Thinking of doing a bad thing...
03-20-2019, 03:15 AM
#31
While it doesn't make all the noses and perhaps lacks feel, it is brutally effective. Randy Pobst drove one around Streets of Willow in 1:21.49 on MPSC2 tires which matches a Cayman GT4 and is faster than a 2011 Ferrari 458 (1:22.30). Randy drove the Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio to 1:22.78. So yeah, the Model 3 topped the 505hp sport sedan. A Mustang GT with Performance Pack 1 ran a 1:23.97, so the Model 3 was about 2.5 seconds faster than a dedicated performance car.
03-20-2019, 02:28 PM
#32
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On the+ side, when you drive it, you don't have to look at it...
Also, your cervicals will save a lot of wear and tear because you will never turn around to gawk at your car after you park it...
I like electrics, I just turned in my electric beater lease so I'm not a hater.instant torque is cool, one pedal driving is fun. The T3 is kinda fun - It's also spectacularly FUGLY, like Daffy duck hit a low retaining wall up front, and the build quality is very average. Also no dash / giant Ipad in the middle is odd... My colleagues who have one are happy with it, but they aren't car people... I'd wait for the Taycan or the Audi GT (sexy). In a pinch a used model S.
Does this help ? ;-)
Also, your cervicals will save a lot of wear and tear because you will never turn around to gawk at your car after you park it...
I like electrics, I just turned in my electric beater lease so I'm not a hater.instant torque is cool, one pedal driving is fun. The T3 is kinda fun - It's also spectacularly FUGLY, like Daffy duck hit a low retaining wall up front, and the build quality is very average. Also no dash / giant Ipad in the middle is odd... My colleagues who have one are happy with it, but they aren't car people... I'd wait for the Taycan or the Audi GT (sexy). In a pinch a used model S.
Does this help ? ;-)
03-20-2019, 03:06 PM
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03-20-2019, 08:00 PM
#34
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No gears. No engine noise. No exhaust note.
No.
No.
03-20-2019, 09:23 PM
#35
While it doesn't make all the noses and perhaps lacks feel, it is brutally effective. Randy Pobst drove one around Streets of Willow in 1:21.49 on MPSC2 tires which matches a Cayman GT4 and is faster than a 2011 Ferrari 458 (1:22.30). Randy drove the Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio to 1:22.78. So yeah, the Model 3 topped the 505hp sport sedan. A Mustang GT with Performance Pack 1 ran a 1:23.97, so the Model 3 was about 2.5 seconds faster than a dedicated performance car.
03-20-2019, 10:47 PM
#36
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My wife's car is a S75D and compared to my C2S, it is certainly close in straight acceleration but nothing like the P-car in terms of handling. The Tesla S has really poor rear visibility and my wife is constantly worried that with each software update, a new bug will appear. I enjoyed driving the Tesla while I was still waiting for my car to arrive but once the new Porsche appeared, I've never even desired to drive the Tesla. The way I look at it is that the Tesla is helping to offset my desire to hold fast to my combustion wonder. Maybe once Porsche brings electric to the 911 platform, I'll finally be ready to switch … I would guess that that is likely many years away.
03-21-2019, 12:11 AM
#37
The Model 3 will do a handful of laps at 100% power before derating which is an improvement on the Model S. But the design of the Model 3 battery pack cooling system is only so-so; an improvement over the really mediocre system on the Model S. However, Bemo stated they have "terrible handling" and that is clearly not the case.
03-21-2019, 12:34 AM
#38
Burning Brakes
While it doesn't make all the noses and perhaps lacks feel, it is brutally effective. Randy Pobst drove one around Streets of Willow in 1:21.49 on MPSC2 tires which matches a Cayman GT4 and is faster than a 2011 Ferrari 458 (1:22.30). Randy drove the Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio to 1:22.78. So yeah, the Model 3 topped the 505hp sport sedan. A Mustang GT with Performance Pack 1 ran a 1:23.97, so the Model 3 was about 2.5 seconds faster than a dedicated performance car.
It is one great lap time. Auto industry still needs substantial effort to make e-cars match ICE cars in Championship racing- power degradation, temperature issues etc.
991 TTS lap time BTW is 1:19.45.
03-21-2019, 01:22 AM
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03-21-2019, 02:45 AM
#41
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[QUOTE=Papa Fittig;15717981
991 TTS lap time BTW is 1:19.45.[/QUOTE]
Thank you, when I get tired of listening to my 991.1s at redline I'll go electric. No, wait, I meant GT3 at 9k
991 TTS lap time BTW is 1:19.45.[/QUOTE]
Thank you, when I get tired of listening to my 991.1s at redline I'll go electric. No, wait, I meant GT3 at 9k
03-21-2019, 03:53 AM
#42
Well, technically speaking, the Model 3 does have gears as the motor goes through a final drive ratio of 9:1. And an electric motor is technically an engine. But you are correct in that there is no exhaust note.
03-21-2019, 12:36 PM
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here is my argument against the Tesla and I am not saying that they are bad cars (except for the fact that they have horrible fit and finish inside and out...and dont tell me about JD power blah blah blah because this is from what I personally saw in 2 of my co-workers model 3s, and I can post picts if ya wanna see how bad it is)
I am all about the B/C ratio and the actual usefulness of the car.
I have an EV myself that I drive everyday to and from work as a commuter. My commute is 75 miles a day RT so an EV make sense to me (esp with the HOV sticker we get here in CA) my Honda Clarity EV lease is $170 a mos with ZERO down 20k miles a year for a 3 year lease. That's after State and Edison rebate of $2950 total. which buys down the "due at signing" of $1490 and $199 per mos plus tax. This is a std Honda factory offer anyone can get (they might have changed it slightly for 2019...not sure)
Gas would have cost me at least $250-$300 a mos just on my commute (with either the 991s or the C7 A6 3.0T) not to mention miles and wear and tear....so $170 is a no brainer. Yes its only got a 89 miles range (rated....which you only get about 70 miles typically....at full freeway speed of 75-80mph) but for buzzing around town back and forth within the LA basin....I have no issues with it, EV chargers are everywhere and there is always the option of DC fast charge at Walmart locations if needed. Yes there are still some limitation which some places might not have EV chargers at all etc. but I would say it does 90% of my in town commute.
Now If i am traveling out of town, say to Vegas or up to Central Coast or to Mammoth for a ski trip.....or even up to Big bear lake, destination of over 200+ miles......Well the Tesla wont work neither because you would have to stop and charge. Sure you can get the 300 mile range that can get you their and find a place to charge etc. but that's a hassle because those are usually more rural areas and EV charger are not everywhere in those areas. Also not to mention it will be a lot harder to do a road trip from LA to Oregon with a Tesla (it CAN be done....but a hassle having to stop at least twice and sit for 30mins each stop)
So with that said, personally an EV for me is a "commuter" car that should make "dollar sense" because at this point that's all they are good for with the range limitation for long distance outside the urban area. It doesnt matter if the range of the EV is 89 miles or 300 miles if you are using it as a commuter....and once you go beyond 200 miles.....even the 300 mile range EV is a hassle..... Yes 200 miles is always gonna be better than 89 miles range....but the average daily commute is about 40 miles for people in the US so 89 miles is plenty (my commuter is above the average). Of course if money aint a thing for you, then sure buy the Tesla, and I would get the Model S and not the 3 (way better quality from what I have seen) as a commuter :-)
and if you are talking about "driving pleasure" .....well anyone who says the Tesla is a GREAT performance car have no idea WTH they are talking about........sure they can hit 0-60 in a few ticks.....but how well can a 4100lbs handle? sure low CG etc etc. but we all know one of the main ingredient to a good sports car is light weight....and the Tesla is a HOG!
I am all about the B/C ratio and the actual usefulness of the car.
I have an EV myself that I drive everyday to and from work as a commuter. My commute is 75 miles a day RT so an EV make sense to me (esp with the HOV sticker we get here in CA) my Honda Clarity EV lease is $170 a mos with ZERO down 20k miles a year for a 3 year lease. That's after State and Edison rebate of $2950 total. which buys down the "due at signing" of $1490 and $199 per mos plus tax. This is a std Honda factory offer anyone can get (they might have changed it slightly for 2019...not sure)
Gas would have cost me at least $250-$300 a mos just on my commute (with either the 991s or the C7 A6 3.0T) not to mention miles and wear and tear....so $170 is a no brainer. Yes its only got a 89 miles range (rated....which you only get about 70 miles typically....at full freeway speed of 75-80mph) but for buzzing around town back and forth within the LA basin....I have no issues with it, EV chargers are everywhere and there is always the option of DC fast charge at Walmart locations if needed. Yes there are still some limitation which some places might not have EV chargers at all etc. but I would say it does 90% of my in town commute.
Now If i am traveling out of town, say to Vegas or up to Central Coast or to Mammoth for a ski trip.....or even up to Big bear lake, destination of over 200+ miles......Well the Tesla wont work neither because you would have to stop and charge. Sure you can get the 300 mile range that can get you their and find a place to charge etc. but that's a hassle because those are usually more rural areas and EV charger are not everywhere in those areas. Also not to mention it will be a lot harder to do a road trip from LA to Oregon with a Tesla (it CAN be done....but a hassle having to stop at least twice and sit for 30mins each stop)
So with that said, personally an EV for me is a "commuter" car that should make "dollar sense" because at this point that's all they are good for with the range limitation for long distance outside the urban area. It doesnt matter if the range of the EV is 89 miles or 300 miles if you are using it as a commuter....and once you go beyond 200 miles.....even the 300 mile range EV is a hassle..... Yes 200 miles is always gonna be better than 89 miles range....but the average daily commute is about 40 miles for people in the US so 89 miles is plenty (my commuter is above the average). Of course if money aint a thing for you, then sure buy the Tesla, and I would get the Model S and not the 3 (way better quality from what I have seen) as a commuter :-)
and if you are talking about "driving pleasure" .....well anyone who says the Tesla is a GREAT performance car have no idea WTH they are talking about........sure they can hit 0-60 in a few ticks.....but how well can a 4100lbs handle? sure low CG etc etc. but we all know one of the main ingredient to a good sports car is light weight....and the Tesla is a HOG!
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