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Southbranch 04-19-2019 03:25 PM

So, what caused the scoring? Piston slap? Leaky injector/preignition-related overheating?

Lucky991 04-19-2019 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by Southbranch (Post 15785303)
So, what caused the scoring? Piston slap? Leaky injector/preignition-related overheating?

Agreed, I'd like to know the root cause and how to avoid. Is the only fix literally a new engine? And is that appropriate under warranty but outside of it is it safe to live with and what precautions does one have to take when they have confirmed scoring?

Airbag997 04-19-2019 04:02 PM

Three primary things (IMO) contribute to bore-scoring:
  1. Cold oil (people screaming the motor before the oil temps are 180 degrees or higher)
  2. Use of Mobil 1 vs. a Good oil like Motul
  3. Cold climates in conjunction to the above

Tampa991 04-19-2019 10:53 PM

One theory - I believe the main cause of bore scoring is due to DFI where the injector could be compromised and be spraying too much fuel...this causes the lubricated cylinder wall to be washed down and metal to metal wear occurs over time.

sampelligrino 04-19-2019 11:23 PM


Originally Posted by Airbag997 (Post 15785389)
Three primary things (IMO) contribute to bore-scoring:
  1. Cold oil (people screaming the motor before the oil temps are 180 degrees or higher)
  2. Use of Mobil 1 vs. a Good oil like Motul
  3. Cold climates in conjunction to the above

can you elaborate?


Originally Posted by Tampa991 (Post 15786258)
One theory - I believe the main cause of bore scoring is due to DFI where the injector could be compromised and be spraying too much fuel...this causes the lubricated cylinder wall to be washed down and metal to metal wear occurs over time.

and is there anything within our control or preventable in the regard? lol

Airbag997 04-19-2019 11:43 PM


Originally Posted by sampelligrino (Post 15786316)
can you elaborate?




Thinner than other oils of the same grade.

Greater burn-off than other oils of the same grade.

Piston-slap observed/noted with long-term use.

Increased valve noise compared to oils of the same grade.

Greater thinning-out/inability to stay-in-grade during use.

Poor performance on the Timken test (tri-synth)

https://secure25.securewebsession.co...ball_large.gif


In my 997.2 with Mobil it use to burn about ~1 quart every 1,000 miles. Then I switched to Motul 8100 5W-40 xcess, didn't burn a drop, ran quieter, and felt smoother. 991 since day 1 Motul 5w-40, doesn't burn a drop, runs like velvet smooth brand new motor.

911-TOUR 04-19-2019 11:52 PM


Originally Posted by titan7 (Post 15785210)
Wow, it just amazes me, Honda and Toyota can build pretty much bullet proof motors but we have these crazy odd issues with just about every generation of 911. Okay before pounding, yeah I know these are high performance cars, and I am a 911 fanboy, but still, at this point you would figure they could get past these crazy things like PDK bombs, IMS/RMS, bore scoring. Now with that said, my 911 is going nowhere.

Don't believe the hype. PM me if you want a dose of reality w.r.t. Honda/Toyota. All makes have one-off issues, I think. Porsche is as good or better than most is my conclusion. I replaced my MDX with (egads!) a Cayenne which will likely blow a transfer case. I sleep okay at night :-)

cheers!

sampelligrino 04-20-2019 12:03 AM


Originally Posted by Airbag997 (Post 15786355)
Thinner than other oils of the same grade.

Greater burn-off than other oils of the same grade.

Piston-slap observed/noted with long-term use.

Increased valve noise compared to oils of the same grade.

Greater thinning-out/inability to stay-in-grade during use.

Poor performance on the Timken test (tri-synth)

https://secure25.securewebsession.co...ball_large.gif


In my 997.2 with Mobil it use to burn about ~1 quart every 1,000 miles. Then I switched to Motul 8100 5W-40 xcess, didn't burn a drop, ran quieter, and felt smoother. 991 since day 1 Motul 5w-40, doesn't burn a drop, runs like velvet smooth brand new motor.

hmmm I just had my oil changed with what I believe is mobil 0W-40 last week, but this has me interested to find an independent mechanic to swap in the Motul. Will research more on it, thx

Tampa991 04-20-2019 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by sampelligrino (Post 15786401)
hmmm I just had my oil changed with what I believe is mobil 0W-40 last week, but this has me interested to find an independent mechanic to swap in the Motul. Will research more on it, thx

Just change it yourself, it takes about 30 minutes.

sampelligrino 04-20-2019 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by Tampa991 (Post 15786873)
Just change it yourself, it takes about 30 minutes.

would love to. unfortunately rent in LA where my car is in an underground parking garage and I think I own a screwdriver and drill, that's it

Tampa991 04-20-2019 02:20 PM

There’s a video of a guy in an apartment building garage working on his 991..changes the oil, pulls off the bumper, changes air filters...tools are cheaper than dealer/Indy labor after you use them twice.

sampelligrino 04-20-2019 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by Tampa991 (Post 15787239)
There’s a video of a guy in an apartment building garage working on his 991..changes the oil, pulls off the bumper, changes air filters...tools are cheaper than dealer/Indy labor after you use them twice.

there's also a video of a guy stuffing a 4 foot sword down his mouth I don't know what your point is. there will be a time God willing where I can have a garage/space to enjoy taking the time to learn more about the engineering & components of the car, but for now I'll just utilize an indy or dealer

Tampa991 04-20-2019 02:47 PM

Lol you got me with that one lol

sampelligrino 04-20-2019 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by Tampa991 (Post 15787276)
Lol you got me with that one lol

lmao :cheers:

titan7 04-20-2019 03:26 PM

Isn’t start up where most wear can happen? Isn’t 0-40 better for that? I am running 0-40 mobile 1. Soooo, Motul is a better option? What weight should I run?


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