EPA settles suit against emissions defeat manafacturer
#1
Burning Brakes
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EPA settles suit against emissions defeat manafacturer
I wonder if they will pursue Cobb and other tuners next.
https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/epa...defeat-devices
https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/epa...defeat-devices
#2
On one hand, I wonder if they are specifically targeting changes made to the emissions systems in the vehicles - but on the other, it seems like any performance change is going to have some impact on what comes out the back of the car.
I also am not familiar enough with exactly how tuners achieve the performance gains (adjusting turbo pressure, shift points, etc) to know how integral the emissions systems are.. I remember growing up in the 70's/80's when it was a no-no to remove your catalytic converter from your exhaust - seems like this is the the digital age equivalent..
I also am not familiar enough with exactly how tuners achieve the performance gains (adjusting turbo pressure, shift points, etc) to know how integral the emissions systems are.. I remember growing up in the 70's/80's when it was a no-no to remove your catalytic converter from your exhaust - seems like this is the the digital age equivalent..
#3
Three Wheelin'
I’ve never seen any tuner product without the phase “for off road purposes” in their fine print. I’ve asked Cobb, Softronics, and Vivid when I was considering a tune if their products were CARB certified and all said no, adding the “for off road purposes”. This was in 2015 and I don’t know if that’s changed since I inquired.
#4
Burning Brakes
Derive sounds more brazen than the tuners commonly mentioned here.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/jalopnik...1829348318/amp
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/jalopnik...1829348318/amp
#5
Rennlist Member
Crap. Maybe I need to get one for my 2003 Ram before they all disappear!
Wonder if they'll specifically target the tunes coming out to help unmake the CD fix?
What a crock! This shows how utterly out of touch these people in the EPA are with reality. Pretty much everyone who buys these tuners knows how their vehicle functions, how the emission controls work and don't give a rat's *** about what the Clean Air Act entails. So the company is going to have to, quite literally, throw money away creating an education program absolutely NONE of their customers will watch, read or care about in the least.
Just the government taking their extra few pounds of flesh for retribution, rather than any effective policy with realistic and worthy objectives.
Wonder if they'll specifically target the tunes coming out to help unmake the CD fix?
Originally Posted by jalopnik
And most crucially, Derive must create a customer verification program to train customers about how their vehicle functions, how emission controls work, and what requirements the Clean Air Act entails.
Just the government taking their extra few pounds of flesh for retribution, rather than any effective policy with realistic and worthy objectives.
#6
Rennlist Member
I think it was their "lets roll coal" mode that turned up the heat on them a bit...
I'm all for performance mods, but creating a tune mode specifically to belch huge amounts of diesel smoke on command is way more obnoxious than open pipes a 2 am.
I'm all for performance mods, but creating a tune mode specifically to belch huge amounts of diesel smoke on command is way more obnoxious than open pipes a 2 am.
#7
Those diesels belching black smoke is bad news, but gases that are emitted from gas engines w/ controls removed may not be seen but they can't be good either.
If they decided to go after the rest of the tuners things could change quickly if they hammer a few of them. That's the choke point.
If they decided to go after the rest of the tuners things could change quickly if they hammer a few of them. That's the choke point.
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#8
Rennlist Member
Agreed. A tuned gasoline car - perhaps most of them even keep the factory catalytic converters - is just not in the same ballpark. I don’t expect the same scrutiny simply because nobody is doing gasoline tunes that in effect obnoxiously point one middle finger at the environment and the other at the cars driving around them!
#9
Burning Brakes
The tunes on modern turbocharged cars simply increase the boost to add power. That requires, of course, attendant changes in fuel delivery, spark timing, etc. But when driven at slow to moderate speeds, as cars are on the emissions test cycles, the calibration should be unchanged from stock, as are the exhaust emissions.
Of course when you go to 100 cpi cats, or remove them completely, that's no longer the case.
Of course when you go to 100 cpi cats, or remove them completely, that's no longer the case.