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Hi,

i know this has been already discussed and I apologize for bringing it up again.
I sold recently my 991.1 GT3 because it was not the ideal car for me.

This does not want to be a debate between 991.1 GT3, 991.1 vs 991.2 just to be clear.

I test drove several 991.1 and 991.2 and i decided to go with a 991.2 GTS.

I have a few questions for you guys:

if MSRP was similar, would you go with a 991.2 GTS or a 991.2 4GTS?
I test drove manual and pdk (i am a manual guy) but I have to say that for Los Angeles, I think PDK would suit me better.
Also, with 992 coming (i know 992 GTS is still more or less 2 years away), how much off msrp should i expect on the GTS?

How important is RAS?
I do not track cars often. If i do not get it, will I regret it?

My heart says to go with the manual 991.2 but the city I live in tells me otherwise.

Your input, as usual, is much appreciated.

Thanks.

Thor's

Stevelev

Hurricane

If the same price, sure 4GTS vs GTS. But MSRP on the 4GTS is about $7k higher, though - if you want AWD, by all means, get it. I was on the fence but ultimately decided to go RWD (lighter, less complexity) and roll that $ into other options.

I love RAS - it's a game changer. Tighter turning radius at lower speeds and more maneuverable at high speeds. It isn't a must have but I am really glad that I have it.

superdog

Bobby 911

agree -- if you don't spec RAS, there is a good chance you'll regret it. same with 7MT - if you enjoy a stick and third pedal, PDK can get boring real fast. I learned this the hard way on my one and only PDK 911 that i kept for only a short time and then lost a bunch of money on when i traded it for another manual.

PTS-BRG

PDK shifts faster and is much more convenient in traffic.
RAS is a must have. Nothing to break or bad about it. Pulling a U turn is a dream, Parallel Parking and at higher speeds it is also more nimble around turns.
GTS AWD is great for rain and snow and for acceleration it has no wheel spin off the line as all 4 wheels hook up.

I had a RWD only car and I would never buy one again, but thats just me. It was also black, which I will also never buy again

997c2sla

997c2sla

Hurricane

Sharp looking! Can you share the build sheet?

PorscheMeister42

RAS will really not be felt driving around town...high performance stuff on a track, it will be tighter than the non-RAS cars...maybe even marginally felt in canyon driving. Don't expect to feel it dramatically different with U-Turns...we've been doing those for years without that technology so I wouldn't front the money strictly for a novelty.

If you're in LA, don't know that you need AWD. If you're drag racing its of course nice to have some sort of front end grip advantage. Not enough of a need on that end to warrant the jump 6/7k more for that in my eyes.

Both of these cars in the $145k+ club as optioned, with the AWD being a few grand more like you said. Any discounts on these cars are just courtesy for clearing a lot for the 992. I would advise you do a lease. Porsche programs will allow you to get out of the lease 12 months early (no penalty for this) if you plan to get another Porsche through PFS. Do a 24+ month lease, drive the car as you need to/want to, and plan on taking a serious look at the 992 model of your choice once you're at the point of lease maturity, maybe even do an order.

3-5% off the MSRP should be fair for both parties on something like these.

happy and safe driving ahead!

ZuffenHouseRules

I remember RAS from the '90's Mitsu 3000GT (and needing repair in a Wheeler Dealers episode). On that basis I'd have regarded with skepticism.

Having more recently learned it migrated to the 991.2 from 991.1 GT3 and 911 Turbo/S carries more weight in my mind. Okay *all* GT3 gens are great on the track, but the 991 Turbo S really raised its game in this context, based on that EVO Leaderboard video. And the 991.2 C2S (with RAS presumably) has posted some pretty extraordinary track times -- actually ahead of those other RAS cars at Willow Springs in the most exceptional case.

Walter Rhorl is quoted as saying you can't detect it. Randy Pobst said it helped his laptime at Laguna Seca.

I don't have a back-to-back comparison for my 991.2 C2S with RAS...my last Carreras were 996 gen 14 years ago. But I did step out of a 718 Boxster S just before the new Carrera, and after spirited driving on twisty public roads I didn't sense any loss of mid-engine handling. Is that the result of RAS? Who can say for sure, but I'd add it to my must-have short list if doing over.....

Bobby 911

Bob Z.

GTS with AWD, RAS and a manual, period.

Ira Blumberg

I have a 2017 4 GTS. The day I picked it up and for a few days afterward I drove hundreds of miles through highly varied weather including torrential downpours. I have owned front, rear and AWD cars over the span of 25+ years. I was amazed at the stability, traction and general planted and sure-footed feeling and behavior of the GTS going through heavy rain and relatively deep standing water at highway speeds. It was the most secure feeling car I have ever driven. If you expect to drive on rain-slick roads, the 4 is by far the best choice. If you only plan to drive on dry roads, RWD is fine.

I am also very fond of the RAS. It makes u-turns and parallel parking much easier. I have not compared it at highway speeds to a similar car without RAS, but various test data certainly demonstrates an advantage in handling.

I have been seduced away from manual transmissions by the increased speed of the PDK. I don't really miss shifting. Of course I never really mastered heel and toe, so the PDK is a better fit for me if I do decide to go to the track. The PDK is also amazingly smooth and easy going in stop and go traffic, so I find it preferable. However, I fully understand that others may prefer to row their own.

Good luck with your decision.