Should I sell my 991.2 GTS?
 

Hi guys,

I just had my one year anniversary on my 2017 991.2 GTS that I bought new in 2018. I only have a whopping 4.1k miles on the clock. Just wished I had the time and right circumstances to enjoy it more. I have a comfortable DD that I use for commuting and only drive the GTS to work when I know I won't be in LA bumper to bumper traffic. I'm thinking of selling the GTS and downgrading to something less expensive like a Mustang GT350. Any GT350 owners out there that can provide feedback. I know it's no GTS but it'll probably be loads of fun (I don't track) and will sound great. Anyway, would love to get input from anyone going from a 911 to a GT350, plus if anyone is interested in a carmine red GTS, PDK, 4.1k miles, fully loaded (original sticker was $151k) let me know.

How much are you asking for your car? Just curious. I would say sell it.. I have the same car with the same sticker as yours. The thought of selling also crossed my mind a few times this past week as I have no time to drive the car anymore.

That's a great question. In LA, dealer are asking in the $120-130's for similar cars with higher mileage. There are very few of them on the market right now. I guess I'd be happy with $120k just to move it. I'm sure a dealer would buy it for $100k on the spot.

If you don't track you might be disappointed by a GT350. I put 14k miles on mine over three years. It was a beast on the track, but I didn't enjoy much driving it on the street. Very loud, noisy, vibrationy and "ignorant" as you can expect a track-focused car to be, so highway road trips weren't particularly pleasurable unless you did it all in 6th gear at 2200 RPMs like a grandma. On country and mountain roads I found it a major disappointment. Waaay too much car for 60-70mph driving to be enjoyable. The chassis is super-dialed in, the magneride suspensions take away any hint of body roll or nose dive, the steering is scalpel-sharp. Which sounds good, if you're at Watkins Glen. On the road it felt like a videogame. The car didn't even lift a pinky finger. You could almost hear it yawning. If it could talk, it would say "WTF is this ****? I thought we were going to VIR".

If I were you I'd totally keep the GTS forever and put a million miles on it. It's one of the best iterations of one of the best 911 generations.

Why the GT350? Is it the V8 sound you are after? I played with a GT500 on I-95 the other night and it sounded great and was very fast; however, after being in a couple the quality is not on par with Porsche so it might be somewhat of a downgrade, and it is not as user-friendly on a day-to-day basis.

A slightly different perspective ... I'd keep the Porsche... I have a 2017 (UK) GTS, and I love it. it may not be loud but it drives like nothing else. Sometimes I wish it was a V8, sometimes I wish it was louder but the connection to the road is too good

I just tried and the 2017 GTS is not available for an instant cash offer.. CarMax will low ball.

I would personally visit a few Porsche dealers and see who bids the highest. Start at 125K.

Might as well chime in here. Been gone a long time. Had a 2019 Bullitt. Got rid of it after 550 miles. Typical Ford POS. Poor build quality, engine issues, dirt in paint etc. I will never buy another Ford product again. Of the 3 I have had in my life I have had trouble with every single one! On my 8th 911. Never had an issue with any of them. Keep your car!

Keep it, and consider using it as your DD! I have DD'd my 991.1 PDK GTS cab in LA traffic for over three years (and 32,000 miles). It puts a smile on my face every time I drive it. Makes the slow drive home way more tolerable. I have a feeling you will miss your GTS if you downgrade to a Ford...

Do you enjoy it a lot when you do get to drive it? If so why sell. I only drive my 2017 C2S occasionally but sure am glad I have it to drive when I want.

Is the car depreciating? If so, sell it.
Bank the money, you can't even use half of the GTS on streets

I've found that the GTS really wakes up in PSM sport and Sport + combo.

Try switching between normal mode and the mode mentioned above. There's a noticeable difference in agility and throttle response.

The GTS is such an awesome car. It has such Jekyll and Hyde personality. Makes for an awesome, comfortable DD but can be a beast with the push of a button or two. I have an incoming GT3T which is in beast mode all the time. The GTS, on the other hand, provides different driving experiences. Just depends on your mood. The GT3 is a hammer and everything is a nail. The GTS is more subtle than that. It is not nearly the all-out sports car that the GT3 is, but it is not meant to be. The GTS really is the perfect blend of sportiness and daily drivability in a 911. In other words: KEEP IT!

Interesting. Trading a GTS for GT350 thought would never cross my mind. If money isn't an issue keep the GTS. If it is, then sure go for what is a cheaper tool which scratches the itch for you.

There is a YOUTUBE Video about a guy who sold his 911 for a GT350, check link below:

He had a 14 year old 997 Series 1 :)

I'd be sticking with the GTS too - works every where :)

Again, if you are going the Mustang route go all the way: http://fordauthority.com/2019/02/202...-world-photos/

Posts like these are the ones that keep me coming to this forum. I love how people are honest and passionate about cars.

Thank you.

OP: Keep it for as long as you can. The Mustang will make your life miserable with quality issues, and take into account depreciation.

I did something similiar however I bought a gt3 instead because I plan to track at Sebring heavily. I wouldn't touch any mustang with a 10 ft pole, been there done that. just my .02

I also had a C7 Z06/Z07 that I jumped out of for the GTS. I'll just say that I don't miss the 200 extra rated HP as much as I thought I might because the physical driving experience as well as the interior is that much better. The Z07 was a brute force machine that unfortunately didn't hit the mark for cooling until the updates. We were promised an upgrade path, but none was officially delivered.

I didn't have a GT350, but I did buy a 2015 Mustang GT Performance Pack car when they first launched, in October 2014. After 13 months and 8,000 miles I couldn't wait to dump that car as fast as possible. So many quality issues that even the dealerships (3 of them) claimed were "normal" and wouldn't be fixed. Debris under the paint in the roof rails that will cause rust over time? Yep. Rattling doors? Yep. Peeling "machined look" applique on the dash? Yep. Headliner noises that sounded like something rolling around over your head? You betcha. My car was also one of about 3,000 that was built with a crooked body due to an incorrectly setup jig on the assembly line. The rear window was .25 inches higher on the passenger side than the driver side and this could not be fixed, according to Ford. They claimed it was no big deal and only cosmetic.

I get that the car was the first year, but the lack of dealer support to get paid to fix the squeak and rattle issues or 1990's Hyundai quality paint claiming that Ford wouldn't cover them was the last straw. They did fix the peeling cheap dash sticker that was marketed in a way that people ordering the cars thought they were really getting a "machined aluminum" dash when it was just a sticker. Here's the bar they set when I went in to check on the car after the 4th day of them having it for service and I drove my 2014 Corvette Z51: "Look, this is a Mustang. It's not going to have the quality of a Corvette." Until that point, I had never actually heard of anyone praising the quality of a Corvette's interior. :roflmao: I knew my Ford future was doomed at this point and remembered why I haven't had a Ford since 1992, and I buy a lot of cars/trucks.

If going Ford, I wish you luck. Also, make sure you buy using a discount like X-Plan, the Mustangs drop in value fast and you need to get as big of a discount off MSRP as you can to help offset it. My GT's retail price lost 35% off of MSRP in 13 months. If I had paid MSRP I would only have been more bitter.

I instructed a new driver at the track who had a supercharged GT350. Something like 800hp. I thought I was going to die, lol! Suspension was stock and it sure did handle the track well. Was kind of rough though. Don't think it would that much fun on the streets.

I have another friend that has a GT500 which he also decided to build the engine up to 1000hp? I was keeping it at my house while he was away in Alaska. He asked me to pick it up at the shop for him. It happened to be raining. I still have nightmares of driving that car.

I vote keep the Porsche.

He bought my car.

Unless you NEED to downgrade, I'd say wait for the rain to stop in California and then go drive your GTS. You might just be having a temporary condition called "Why-the-F-did-I-spend-so much-money-on-a-car"? You already did, for a good reason. Take that GTS to work even if it is in traffic - it'll still suck, but at least you're in your 911!

Before I bought my GT3 I thought I'd just check out all sorts of makes and models. The Mustang was one of them. After sitting in one for about 10 seconds I thought "No friggin' way - it just feels so cheap". Evidently, at this point in my life, I don't want to compromise. I have only put about 1000 miles on my GT3, not a lot, but there's no way a Mustang is going to make me smile like I have if I drove it a million miles - even if it had 2000 HP.

Agree 100% with KM1959.

Just over two years ago I sold a Gen-1 Boxster Spyder in the middle of winter to get into something "more practical". The next week, in a moment of seeing it's new owner driving around on a nice sunny winter day with the top down and a beautiful woman in the passenger seat, and no less waving at me (can you believe the gall in that?), I instantly regretted my decision. I bought a second one 9 months later.

My advice? Porsche are meant to be driven daily. Don't treat it like a weekend exotic but go and have some fun in it. A GTS is an AMAZING ride. Wait until the weather is great before you consider selling it again.

I'd say sell it and have someone else enjoy it.I totally understand that "itch" for something new and different. Only you know. Life is short so enjoy it while it lasts. I personally would never trade my GTS for a Ford product or any American muscle for that matter. My GTS is the best all around sports car that I've owned to date. With a proper stage II tune, there won't be a whole lot of super cars on the road that'll catch this beast. To each his own.

if you are one of those guys that don't hold on to any cars for long periods, i would just sell the GTS before it depreciates any further.

if you don't mind keeping and cherishing cars for a long time, which car you think will look better in 10 years? the GTS or the Ford? The GTS is going to be a classic. the Ford... I have doubts.

if the money isn't an issue, i would keep the GTS. its really one of the best all around DDable sports cars of the times and its not going to get old on you if you are a porsche fan.

I'm sorry but my gawd that thing is ugly.

typical BS in here.

Its a $50k vehicle, of course its not going to have the build quality or luxury of a $100k+ 911. if you care about interior plastics, you wouldn't be looking at a mustang in the first place.

On the other hand, if you want something that is an event to drive and you don't use often, the mustang is a good choice. Sounds great, awesome grunt, solid shifter, good handling and braking, etc.

A 911 is not really an event to drive (gt3, rs, xyz fancy model potentially excluded). They are very capable but for the most part, not super exciting. All the "i drive spirited on canyon roads" people can calm down. You are likely using about 50% of the vehicle's capabilities so I'm not sure how exciting it can be. At least with the mustang, you get the attitude, sound, and short bursts of power from that V8 while you are not coming close to the car's limits.

See if you can rent a gt350 on touro for a few days and see what you think. Ignore the deviated stitching snobs.

:corn:

Good thing my GTS is at the detailer getting paint-corrected, PPF'd, and so forth. Otherwise, having read your informative post, I would feel compelled to call the junk-yard to come tow my uneventful two-day-old POS 911 away before it bores me to death. At least I lucked into not opting to get deviated stitching, thereby avoiding the stigma that comes with quad-cammers pointing out my overt snobbery.

Exactly. I work from home, so for me, it's about resisting the impulse to drive all day instead of working.

I put about 200 miles on my new 991.2 GTS yesterday, on cold, dirty, salty New Jersey roads. Didn't even have PPF yet (dropped it off today for that). Can't flog it yet, 'cause break-in period. But still had plenty of fun on some country roads with hills and twisty turns.

Will probably put another 200 on Thursday when I get it back. Or more. Gotta get past this break-in period and open her up some.

I don't understand the whole "not an event" thing at all from the earlier post. For me, every time I drive anything, it's an event (just ask my terrified passengers :) ). In the fall, I rented a cargo van to take one of my kids and his crap up to school in Boston. I drove sedately up there, loaded down with all the furniture and crap. But on the way home, I had a blast.

A car can definitely contribute to the "event". But it's the driver creating the event; not the car. I have a Mazdaspeed 3, which is a total POS when compared to any Porsche. But it's a turbo-lagging, torque-steering, boost-mobile that's a ridiculously fun event to drive just going around the corner to the food store.

I am not so patiently waiting for my Targa GTS to arrive. I can relate with your feelings.

However, starting up a GT350 vs. a Porsche GTS is much more of an event. I went from a Z51, to a GT350, to an SL550, to an AMG GTS (yes, I have serious problems).

There is absolutely a difference in the way all these cars feel even just upon start-up. I actually want the Porsche because I want something more refined. I want it for the balance of supercar with luxury car. The GT350 is much more of an "event" IMHO. There is no balance. It is all beast. I do agree though that I am mostly ignorant of the Porsche at the moment, but I think you get my point.

Doesn't take anything away from how awesome the GTS is. It is just a different type of car.

Personally, I didn't know how cheap a Mustang looked and felt UNTIL I checked it out.

And, I like my deviated stitching, it reminds me that I bought something that has quality throughout - and not just in the engine and a couple of other go fast parts. I don't think that makes me a snob.

I think we're actually in agreement, for the most part. I just tend to avoid quantifying subjective things like "event" as used in this context. For me, there can be all kinds of different events with all kinds of different cars. But for sure, different people will experience different events with different intensity and enjoyment with different cars. I never judge people for their car choices (or much else). I'm much too lame myself to be judging others. :)

I'm not trying to compare it to a GT350, but I actually found the startup experience on my GTS to be more of an event than I was expecting. When I was doing test drives, the dealer started up the GTS inside the warehouse while I was outside. He brought it outside for me to hop in and drive. So I never heard the startup clearly. I started a Cayman GTS, and a 911 Carrera base. Those were more subtle than the GTS.

I kind of like the GTS. It's not totally obnoxious loud, but it's not subtle either, IMO. You might be pleasantly surprised. When I fired it up in my parking spot on our town's main street on Sunday around noon, it caused heads to turn up and down the street. I usually tend to like flying under the radar, so anything more would probably bug me a little.

A base mustang, from which the gt350 is derived is like $30k. What were you expecting.

How you feel the color of a piece of thread relates to quality, I'm not sure. But I'll agree that a full leather 911 interior is nice, but thats not all that important to everyone.

As to having a "blast" driving an empty cargo van...I guess I'm just not as cool as you.

Have you ever driven a MT 991.2 GTS hard before? Based on you stating "a 911 is not really an event to drive," I have to believe that you haven't. I mean I guess if you're driving the car like a grandma worried about keeping the car in museum-quality condition with a garage-queen mileage number then I guess it wouldn't be an "event to drive."

Several years ago you could rent a pickup from U-Haul that must have had a Corvette engine or something in it. It was ridiculously quick, lots of fun to toss and slide around. Good hoonage is where you find it. :thumbup:

Just be sure to pay them the extra $10/day for the loss/damage waiver...

I do not think 15 GTS are anywhere 125 maybe 100 - you can buy my 19 138 list with no miles for that.

991.2 gts, no. 991.2, yes.

I have a 993tt and just sold a 997tt after 4 years. im aware what 911s are about. the modern ones are very competent but thats pretty useless on public roads, hence i go to the track.

Anyone who says they explore the limits of a modern 911 on public roads is a liar or a moron.

And my 993 has 100k miles on it, so im not in your museum collector category.

To answer your original question, NO. Unless you need the money.

If you don't have time to enjoy the GTS (a car that can be daily driven) what is going to change and make it so that you can enjoy the Mustang? Or you selling your daily driver?

That was my thought as well. The GTS is a perfect daily driver. Fast, comfortable, luxurious. I even take all my 3 kids to school in it. A GT350 seems like it would be a lesser daily driver.

Why do you want a GT350 if you don't track it?

I had one for 6 months. I love it when I'm on the track and absolutely hate it when I'm not.
The car has no torque below 5500 rpm. It definitely does not feel like a 520 HP car under normal load. Jumping from GT350 to a GT3, the GT3 (991.2) is so torque'y that it almost feels like it has a turbo.
While it can't move fast under low rpm, it is still super loud. Kinda stupid when you are making so much noise but not going anywhere.
Steering is too sensitive and jumpy on bad road surface. Extremely tiring for road trip.
Though I don't really care, but the GT350 is a Mustang. Build quality is like a $20K car. Just cheap plastic, loose and squeaky interior penal everywhere. And it has the thinnest paint I have ever seen. 911 GTS to a GT350 is a big big step back if you do care about detail....
Don't forget to check the engine replacement thread on Mustang6g. Worth reading for all potential GT350 buyers.

Again, the car is a beast on the track. Youtubers praised it like it is the best car for the price. It is true only when you have the space to push it really hard.

I don't see any reason for you to replace your GTS with a GT350, at all.

I know I'm late but if you decide to sell I may know someone interested in it. Thanks

I totally agree with you. I have owned 3-Mustangs, 2016, and 2-2015s. All purchased new. The first 2015 was black and after about a week of owning the car, my wife noticed that the front right fender looked like a different color, over half of the fender was painted Tuxedo Black paint, that color was not offered on the 2015 Mustang. The next day I took it back to the dealer and the GM and Server Manager looked at it and the GM also had the Ford zone manager look at it as well. They all determined that the robot that painted my car had left over Tuxedo Black paint in it at the start of painting that fender. Ford took the car back and the GM located me a new white Mustang and the paint on that one at least matched so I kept it about a year. Then I decided that I wanted a V8. So I traded it in for a 2016 GT. I only had that car about a week as it also had quality control issues.

The point of my story is the OP should keep the 911 GTS it is a fantastic car! I have had my 991.2 base coupe for 3-years now and have no plans to get rid of it.

I'd sell the 991.2 GTS for a 991.1 GTS :D

hahahaha. Now you’re going to stir up something else.

OP, any update as to what you did?

The engine seized in my '16 GT350 commuting home gently on surface streets. My instrument cluster lit up, clanking grinding noises under the hood and coolant spitting out the exhaust pipes. It only had 3,500 miles on it and Ford just wanted to replace the engine. My dealer went to bat for me and after some contact with those who could make the decision they replaced my "16 with a '17. Sold that one after a few thousand miles. The quality is seriously lacking in all of the S550 Mustangs. A mexican made Jetta has better quality and I'm not joking.

OP, you seem like me in that you own Porsches as toys, not transportation. I would consider a CPO GT3. There's tons out there at reasonable prices, plus they hold their value much greater than any 991.2 ever will. I wouldn't even hesitate to find a cherry 997 GT3. Forget new. There's nothing very exciting out there that's going to fill you with raw fun. My garage queen these days is a GT4. I'd highly recommend that too but some won't like downsizing interior space. But if you're looking for quality and visceral sensation, skip anything (Porsche) that doesn't start with GT.

That's funny. After living in Germany for 5 years I say the same thing about people who track their cars (in the US). I lived 90 minutes form Nurburgring. You drive much faster getting there than you do on the track!

Cheers

Someone's got to do the heavy lifting! :D

I was thinking about my own use cases and preference with the response.

Obviously for NA die hards the choice is clear.
I don't track and only use the car for leisurely weekend drives hence I need drama and theatrics, not unlike Broadway, not absolute speed and performance.

Those that track, love turbo motors, and need to squeeze out every last bit of performance out of the car need not look back from a 991.2 GTS.

Another important, for me, consideration is long term maintenance costs. No matter what happens out of warranty, I have 2 less turbos to worry about and those aren't exactly inexpensive.

Happy motoring to all! :bigbye:

Lol, next time don't overpay for a marketing gimmick (Bullitt) and you won't hate it so bad. Mustangs are best purchased at the base level then modified to suit your needs. They will never have the finesse of a 911 but with some properly placed money and talent they can be quite fun.

if you think driving fast on the highway is pushing your car, then you don't really need to apply to this conversation.

think about a model 3 - it will make your commute a breeze ...

Agreed. Anyone notice that the new BMW 8 Series coupe looks very similar to this Mustang. Saw it on Grand Tour the other night and it looks just like a Mustang.

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If you think driving fast on track or on the road is pushing your car, then you don't really need to apply to this conversation.

Well stated!

I have a Targa GTS heading my way, too and I also have a customized 1000+ hp Mustang. The Mustang is Mike Tyson coming at you arms a-flailin' and looking for the knockout lol and is not for the feint of heart and requires constant attention when driving.

I bought a Porsche because of the refinement and balance it offers. I love all my cars - kind of like kids. They're all different and have different skills but are all great.

Somebody posts a thread about selling a Porsche GTS , on a Porsche forum, to get a Mustang GT350 and it's 8 pages and still going.
Who asks complete strangers these questions if they are serious ? Why would you not go to the Mustang Forum and see what they are saying about the car.?
I'm thinking of shaving my facial hair off, should I post a pic and ask for opinions.? 8 pages !
Sorry cranky today, need some play time, maybe a vodka.

I am with you, it reminds me of the threads that start with "which car should I buy?" I always think the same - go and drive whatever you are considering and read as many posts as you can in this forum, and others if applicable. I wonder if people post just to increase their # of posts. And the moderators can delete this post since IDGAF about how many posts I have.

^^^

Lmao.

A guy with a Porsche is debating selling it for another car, and posts his thoughts on a discussion forum dedicated to cars, most specifically the car he is debating selling.

And the question along with the ensuing discussion creates derision in some? Think of the irony here.