Momentum Porsche Houston: Reputation?
 

Background: I'm looking for a 2nd Porsche to add to my 991.2 GTS Coupe, something to drive in the snow (AWD) and also a cab (for summer top down experience). This C4 cab caught my eye, and since I didn't see it listed in Car Gurus as CPO, I asked the young sounding sales rep I got connected to this pm if was CPO. I was surprised to hear it was CPO. Which I need, because I'd have it delivered sight unseen (yes, a risk, but with CPO minimized). Sure enough it is listed as CPO on their website. So I tell the guy to send me some pics and documentation of work done including repair to "minor damage to rear". Instead I get a text informing me it isn't CPO after all, it would cost extra to make it so. And yet it is listed as CPO!!!:


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So does anybody have any experience with this dealership? Could this really be an honest mistake, or is this an obvious bait and switch, run don't look back?

Thanks for any input RL'ers

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Thanks for the reply StormRune. So do you think they are in the process of making it CPO, and are listing it at a lower price until it becomes CPO? I would think it wouldn't be listed as CPO until the have done the inspection and found it will qualify. It has been listed for sale for 22 days per Cargurus (and dropped it's price by a couple of grand recently, which is why it caught my eye). Then again it could be an honest mistake and they will change the listing on their website...

Sorry, I really can't say, but if they were going to CPO would have done it during that time period so I'd have to imagine that is the non-CPO'ed price. You'd just have to ask what it would take to get it as a CPO.

The good news is they seem to think it is CPO'able based upon your first post, so it mustn't be in too bad of a shape. CPO does allow some damage and repaired damage, there are other threads here somewhere talking about that.

Hey BlueNorther, I just realized you asked about Momentum Porsche, not North Houston. I was referring to the wrong dealership and will strike my prior post talking about the dealership. I have no experience with this one. Sorry for the head-fake.

I have a very good relationship with them.

I can ask the GM and let you know.

Nice looking car and since it is manual Cab with AWD at a pretty good price it would be a good deal if they CPO'd for $62k.

Momentum is my local dealer. Hate them. Bought my macan there. But not my 911. Service department sucks. Bad service is not a complete reflection on sales, but is a good indicator.

However, with an independent PPI I would not be too concerned.

I figure the price reflects the "minor damage to rear" on the car fax.

Thanks for the feedback.

I was hoping that with a 2 year CPO, I'd avoid the hassle of arranging a PPI from a distance.

Wow man that is a huge dice roll, non-clear carfax and still not gonna take the time to look at a 62K purchase ? I would for sure do an independent PPI. My guess is this is not gonna go well. Can you pay someone else to go look at the car ?

I was figuring CPO from reputable dealer good for 2 years would be good enough to catch the major issues.

But in any case I just rechecked the dealer website, and they have moved the listing so it no longer appears under the CPO cars. So back to the search, hopefully something closer to home will turn up.

Thanks all!

This is sadly accurate. CPO is worthless without inspection as prior crashes and aftermarket crap won't negate certification.

I wouldn't go for that particular car ... ding on the CarFax will make it too difficult to sell. I have my own 2013 cab (platinum silver/Carrera red) for sale near Boston, it's clean no-stories CPO till March of next year, has half the mileage (15k) and is the same price. However, it's a PDK and not AWD.

I think there are a lot of cars out there without troubling histories and closer to home. I would never trust a dealer without seeing the car in person, particularly in certain states -- Texas and Florida in particular. Lots of cars closer to you where you can see and drive it first. You can usually tell right away if the car's had a hard life. Good luck with your search.

I have no personal experience with Momentum, but they don't seem to have the best reputation amongst the folks in the local PCA chapter.

If the repair was performed by an authorized Porsche repair facility then it becomes part of the CPO certification. If they certify it and later there is an issue with the previous repair/accident then Porsche NA will not pay and the dealer will have to cover the cost. Therefore, if the repair was minor and done correctly then they should not have a problem CPOed it.

Interesting. I've been to the dealership and have spoken to them on many occasions but have not purchased from them yet. They seem forthcoming if somewhat stingy (won't negotiate much) on the cars I've looked at. I never got the sense that they were being deceitful though with any of the cars I was interested in.

There are still things that could be present and not noticed or ignored when the car is certified. Mine had some damage from prior service that shorted out the brake light that comes on when the spoiler is up. Luckily my dealer (not who I bought it from) got it covered after some effort, but otherwise I'd be stuck trying to get the other dealer to repair it. That dealer was only an hour or so away, but for longer distances like in your case it could cause some issues.

Or, since you already have a 911, you could go for a very nice Boxster. Not AWD, but something different.

Ha, yes, I've been thinking I might do that!

I've owned an 06 Cayman S (my first Porsche) and loved it. It was even decent in the snow with performance snow tires and good tread. Not AWD great, but decent, and gave top notch feedback through the hydraulic steering on the road surface. I could get a 987.1 Boxster S for close to 20 grand and not be out of much if it self destructs. Could go through 3 for the price of a 991.1 C4. Plus I've still get a set of winter wheels and tires from my prior Caymans. Would love to have another NA flat 6 right behind my ear, and experience the convertible in summer with the Boxster.

Here's one for you: https://rennlist.com/forums/market/1128838