. In terms of volume, yes, today that is true. But growth is the holy grail of business and that is going to come from countries that have created enormous wealth and where there is pent-up buying demand.
11-19-2011, 01:41 PM
#9
Nordschleife Master
Thread Starter
The 991 is not an enthusiast's car. It is designed for the rising upper class in "developing" countries. Many of these people have likely learned how to drive relatively late in life and will need all the help they can get. China is THE growth market for luxury automobiles and while many of those millionaires (60% by some estimates) are laying the groundwork to get their wealth and their families out of mainland China, they will still be a significant buyer of the 991 once they leave China.
Like it or not Porsche runs a business, historically one of the most profitable car producing businesses in the world. They will continue to produce "enthusiast versions" at the end of the run life but that represents a very small part of overall sales. Despite Porsche saying the U.S. remains the company's most important market that is a disingenuous statement. In terms of volume, yes, today that is true. But growth is the holy grail of business and that is going to come from countries that have created enormous wealth and where there is pent-up buying demand.
Like it or not Porsche runs a business, historically one of the most profitable car producing businesses in the world. They will continue to produce "enthusiast versions" at the end of the run life but that represents a very small part of overall sales. Despite Porsche saying the U.S. remains the company's most important market that is a disingenuous statement. In terms of volume, yes, today that is true. But growth is the holy grail of business and that is going to come from countries that have created enormous wealth and where there is pent-up buying demand.
11-19-2011, 07:33 PM
#10
The 991 is not an enthusiast's car. It is designed for the rising upper class in "developing" countries. Many of these people have likely learned how to drive relatively late in life and will need all the help they can get. China is THE growth market for luxury automobiles and while many of those millionaires (60% by some estimates) are laying the groundwork to get their wealth and their families out of mainland China, they will still be a significant buyer of the 991 once they leave China.
Like it or not Porsche runs a business, historically one of the most profitable car producing businesses in the world. They will continue to produce "enthusiast versions" at the end of the run life but that represents a very small part of overall sales. Despite Porsche saying the U.S. remains the company's most important market that is a disingenuous statement. In terms of volume, yes, today that is true. But growth is the holy grail of business and that is going to come from countries that have created enormous wealth and where there is pent-up buying demand.
Like it or not Porsche runs a business, historically one of the most profitable car producing businesses in the world. They will continue to produce "enthusiast versions" at the end of the run life but that represents a very small part of overall sales. Despite Porsche saying the U.S. remains the company's most important market that is a disingenuous statement. In terms of volume, yes, today that is true. But growth is the holy grail of business and that is going to come from countries that have created enormous wealth and where there is pent-up buying demand.
11-19-2011, 07:37 PM
#11
Nordschleife Master
Thread Starter
You're trying to sell the notion that people who've been successful in a cut throat business environment like China are not sophisticated enough consumers to appreciate a 911? All the upper middle class westerners driving Porsches are true enthusiasts skilled in driving their 911s to the limit?
11-19-2011, 10:32 PM
#12
Ironman 140.6
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I do not think that he's stating that. I think what he's saying is that more and more new customers are used to robotized transportation, they learned to drive in soft cars with little or no dynamic feedback. That is what new customers are used to and expect (worldwide) and PAG knows that.
Let me guess, you drive a 997?
11-19-2011, 11:48 PM
#13
Nordschleife Master
Thread Starter
FYI... some of us can read a spec sheet and infer performance differences. In the case of the 991 it was actually pretty easy. The differences I predicted have been confirmed to a 'T' by all published reviews - larger car feel, quieter/more isolated, less chatty steering, very 'stable' (read less pendulum), less 911. But... a higher performance envelope. Understand now?
11-20-2011, 05:41 AM
#14
Three Wheelin'
Am I correct in thinking you are a somewhat older gentleman ? I get that impression from reading your 991 posts. Your 997II is young and Porsche builds long lasting cars. Can't you just make your car last for the rest of your life ? Problem solved, no ?
And let the rest who like the 991 enjoy the car. Every post you make regarding that car is the same. Why waste your energy constantly repeating yourself?
Just saying...
If I am out of line I apologize and blame the language difference
And let the rest who like the 991 enjoy the car. Every post you make regarding that car is the same. Why waste your energy constantly repeating yourself?
Just saying...
If I am out of line I apologize and blame the language difference
11-20-2011, 12:43 PM
#15
Nordschleife Master
