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Old 05-05-2019, 11:55 AM
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This is my second 911 and I'm still learning to corner. It's a little more of a learning curve with the PDK. I've always driven manuals. I've had 5 m cars and a few DE's.

I've got a favorite 90 degree right hand corner I've been practicing on.

Hard acceleration, late braking hard, downshift to 2nd, front tires fully loaded, forceful pull on steering wheel, squeeze gas too wot.

Sound right?
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Pretty much. Go in fast then modulate brakes to go through the corner at the tires' limits maybe with some drift, then use all the power on way out. You could brake a little less get on the power earlier with AWD.

Tires and brakes get toast pretty quick.
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Go to the track, youll learn a lot in 2 days
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Go to the track, youll learn a lot in 2 days
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Did the PEC Atlanta in a PDK C4S, brakes were fantastic and the car was glued to the pavement.

Getting ready to reserve a two-day at the Barber for next month. Really looking forward to that.

The limits available are way impressive.
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Originally Posted by adcampo
This is my second 911 and I'm still learning to corner. It's a little more of a learning curve with the PDK. I've always driven manuals. I've had 5 m cars and a few DE's.

I've got a favorite 90 degree right hand corner I've been practicing on.

Hard acceleration, late braking hard, downshift to 2nd, front tires fully loaded, forceful pull on steering wheel, squeeze gas too wot.

Sound right?
You want to brake hard at the beg of the brake zone and let up as you get to turn in to transfer weight to the back of the car so the car is neutral in the turn in arc and as you hit the apex. Downshift before turn in. It's the opposite of street of driving where you progressively apply more brake. Nothing should be forceful, all smooth. Also, slow in fast out is what you want and get your braking done before turning.
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Yep - brake hard and turn in late to straighten out your exit line allowing for a faster exit and top speed on the straight. Very late apex on a 90 degree turn. Once you are pointed to your apex point I would go WOT. Ie BEFORE the apex. No coasting for me. The weight goes to the rear and provides a great deal of grip and since you have a straighter exit you shouldn't experience any understeer.
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Originally Posted by NA430GTS
Yep - brake hard and turn in late to straighten out your exit line allowing for a faster exit and top speed on the straight. Very late apex on a 90 degree turn. Once you are pointed to your apex point I would go WOT. Ie BEFORE the apex. No coasting for me. The weight goes to the rear and provides a great deal of grip and since you have a straighter exit you shouldn't experience any understeer.
Technically, you shouldn't be WOT until after the apex and after transitioning the car from neutral balance. After the apex you roll on the throttle, don't stab at it, so the wheel can unwind. You should be at full throttle right after the steering wheel is done unwinding at track out. Or at the gutter of the street the OP is going to be practicing this at....LOL
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I did a car control school this weekend with the local PCA chapter (LSRPCA). Getting the car on a skidpad is very eye opening. I finally understand what pro drivers mean by "steer the car with the throttle" now when talking about the 911. It was a lot of fun & highly recommended, even if you've done track driving before... and I get an insurance discount for it.
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Thanks everyone. I'm looking into a DE or car control class to take over the summer.

One thing I want to confirm, don't lift off gas or brake mid corner?
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Originally Posted by adcampo
Thanks everyone. I'm looking into a DE or car control class to take over the summer.

One thing I want to confirm, don't lift off gas or brake mid corner?
Smoothly modulate either. You really want to be off the brake before you turn into the corner so the car is settled, and then smoothly on the gas, gradually increasing as you pass apex until full throttle as the wheel straightens; you can use the gas pedal to modulate the steering angle without moving the wheel. You do these things harder & faster depending on your speed, but always smoothly. Stabbing either is a good way to get in bad shape.

At least this is my belief based on my limited HPDE experience. Interested to hear other takes.
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Originally Posted by adcampo
Thanks everyone. I'm looking into a DE or car control class to take over the summer.

One thing I want to confirm, don't lift off gas or brake mid corner?
If you go into a corner a little hot, lift and report back to us! Pics would be great!

J/K, unless you want to track out with the rear of the car leading you....

Seriously, most novices can't feel the limit of the car's grip. In most cases , you'll think you entered a corner a little hot and want to lift/brake. Do the opposite and maintain/apply throttle, chances are the car will have enough grip and you'll make the turn. If you lift the car could rotate and that's bad. However, as a novice you may not be going fast enough and the car won't rotate but the rear end will wiggle a bit and you'll be fine cause the nannies will kick in.

If you are at the limit, lifting will rotate the car and you will spin. If you maintain throttle, the front tires will exceed the friction circle and you will slide off track into the runoff area which is better than spinning and losing control of the car.



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