Help me decide 911T spec
 

Hey Guys,

Starting a new project. I have a few options that the dealer is sending me.

What spec would you pick?

https://www.porsche.com/microsite/po...px?c=/PKP3FFG7

https://www.porsche.com/microsite/po...px?c=/PKE1Q6Z8

https://www.porsche.com/microsite/po...px?c=/PKXUCH74

Any thoughts would be appropriated

Best,
Steve

Option 2.

Easy. Option 3. It is the only one with RAS.

RAS that big of a deal?

That's the way I see it. Plus no sunroof (or PDK), which is blasphemy on a T. No offense to all those who opted for those ;)

In a world where the Boxster/Cayman did not exist my fun Porsche would be a manual 911 T with RAS.

I can't say based on my own experience whether RAS is worth it. My 911 does not have it. But given the differences between my Boxster and 911 I'd spec RAS were I to go the T route. In the reviews I've read and videos I've watched RAS has been given almost universal praise. If it can take the already superb 911 and make it feel a little smaller/more nimble all the better.

I should have put this in the original post. I have a Black GT4 in the garage with red contrasting stitching. Not that that should dictate anything here but just calling it out if it simply came down to GT Silver or Black.

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I'm in no rush but thats likely what I'll be looking for.
Its hard to believe the number of used T's that have sunroofs :(

These are all dealer stock vehicles

If not mistaken when spec'd with light weight buckets it removes the rear seats. In that configuration you're got a nice 2 seater with some interior volume.

My 991.2 has RAS and it does make a huge difference in the way the car tracks through sweeping corners. Gives it that superior mid engine feeling ;)

Just goes to show most T owners don't understand their own car, but perhaps additionally that Porsche compromised the car for the sake of sales. This is the first T in 50 years. They market it as a purist's 911. Well if you add PDK and a sunroof you break mold from the concept, which makes no sense. To me you make the car as light as possible as it's only 50 pounds lighter than the base car (although does have a mechanical diff). So you spec light weight buckets and PCCB (also for superior braking power) as a must in that regard, and RAS just because it makes the car corner. Then you have a far better option over a 718 Cayman GTS, other than fuel economy which is surprisingly terrible in the T. That you give up for increased acceleration due to the shorter final gear.

I personally think the RAS is a must. Changes the car that much.

They're all good spec, depending on what you want. Contrary to some of the rhetoric here, the beauty of the T is you can turn it into whatever kind of car you like. Porsche giving us that ability is not a bad thing at all. If dealers 'mis spec'd' the cars, in your opinion, then that is on them and they are paying the price with them taking up space, ripening on the lot, not allowing them to recoup some options dough. I don't think we should blame Porsche or other T owners for that. The price of freedom: damned if you do, damned if you don't. I'll take that over living on my knees...

For me, it's Option 3. Only one with RAS. It's that good. But that said, the other two are nice and stripped. Excellent drivers. Pure.

Good luck, Mano!

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Easy...
 

Agreed - get what you want. There's no Ethos or any other BS. After owning more than a dozen - my advice is don't compromise. Get the things you want on the car and enjoy. For me, RAS is a must, as was 7MT. I should have gotten PCCB - the car doesn't need PCCB but I love the look and feel. Wish I had followed my own advice.

option 3
 

Is the answer depending on color. I would not own one with a sunroof. I actually like the clock on the dash so I would have added that to. Heated stuff does not matter in florida and the stock stereo is fine. In 20 years option 3 may be desirable, the others not so much.

RAS, which I have, is something you feel at every bend in the road. It's just the latest dynamic aid in which Porsche has created to get the 911 to corner despite the rear weight bias. I discovered several years ago that the Cayman and Boxster are more fun in the curves than 911s. PDCC changed that a bit. Now RAS just brings you that much closer to the mid engine car feel, which is so balanced and nice when taking curves. RAS transforms the car enough to make it well worth the cost. Far more justifiable than many other options in the price range. What sucks is that Porsche makes you pay for it as an option. Porsche went as far as giving the T (included in the base price) PSE, mechanical rear diff, shortened gear shift, shorter final drive, and sport PASM all for optimum handling and performance. They should have included RAS. If so, every single owner who passed on it or asserts its negligible value would be praising it instead. It's THAT good. The fact that RAS can't be optioned for the base Carrera, it would have made the most sense for Porsche to make it standard in the T. Sometimes you just have to think for people. It would make buying a used T a little easier as the discerned shopper is going to sort the Porsche locator by 7mt and RAS (and PCCB if you're me).

I would respectfully disagree with this statement. I ordered my T and did not option RAS. I did that on purpose as I was looking for the least amount of assists on my 911. Even though I have not driven a car with RAS I'm sure it is helpful and noticeable. I just wanted the rear engine experience and feel. I have a Cayman R for track and mid engine and appreciate it for what it offers and I enjoy the 911 for it's different experience. Both are fun on the track for different reasons. Both are fun on the street for different reasons. If RAS was standard I dont know that I would not have ordered the T but it would have influenced my decision. For the record I also ordered LWBS, MT, no sunroof etc. I'm very happy with my car and how I ordered it. To each their own but I'm glad Porsche is not thinking for me in this case....

A worthy view. No non-GT 911, with or without RAS, has ever compared to my former Cayman R around corners in balance and feel. Certainly doesn't compare to my GT4 either or my 987 and 981 Spyders I had before that. But Porsche is trying and you can bet the thought process by them to not make it standard had only to do with making money and not whether to limit the car to that of a previous generation. If I'm buying a new Porsche (as I did in 2017 with my Targa 4S), and especially the more rare purposeful versions like your T, I don't look to limit it. I would have spec'd one just as you did, but with RAS as without it I would know I left a significant upgrade on the table. I owned 2 997 Carrera S models, both nicely equipped. Neither (.1 and .2) were great around corners. In fact they were terrible. I certainly wouldn't buy a 991 and want that same experience. Honestly buying a Carrera T right now is buying old with the 992 around the corner. But the T does offer something a little unique and I do like it when Porsche goes to special efforts as they usually make something worth holding on to. So I respectfully disagree also with your choice and reason to not want RAS, but your car, your choice. That you still have a Cayman R, I applaud you for that and I'm jealous.

I keep thinking Porsche should ask me my thoughts on things while cars are in development lol. I keep wanting to tell them to get rid of PASM and make every car handle like the X-73 Caymans and Boxsters. Every car would come with PSE and PCCB too!

Is it too early for T owners to be complaining about the car's fuel economy? I assume you're having too much fun to care at this point.

I do notice it a lot, in parking lots and fast turns too, no hint of understeer or oversteer yet. but I do notice it working.

every option that you can't add later easily is worth considering - my moto

I love a respectful debate!! Thank you! I love the R and dont plan on selling. As far as gas mileage, according to the computer I'm averaging over 22 MPG which beats the crap out of the 17 MPG I got with my 2016 M3... For the way I drive I'm happy with the gas mileage!

The way I feel about gas mileage is this (I am averaging 20.1mpg after 2,300+ miles with an average speed of 44 mph...):

If I'm out hammering, I don't care what mileage I'm getting.
If I'm cruising, I'm shocked at how well this performance car does.
I think anyone who thinks these cars get horrible mileage, either way, is in the wrong car...

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I'm going to break down some of the choices across the builds I think are good vs bad:

• 7-speed Manual Transmission. Yes.. this is not-negotiable
• Chrono Package with Porsche Track Precision App. Yes. For $320 this is a no-brainer
• Standard Interior in Black/GT Silver with Sport-Tex Seat Centers i.c.w. Carrera T Interior Package. Yes. The uniqueness of the interior package that is specific to the T will help the value in the future
• Fuel Cap with Aluminum Look Finish. No. It's plastic and you hardly ever see it.
• Rear Axle Steering. No. IMHO it's not worth $2K and the car is awesome without it.
• BOSE® Surround Sound System. Yes. The default system is a POS
• Seat Heating. Yes. Even when it's cold, I want the window down to hear the engine.. so heated seats will stop you freezing your butt off
• Smoking Package. No I know everyone adds this, but I like having the little (tiny) cubby. I put my key in it (I have entry & drive, but even so)
• Luggage Net in Passenger Footwell. No. You don't want to put crap in there. Don't temp yourself.
• Bi-Xenon™ Headlights with Porsche Dynamic Light System. Yes. Just because the inside of the headlight comes in black and it's only $780
• Tinted Taillights. Yes. Go black or go home

There are other options I would add, but this is still pretty much on-par with your other builds from a budget standpoint.

Here, I fixed it for you:

http://www.porsche-code.com/PKTKGC97

Wow. It's a wonderful thing that PAG allow us such individual expression in optioning cars.

Here's my take:

I'm going to break down some of the choices across the builds I think are good vs bad:

1. 7-speed Manual Transmission. Yes.. this is not-negotiable
2. Chrono Package with Porsche Track Precision App. Yes. For $320 this is a no-brainer NO - it's a ridiculous little dash-wart clock that in the T doesn't add performance.
3. Standard Interior in Black/GT Silver with Sport-Tex Seat Centers i.c.w. Carrera T Interior Package. Yes. The uniqueness of the interior package that is specific to the T will help the value in the future NO - it makes the interior look like a pair of Levis. Go straight black with 4WSS+ seats.
4. Fuel Cap with Aluminum Look Finish. No. It's plastic and you hardly ever see it. Yes. Nice little touch.
5. Rear Axle Steering. No. IMHO it's not worth $2K and the car is awesome without it. Yes. It's a great feature that you can't add after.
6. BOSE® Surround Sound System. Yes. The default system is a POS NO - why spend money on a crappy Bose system when you have a wonderful engine to listen to
7. Seat Heating. Yes. Even when it's cold, I want the window down to hear the engine.. so heated seats will stop you freezing your butt off Yes - super nice to have
8. Smoking Package. No I know everyone adds this, but I like having the little (tiny) cubby. I put my key in it (I have entry & drive, but even so) Yes - nice to have to access the cigarette lighter socket to charge your phone
9. Luggage Net in Passenger Footwell. No. You don't want to put crap in there. Don't temp yourself. Yes - nice little touch
10. Bi-Xenon™ Headlights with Porsche Dynamic Light System. Yes. Just because the inside of the headlight comes in black and it's only $780 Yes - good call
11. Tinted Taillights. Yes. Go black or go home Yes - but worth the $$ and possible darkens up the look of the ca too much.

There are other options I would add, but this is still pretty much on-par with your other builds from a budget standpoint.

I think many want a T with the Chrono Pkg as it adds the sport functions i.e. performance in most if not all other 911's . That is not the case with the T. It adds a redundant and distracting clock on the dash and an app nobody uses.

Yep, SC is a deal breaker on so many other older cars as you want the sport plus mode. When shopping for a GT4 was the first time I actually came to the realization it wasn't at all necessary. Ended up with it anyway. But after 9 Porsches with the clock, it's hard to not have it. At least it actually functions as a clock now, instead of just a timing watch never used.

My take is the only MUST have on a T is the 7-speed manual. Everything else, PCCB, LWB, RAS, sunroof, seats, stereo, color, interior is personal preference. I like to see the diverse, custom builds. I read in a review somewhere that a Porsche exec had as a personal car, a T with only sunroof and he loved it.

That's funny considering you barely see the sun for 6 months a year in Germany. The most important options in Germany are an umbrella and winter tires, the latter of which you can have your new car wearing upon delivery.

What I find most appealing about the T is the minimalist/purist approach. Although marketed that way, the option list shows profit matters most (typical I guess). I also like that Porsche added a lot of typical options as standard like PSE. I think the only 2 significant things they got wrong was not also giving you RAS like they did with so much else and they should also have put on the S brakes as standard, to 1) really differentiate it from a base Carrera, and 2) add braking power to match the added performance you get with the shorter final gear and mechanical diff. As they say, the first thing you do to make something faster is make it brake stronger. Those are easily solved by adding RAS and PCCB, which I wouldn't hesitate. Porsche definitely could have shaved a little more weight too such as how they approached the 987 Cayman R and Spyder with aluminum door skins and the lightest wheels ever offered on the 987. I know I'm too spoiled after owning every special Cayman and Boxster Porsche has ever created, and all those cars cost a lot less and the heaviest is 250 pounds lighter than the T. But in terms of a non-GT 911, it's really the most interesting to date. So much in fact I don't even mind that it isn't NA. Too bad it took Porsche 50 years to bring the T back. So I encourage buyers to order theirs with 7mt, LWBS, PCCB, RAS, T interior and no sunroof so if I ever want one second hand I can find what I like. Cheers!

I agree! Save money and add on options that keep it as a drivers car.

With SC dash wart, the funny thing is, is that I've had them I NEVER use it or look at it! So I ordered my T with out it. Nice clean lines. And put my $$ into PCCBs, nice seats, and RAS.

But you know what? It all comes down to driving the car and ultimately I've enjoyed driving every Porsche (sports cars) I ever owned. There's no bad Porsche sports car, is there? :)

I personally wouldn't want RAS, one more thing to fail.

Went with the third option -My 911 T!

Will share pics when it gets delivered

Very nice. You're going to love it

Looking forward to it!

Thank you all for your insights and comments. This should be an awesome complement to the GT4

that's your reason for passing on RAS? if so, then the entire 991 generation is not for you. :rolleyes:
no evidence of RAS failure or any problems btw and you have a 4-year warranty. amazing some of the stuff people come up with to try to justify their decisions.

that's a nice spec, enjoy!