Psorcery

As far as "speicalness", sure the 991.1 is definitely going to hold onto that no doubt about it. It's still no slouch but it doesn't come near the level of performance you can net out of the .2.. Thus the better "bang" for your buck.

Yeah, future 911's will all be TT but at the cost of harsher government regulations and weight... The 992 weighs a serious 120 pounds extra in it's most basic form. Maybe... Maybe the 992.2 will take the crown if it goes a hybrid TT/Electric but who knows?

RONGLOS

You are on the bully pulpit. It takes strength to go against these obsessed posters.

dkhm3

I remember listening to the smoking tire podcast recently they had a p car specialist- (Betim?) and he was saying that with 3 parts he can make the 991.2 T base engine make 500 hp at the wheels, there's a lot of room in this engine for reliable gains.

JAhmed

This is subjective.

We don't know this yet.

I love the car (I own one and daily it), but calling it the best bang for the buck of all time is a bit of a stretch IMO.

Rohan V

BBI autosport is the specialist he was referring to.

Psorcery

To me, the performance of a 991.2 (especially with tune and exhaust) easily negates the sound of a 991.1. I owned a PDK C4S prior.. If I had
Which Carrera is a better bang for the buck performance wise? When these cars are worth 40-60k they will be an even better bang for the buck.

As far as reliability goes.. We haven't seen a single case of a blown motor or anything catastrophic caused by modifications or simple daily driving.. The 9A2 is based off the 9A1 NA engine which has proven to be quite reliable.

Rohan V

This is subjective.

Psorcery

Ok so what?

Is this the part of the thread where we go back and forth rebutting each others posts to the point where we're not even on topic anymore?

If you're looking for the best bang for your buck in terms of sound (not performance)... Sure, a 2012 base is the way to go.. However I'd say the GT3 is unbeatable on those terms and you'd be better off going 997.

fastforddriver

lol, hell yeah.

Rohan V

Your whole notion of "bang for your buck" does not really make sense. If you are looking at proportional performance $$ for value you could argue a GT2RS is the best "bang for your buck" performance wise since it can keep up with a Bugatti Chiron which starts at 3.2 million. GT2 RS is 300k which is over 10 times cheaper. Also your "bang for your buck" fallacy fails to look at resale value in which you will lose more on the newer .2 cars over time if you purchase today.

Penn4S

I love and have owned many of the Porsche platforms for different reasons. The 993 cars obviously hold the statusof being the last of the air cooled and resale prices are showing the value of those early truly driver oriented cars. The 996 TT and 997 TT cars were both very mod friendly and could reach high hp numbers and still be daily drivable and other than the IMS issues which didn't plague all cars the engines were fairly bullet proof.
The 991.1 cars may be the best overall Porsche NA car. Great performance, glorious sound , well balanced and drivable every day.
I don't have any experience with the 991.2 but it looks to have many of the great attributes of the .1 with the option of a modable Turbo platform so hp opportunities are extensive.
So hard to pick but for me the 991.1 may be the most special for drivers not only looking for high HP.

Porsche911GTS'16

After seeing the 992, I'd take either the 991.1 or the 991.2 Carrera. I am an NA guy, so it is only human nature for me to think my GTS cab is the absolute best car...for me. These debates are always fun to follow and to contribute to but ultimately, we are all winners because all 911 Carreras are fantastic cars.

Psorcery

I'm talking about Carreras buddy. Relax.

NJ991

WhipE350

I donno about bang for buck. I'm on Porsche #8 in eight years, also have many thousands of miles on others. I sometimes wonder what I'll think of my 991.2 S (RAS/PDCC) in say 10 years, I do know (no offense guys) that I didn't want a 991.1, I would have been happy to hang out with my 997.1 S, but then I drove my car to be. For me it was what I had been searching for. We all have different life driving experiences and have owned different cars in different climates so what is right for me might not be for someone else. Some of us like torque, some exhaust, and some would never give up hydraulic steering, I get it.

For me the RAS for highway driving is relaxing. I've heard arguments it isn't doing anything until you change lanes. Heck I donno, maybe this is the first one I've owned or driven that was aligned just right. Whatever it is I love it. Then there is Sport Plus, it is simply IMO a whole giant step up. It is so additive and takes full advantage of the turbos but yet doesn't seem like it is stuck in gear until red line all the time. Once ya go Sport Plus in a .2 you might never go back .

And yeah I wish I had softer 18 way seats and is it obvious sometimes the engine is sitting behind the rear wheels, sure! Does it push more then the mid engine, the way I drive yeah, but after driving 911s enough we all adjust to their special nuances and learn what it takes to keep them stuck to the road in turns.

Reliability will be interesting. I have my concerns about RAS. I also have the occasional tapping at startup and even switched to Motul and have had it once. I'm documenting it all with my Service Tech. I know the techs are discussing it across Porsche.

Mine wasn't cheap even with a huge $42k discount and free wrap. It certainly was a bang! I expect to really like the feel of the 992, but will it be enough, donno. Does seem like the 991.2 Base coming down to 991.1 S prices it is a great (bang) buy.