Should I part with $90K and my '16 GTS for a GT3T?
11-11-2018, 07:45 PM
#31
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11-12-2018, 09:59 AM
#33
After a weekend in the mountains I would say meh - makes no difference. The GT3 gets more street cred but It's not going to make a material difference in the technical parts of the mountains. We went with 2 Honda S2000's a Cayman and my 991. The STOCK S2000 was by far the fastest where it mattered. Of course he's had it over 10 years, 140K miles and did 7 seasons of auto crossing... The driver mod won. I pulled on him hard in straights and fast turns but in the technical sections, school was in session.
11-12-2018, 02:42 PM
#34
Sorry but as a previous S2000 owner there’s no comparison. A better driver will always trump an inferior one, but I’ve owned an S2000 as well as a 991 C4S and now a 991.2 GT3.
I’ve got a ton of time on track and regularly track day my ducati motorcycles.
The 991.2 GT3 is the only car I’ve driven that comes close to giving me the same sense of speed, control, finesse, and danger that I get on my bikes. And that’s saying something. The only car that feels satisfying in the canyons as my bikes do.
I debated it for a long time as I was attached to my 4S. Make the jump. You won’t regret it. Although I didn’t pay anywhere close to $20k over.
I’ve got a ton of time on track and regularly track day my ducati motorcycles.
The 991.2 GT3 is the only car I’ve driven that comes close to giving me the same sense of speed, control, finesse, and danger that I get on my bikes. And that’s saying something. The only car that feels satisfying in the canyons as my bikes do.
I debated it for a long time as I was attached to my 4S. Make the jump. You won’t regret it. Although I didn’t pay anywhere close to $20k over.
11-12-2018, 03:17 PM
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Good to see other previous S2000 owners here! Had an AP1 and an AP2. Really miss the shifter feel and the handling. Very fond memories of both cars!
11-12-2018, 05:25 PM
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I would not, but I'm pretty frugal and budget and garage limited. But i also want some lux options to go with my 911 performance. Since my use is mainly for street pleasure with fairly limited track time, i want sunroof, parking sensors and keyless entry. I live in Florida, so I'm not buying one without ventilated seats. And i want PDCC for performance but like the comfort setting for many streets and roads. Even with PDCC off for comfort on rough pavement, my 991.2 C2S/X51 still has virtually no lean in hard cornering, compared to my well optioned 991.1 S trade that lacked PDCC. That surprised me. It's much more comfy than any GT3.
The factory team 991.2 GTS with PDK, PDCC and RAS was faster on the 'Ring than the 991.1 GT3 and only 2 seconds slower than the GT3 RS, so you aren't buying a lot more speed, until well over 100 mph.
But if money were no object, and i could have more than one Porsche, i would want to own a GT3 with 6 speed manual, for occasional sunny day blasts.
The factory team 991.2 GTS with PDK, PDCC and RAS was faster on the 'Ring than the 991.1 GT3 and only 2 seconds slower than the GT3 RS, so you aren't buying a lot more speed, until well over 100 mph.
But if money were no object, and i could have more than one Porsche, i would want to own a GT3 with 6 speed manual, for occasional sunny day blasts.
Last edited by PCA1983; 11-15-2018 at 04:48 PM.
11-12-2018, 08:50 PM
#39
No, as a touring car the GTS is hard to beat. The secret is to drive a manual GT3 around town and then a GTS in PDK form - the answer is obvious 
Ignore the spin and marketing, also the 992 is round the corner. ADM - up to a few weeks ago you could still get an allocation even for a GT3RS (at least where I'm domiciled). There are a lot of 991 GT3s out there........
There is very little difference between these cars on track on the same tires - in fact the difference is the difference in skill level between the drivers. I find the GTS to be more comfortable more of the time, better covering long distances and just as quick round a track.
By the same token if the purchase is driven by a persons perception of desirability or the sense of car being somehow more pure then if they are the drivers they should be satiated.
Ignore the spin and marketing, also the 992 is round the corner. ADM - up to a few weeks ago you could still get an allocation even for a GT3RS (at least where I'm domiciled). There are a lot of 991 GT3s out there........By the same token if the purchase is driven by a persons perception of desirability or the sense of car being somehow more pure then if they are the drivers they should be satiated.
Last edited by groundhog; 11-12-2018 at 09:18 PM.
11-13-2018, 10:03 AM
#40
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Ask yourselves, what will I use it for?
How often will I drive it? Will i have more reservation with rain or dirty roads?
The GT3 sit 10mm lower than the GTS with sport suspension, it has stiffer springs and generally rides rougher. Does not sound a lot but makes it LESS fun to drive around on rough roads. If you live north NAPA or similar with easy access to smooth roads etc and you plan to drive it 2-3 times per week. I say go for it. Since the GT3 and your 16' GTS are both naturally aspirated, expect similar acceleration feel at low RPM but a lot more speed in the GT3 at higher rpm, but how often do you drive above 4-5000rpm?
If you will track it 2-4 times per year, go for it.
If you are working 7-5 and 5 days per week and at least 10 years to retirement and you wont drive it to work. I say, keep driving your GTS.
If you live in the inner city of a big town, keep your GTS.
Then ask, what else can i do with $90k, long vacation, driving schools etc etc
I know, the GT3 is less likely to depreciate than the GTS but still, it is $90k more out of pocket.
How often will I drive it? Will i have more reservation with rain or dirty roads?
The GT3 sit 10mm lower than the GTS with sport suspension, it has stiffer springs and generally rides rougher. Does not sound a lot but makes it LESS fun to drive around on rough roads. If you live north NAPA or similar with easy access to smooth roads etc and you plan to drive it 2-3 times per week. I say go for it. Since the GT3 and your 16' GTS are both naturally aspirated, expect similar acceleration feel at low RPM but a lot more speed in the GT3 at higher rpm, but how often do you drive above 4-5000rpm?
If you will track it 2-4 times per year, go for it.
If you are working 7-5 and 5 days per week and at least 10 years to retirement and you wont drive it to work. I say, keep driving your GTS.
If you live in the inner city of a big town, keep your GTS.
Then ask, what else can i do with $90k, long vacation, driving schools etc etc
I know, the GT3 is less likely to depreciate than the GTS but still, it is $90k more out of pocket.
11-13-2018, 10:31 AM
#41
The ride of my 991.2 GTS is plenty stiff on the terrible roads we have in NY state. At times even that ride is pretty jarring. I wouldn't want to take that up a notch. For me the GTS is hard core enough. And it's so fast and so fun to drive. And the Targa format is my absolute favorite. Enough said!
11-13-2018, 10:36 AM
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11-13-2018, 10:57 AM
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Ask yourselves, what will I use it for?
How often will I drive it? Will i have more reservation with rain or dirty roads?
The GT3 sit 10mm lower than the GTS with sport suspension, it has stiffer springs and generally rides rougher. Does not sound a lot but makes it LESS fun to drive around on rough roads. If you live north NAPA or similar with easy access to smooth roads etc and you plan to drive it 2-3 times per week. I say go for it. Since the GT3 and your 16' GTS are both naturally aspirated, expect similar acceleration feel at low RPM but a lot more speed in the GT3 at higher rpm, but how often do you drive above 4-5000rpm?
If you will track it 2-4 times per year, go for it.
If you are working 7-5 and 5 days per week and at least 10 years to retirement and you wont drive it to work. I say, keep driving your GTS.
If you live in the inner city of a big town, keep your GTS.
Then ask, what else can i do with $90k, long vacation, driving schools etc etc
I know, the GT3 is less likely to depreciate than the GTS but still, it is $90k more out of pocket.
How often will I drive it? Will i have more reservation with rain or dirty roads?
The GT3 sit 10mm lower than the GTS with sport suspension, it has stiffer springs and generally rides rougher. Does not sound a lot but makes it LESS fun to drive around on rough roads. If you live north NAPA or similar with easy access to smooth roads etc and you plan to drive it 2-3 times per week. I say go for it. Since the GT3 and your 16' GTS are both naturally aspirated, expect similar acceleration feel at low RPM but a lot more speed in the GT3 at higher rpm, but how often do you drive above 4-5000rpm?
If you will track it 2-4 times per year, go for it.
If you are working 7-5 and 5 days per week and at least 10 years to retirement and you wont drive it to work. I say, keep driving your GTS.
If you live in the inner city of a big town, keep your GTS.
Then ask, what else can i do with $90k, long vacation, driving schools etc etc
I know, the GT3 is less likely to depreciate than the GTS but still, it is $90k more out of pocket.
This is great advice, every time I think about going to a GT3 I ask myself the above. I currently have a 2019 Turbo S and for me it does everything well, including winter driving in PA.
Eric
11-13-2018, 05:52 PM
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