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Old 04-14-2019, 01:15 PM
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I did 2 test drives yesterday a 2016 white boxster gts car was fast ,loud etc, fun to drive, then I drove a yellow 2017 Carrera S Cab, but was a stick. (Have to get PDK for wife.)

This is what I thought. Boxster was fun, fast, but not as comfy as 911, more of a raw driving experience, exhaust was insane, but sort of small inside and much stiffer bumpy ride. More steering feel then 911

The 911 was 991.2, and that was way more refined, smooth like butter, but had plenty of power and was fast as well, More comfy, bigger inside, exhaust not as good as boxster, but still good.. 911 feels more like a GT car while the boxster is more like a true 2 seater sports car.

My question is this. I still have not driven a 991.1, which I know is the non-turbo engine. If I drove them back to back would I notice much of a difference between the 2 cars. suspension, engine, exhaust, steering over all comfort.

I am also looking for yellow or mexico or miami blue. I have a possible deal on a 2013 911 Cab S mexico blue.

Appreciate any input

My DD is a 2018 Panamera E Hybrid. My past cars 2017 Acura NSX,, 2016 BMW i8, 2012 R8 Spyder V10, 2010 Boxster-S. I realized now that for a weekend car I want a convertible. NSX was great but not a vert.




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Old 04-15-2019, 11:24 PM
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Drive the 991.1 and report back. You can also search this forum for many entertaining .1 vs .2 threads and see what others prefer then you drive one and you decide! Personally, I had a Boxster S (more recently than my ancient 930) and drove a couple 991.1 and 991.2 cars, as well as a 997, and wound up ordering my 991.2 Targa GTS with a manual - no regrets. Happy hunting and report back when you buy one.
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Old 04-15-2019, 11:47 PM
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My previous Porsche was a 2013 Boxster S (no sport chrono), and i now own a 2014 911 Carrera S with sport chrono. Your observations are spot on in my opinion even considering the 991.1. I wish I had room for both cars b/c I would have kept the Boxster.
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Old 04-16-2019, 09:44 AM
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Hah - I (currently) have a 981 Cayman GTS (it's for sale on the vehicle marketplace) and a 991.2 911 Carrera S, both manual transmissions, both with sport chrono, both with PASM sport suspension (20mm lower), both with steel brakes. The Carrera S has PDCC, the GTS doesn't.

You're spot on - the Cayman is a more raw experience. More go-kart like. The 911 is more refined, but immensely capable. Both are an absolute blast to drive. The exhaust note on the 991.2 is disappointing when compared to the Cayman, but then I think that the 981 GTS probably has the best sounding Porsche exhaust made in the last 10+ years, it's that good. On the track and autocross, the GTS is sublime. I just wanted more power. I have not yet taken my 911 to the track or autocross (only had it 1 1/2 weeks), so I can't comment on it yet. What little experience I have in the 991.1 - similar feel to the 991.2, better sounding exhaust because no turbos, 991.2 felt a little sharper in terms of response. I spent a fair amount of time in a 991.2 GTS on track at Barber Motorsports Park and, while it's not quite the same as the Carrera S because of the power, pretty much all of the other options were there. I can say that it's a hugely confidence-inspiring car with an almost unflappable chassis. The Cayman is more traction limited, and much more willing to rotate/slide the rear than the 911, and definitely feels like more of a go-kart on the track than the 911.
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Old 04-16-2019, 08:37 PM
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Have a test drive tomorrow on a 2013 991.1 cab s. Can anyone comment on the x73 suspension on the boxster gts?
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Old 04-16-2019, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Taxdr1965 View Post
Have a test drive tomorrow on a 2013 991.1 cab s. Can anyone comment on the x73 suspension on the boxster gts?
Yes. I have it on my Cayman GTS. It's amazingly good for autocross and track, somewhat stiff, but I have no problem with it on the road.
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Old 04-18-2019, 04:07 AM
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This is literally exactly where I was before I bought my 911.

I REALLY wanted a 981 (flat 6) Cayman or Boxster GTS. I wanted the raw, "toy car" loud feel, and nothing beats that insanely epic engine/exhaust note. The 991 is already inherently a lot more coddling "grand tourer" than the C/B, but the 991.2 makes that extra so with its super smooth torquey powerband, excellent balance and imo pretty quiet / timid exhaust note. Just not raw enough for me.

The 991.1 for me was the perfect middle ground between the two. More gruff and raucous than the 991.2, and more smooth/GT like than the 981, while not being as smooth and capable as the 991.2 or as visceral or go-kart-ish as the 981.... simply in between somewhere (an great thing to me. Just depends on how you're looking at it). I still sometimes wish I got the 981 GTS as I definitely want more communicative fun than I do luxury and serenity right now, but it was a bit too tight inside for my height to fit in, and my 991.1 C2 with x pipe and lowered gets close, while being comfortable when I'm feeling mellow as well. To me personally, the 991.1 is the ultimate middle ground between older 911s/Caymans and future 911s, if slightly still a bit too close to the latter.

Like the above, I still wish I could have a Cayman/Boxster to go alongside my 911. You'd think it would be redundant until you drive them both. Porsche are masters at making nuances otherworldly.
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Old 04-18-2019, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by enzotcat View Post
The Cayman is more traction limited, and much more willing to rotate/slide the rear than the 911
This ^... So it depends what you want.

Used to be Caymans/Boxsters turned in better, changed directions better, but had less traction and on track that annoyed me. The 991 now also turns in better vs 997/996 etc, it's a clear improvement , and it has gobs of traction. So now, 981/991, it's a lot closer than it ever was overall... Do you want more traction out of a turn (and slightly more room and refinement), or a more lively backend ? Only you know... I have kids now so a 2 seater is off the table but I miss having a boxster ;-)
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Old 04-18-2019, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by K-A View Post
This is literally exactly where I was before I bought my 911.

I REALLY wanted a 981 (flat 6) Cayman or Boxster GTS. I wanted the raw, "toy car" loud feel, and nothing beats that insanely epic engine/exhaust note. The 991 is already inherently a lot more coddling "grand tourer" than the C/B, but the 991.2 makes that extra so with its super smooth torquey powerband, excellent balance and imo pretty quiet / timid exhaust note. Just not raw enough for me.

The 991.1 for me was the perfect middle ground between the two. More gruff and raucous than the 991.2, and more smooth/GT like than the 981, while not being as smooth and capable as the 991.2 or as visceral or go-kart-ish as the 981.... simply in between somewhere (an great thing to me. Just depends on how you're looking at it). I still sometimes wish I got the 981 GTS as I definitely want more communicative fun than I do luxury and serenity right now, but it was a bit too tight inside for my height to fit in, and my 991.1 C2 with x pipe and lowered gets close, while being comfortable when I'm feeling mellow as well. To me personally, the 991.1 is the ultimate middle ground between older 911s/Caymans and future 911s, if slightly still a bit too close to the latter.

Like the above, I still wish I could have a Cayman/Boxster to go alongside my 911. You'd think it would be redundant until you drive them both. Porsche are masters at making nuances otherworldly.
I couldn't agree more. I had a 981 Cayman S (PASM, SC) prior to my current 991.1 C2 (PASM, SC, PSE). The Cayman was more visceral and raw. It was louder, stiffer, and absolutely felt more like an insanely quick go-kart. But, it lacked the extra space for the kids, and admittedly, a quiet mode for the times at the end of a long day when you just want to cruise comfortably down the highway. I extensively test drove the 991.2 both in S and base form. Even with the PSE option, it lacked the more raw qualities that I was used to with the Cayman. I loved the styling, refinement and the more usable low-end torque of the 991.2, but the 991.1 was a happy medium between the two extremes. Like others, I wish I could have both the 981 and the 991.1 in the garage. 991.1 as the daily and the 981 for weekend fun.
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Old 04-18-2019, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Taxdr1965 View Post
My question is this. I still have not driven a 991.1, which I know is the non-turbo engine. If I drove them back to back would I notice much of a difference between the 2 cars. suspension, engine, exhaust, steering over all comfort.
Are you asking to compare the 981 to the 991.1 or the 991.2 to the 991.1?

I have a 6MT 981 Boxster GTS with X73. Also have a PDK 991.2 Carrera.

Spent time in a 718 Boxster S before buying the the 981 GTS. Spent time in a 991.1 Carrera 4S before buying the 991.2 Carrera.
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Old 04-18-2019, 03:48 PM
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991.2 GTS with sport cats or cat bypass. You can experience performance, excellent exhaust notes, and comfort all in one fine package! I’m biased because I own one.
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Old 04-19-2019, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ahung View Post
I couldn't agree more. I had a 981 Cayman S (PASM, SC) prior to my current 991.1 C2 (PASM, SC, PSE). The Cayman was more visceral and raw. It was louder, stiffer, and absolutely felt more like an insanely quick go-kart. But, it lacked the extra space for the kids, and admittedly, a quiet mode for the times at the end of a long day when you just want to cruise comfortably down the highway. I extensively test drove the 991.2 both in S and base form. Even with the PSE option, it lacked the more raw qualities that I was used to with the Cayman. I loved the styling, refinement and the more usable low-end torque of the 991.2, but the 991.1 was a happy medium between the two extremes. Like others, I wish I could have both the 981 and the 991.1 in the garage. 991.1 as the daily and the 981 for weekend fun.
Agreed 10000%. The 991.2 really veered away from rawness, while the 981 has it in spades. The 991.1 is not an “extreme” car in any which measure, being that it meets right at the middle of those two pretty perfectly imo. Happy medium sums it up.
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Old 04-19-2019, 01:56 PM
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The .1 991 will have much slower depreciation than the .2 , something to consider. The .1 engine sounds fantastic , .2 does not sound bad but not even in the same league. .2 is much faster off the line. .2 has CarPlay which is a very nice amenity. I have a .2 but I think I would have been just as happy in a .1
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Old 04-19-2019, 02:22 PM
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The .1 991 will have much slower depreciation than the .2 , something to consider. The .1 engine sounds fantastic , .2 does not sound bad but not even in the same league. .2 is much faster off the line. .2 has CarPlay which is a very nice amenity. I have a .2 but I think I would have been just as happy in a .1
Two more items the .2 will have standard:

1. Backup camera with parking sensors
2. PASM
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more recently than my ancient 930.
Sorry - off topic but I loved the 930 - lusted after that thing when I was in high school. What year was yours?
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