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Old 03-15-2019, 11:45 AM
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Thanks guys. OCD freakout resolved. Lol.

My usual wax/wash method contains no petroleum anyway.
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Originally Posted by Porsche_nuts View Post
I thought the yellowing comes from the PPF glue, which ages over time. I also though that you treat PPF like you treat paint, so putting sealants, wax, etc was just fine. Been doing that for years on mine with no issues.
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Originally Posted by K-A View Post
So turns out the cleaner wax I used has petroleum, which is supposed to be a no no on PPF. I guess my wonderment/paranoia is whether using it this one time can cause premature degradation of the PPF. Or if it'll wear down some protective coating PPF has. So far it looks totally fine and normal.
Here is what the manufacture has on which wax not to use on their product.

Xpel PPF:

Paint Protection Film

Can The Film Be Waxed?

While you can wax the film, be sure the product you are using doesn’t contain Naphtha or Kerosene in concentrations over 5%, and also avoid waxes that contain dyes. For best results, we recommend using our XPEL Flawless Finish Paint Protection Film Sealant. This product has been specially formulated for use with polyurethane paint protection films to provide the maximum protection and gloss, while containing no ingredients that would cause discoloration over time.

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I use the XPel manufacturer brand cleaner and sealant. The cleaner works good. The sealant is AMAZING!! It gives my PPF a deep pearl look.

I have used the Chemical Guys Wrap Detailer in the past. I compared both MSDS sheets and they are similar.


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Originally Posted by K-A View Post
I know, I know, ANOTHER freaking PPF thread in the 991 forum.

I just had to put a little cleaner wax (synthetic) on a little portion of it due to some hard water spots that weren't easily coming out. Is there any aspect of element to PPF that can harm? I know cleaner wax is an abrasive that can "strip" clear coat, but at the end of the day I assume since PPF is plastic, as long as it doesn't eat through (which would never happen) it should be fine?
You should not use abrasives with paint protection film, as this will lead to degradation of the top urethane layer of the film, speeding up the aging of the film. Check out Gyeon PPF Renew, which is a chemical cleaner that was designed from the ground-up to clean and refine lightly-aged film.

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Yellowing of PPF and wraps comes from carnuba wax, which is yellow. Most all synthetic waxes and coatings are cut with petroleum distillates. Just avoid any with carnuba.
This is false- yellowing comes from the top urethane layer being damaged by UV rays from the sun. Modern films warranty against yellowing, but older films can be very susceptible to the problem.

Polishing film with typical polishes or compounds will speed up the sun damage, because they are removing the protective features of the film and exposing the deeper layers of the film to more UV rays.

You can definitely use a carnauba-based wax on film, but we would recommend using a non-petroleum based sealant that will last longer, on top of being easier to apply. Quartz/Ceramic/Glass coatings are superior protection for the film, because they offer a measurable layer of cured material that will serve to protect the film for the longest amount of time.
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Originally Posted by Esoteric_Detail View Post
You should not use abrasives with paint protection film, as this will lead to degradation of the top urethane layer of the film, speeding up the aging of the film. Check out Gyeon PPF Renew, which is a chemical cleaner that was designed from the ground-up to clean and refine lightly-aged film.



This is false- yellowing comes from the top urethane layer being damaged by UV rays from the sun. Modern films warranty against yellowing, but older films can be very susceptible to the problem.

Polishing film with typical polishes or compounds will speed up the sun damage, because they are removing the protective features of the film and exposing the deeper layers of the film to more UV rays.

You can definitely use a carnauba-based wax on film, but we would recommend using a non-petroleum based sealant that will last longer, on top of being easier to apply. Quartz/Ceramic/Glass coatings are superior protection for the film, because they offer a measurable layer of cured material that will serve to protect the film for the longest amount of time.
Thank you. In your opinion, would a one time use (but multi application) on a part of PPF using a petroleum cleaner wax have any tangible effect on the future durability? I’d hope the films could be able to withstand some random uses.
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Thank you. In your opinion, would a one time use (but multi application) on a part of PPF using a petroleum cleaner wax have any tangible effect on the future durability? I’d hope the films could be able to withstand some random uses.
We would not recommend any type of polish or "cleaner" wax. Anything labelled "cleaner" is going to have abrasives in it, just like a compound or polish. Stick to using Gyeon PPF Renew, which is a non-abrasive chemical cleaner for paint protection film, then look to use a standard wax, sealant, or quartz/ceramic coating.
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UV does age PPF, as well as paint and carbon fiber . But PPF acts as a UV barrier to protect the paint , as it does for road rash.
​​​​​Too much wax and detailer can build up and cause stealing. Washing with Dawn dishwashing detergent in warm water removes that.
Here is the product my Chicago concours winning buddies use on PPF:

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