Carrera T vs Base Carrera C2
11-09-2018, 09:56 AM
#32
I have links below to the two specs I was/am debating between. As similar as the C2 and T theoretically are, I ended up with two pretty different cars.
The C2 spec (to me) has way more elegance and aesthetic appeal than the T. I will never tire of looking at this car in my garage and the smells and textures of the natural leather, along with the two tone look of the interior with deviated leather seats will really make a unique experience in the cabin. Plus, overall the C2 spec is significantly less money than my T build.
With the T, the drive is what it is all about, so I went all in with everything but the bucket seats (my back needs the 18 way seats). Other than that, the options are limited, not a lot that one can personalize too much. My main problem is that I really do not like the Grey accents. I found that my goal when specing the T was less directed toward finding a look I really loved and more on how to find a look that made the Grey accents look the least bad. At best I can feel neutral about them with a Black or Silver exterior. All the other colors seems to clash (just my opinion). I do think the Grey accents look ok with the Miami Blue, which complements very well with the yellow calipers and yellow T interior, but I really don't want colors that loud (been there, done that). So, my spec on the T is mainly to max out the driving options and keep the look (inside and out) more subdued and clinical (i.e. lets just focus on driving). With that said, I certainly didn't hold back on certain upgrades (leather interior, sunroof, Bose system, etc). So, i'm under no illusion that I'm making the ultimate drive focused car.
So similar, yet, so different....
C2: http://www.porsche-code.com/PK9599N2
T: http://www.porsche-code.com/PKL3HEM8
The C2 spec (to me) has way more elegance and aesthetic appeal than the T. I will never tire of looking at this car in my garage and the smells and textures of the natural leather, along with the two tone look of the interior with deviated leather seats will really make a unique experience in the cabin. Plus, overall the C2 spec is significantly less money than my T build.
With the T, the drive is what it is all about, so I went all in with everything but the bucket seats (my back needs the 18 way seats). Other than that, the options are limited, not a lot that one can personalize too much. My main problem is that I really do not like the Grey accents. I found that my goal when specing the T was less directed toward finding a look I really loved and more on how to find a look that made the Grey accents look the least bad. At best I can feel neutral about them with a Black or Silver exterior. All the other colors seems to clash (just my opinion). I do think the Grey accents look ok with the Miami Blue, which complements very well with the yellow calipers and yellow T interior, but I really don't want colors that loud (been there, done that). So, my spec on the T is mainly to max out the driving options and keep the look (inside and out) more subdued and clinical (i.e. lets just focus on driving). With that said, I certainly didn't hold back on certain upgrades (leather interior, sunroof, Bose system, etc). So, i'm under no illusion that I'm making the ultimate drive focused car.
So similar, yet, so different....
C2: http://www.porsche-code.com/PK9599N2
T: http://www.porsche-code.com/PKL3HEM8
11-28-2018, 09:28 PM
#33
Update...
Yesterday I placed a deposit and submitted a build on a 911 T. After driving the T once, I thought I still wanted a base C2 and the perfect interior and exterior that I wanted, but over time I was nagged by the memory of an intangible 'something' that I felt when driving the T. Even in stop in go traffic, it was fun. I ended up driving the T again and, obviously, changed my mind. I was able to spend about 30 minutes with it in various driving conditions (in traffic, highway, twisty backroads) and then did the same exact route in my 2017 C2 (PDK) back-to-back. It really is mind-boggling how the T feels like the same car and at the same time feels so much different. In the end, it wasn't even a choice, because the T is just so damn fun to drive. There is just an extra level of fun, sportiness, "it factor," whatever you want to call it. It seems way more than the sum of its differences to the base model.
Anyway, I love the 991 and I have be able to drive almost every variation of this generation (I have not driven any of the R/RS models) and I think the T can undoubtedly be considered to be one of the best all around cars and certainly one of the most fun of the 991s. After spending more time in the T, there was no way I was going to choose upgraded leather and a more preferred color/paint scheme that I can get in a C2/C2S/GTS over the difference in driving pleasure that comes with the T (especially when you can still spec a pretty sweet interior!). I loved my 2017 PDK C2 (sold yesterday as an early trade in, I hope you find a good home!) but I really missed driving a manual. I'm not interested in the 992 (at least not now), so my quest was to get the best 991 with a manual. Strangely enough my preferences came down to a GT3 vs base C2 vs T. A GT3 would be stretching me financially a little more than I am comfortable with right now and I wouldn't be able to custom build, but I do think, having driven the GT3, that a GT3 touring would be my ultimate 991. So, realistically (for me) it came down to C2 vs T in the quest for the best 991. I would be happy with either, but I just know I would be nagged by regret if I chose the C2 over the T, because, after all, the fun of the drive is what is paramount.
I have some time before my build is locked in. I plan to keep the car for good, so I don't want to leave any options on the table that I would later regret not adding. The last option I am debating on is the SportDesign Package. I am getting FAL, but I am still wondering if ground clearance may be an issue (especially because the whole front bottom lip is painted and will really show scratches). It would add another level of uniqueness to the car and I do think the look is an overall upgrade. But, I could say the same thing about adding leather to the fuse box cover. Any thoughts? I'd be open to other critiques/suggestions of the build. It all comes down to personal taste/use, but it is nice to hear what others think.
I am going to take delivery in LA and plan to break the car in over a two week road trip through the great state of CA! Pumped to join the T Club!!!
http://www.porsche-code.com/PK947GX1
Yesterday I placed a deposit and submitted a build on a 911 T. After driving the T once, I thought I still wanted a base C2 and the perfect interior and exterior that I wanted, but over time I was nagged by the memory of an intangible 'something' that I felt when driving the T. Even in stop in go traffic, it was fun. I ended up driving the T again and, obviously, changed my mind. I was able to spend about 30 minutes with it in various driving conditions (in traffic, highway, twisty backroads) and then did the same exact route in my 2017 C2 (PDK) back-to-back. It really is mind-boggling how the T feels like the same car and at the same time feels so much different. In the end, it wasn't even a choice, because the T is just so damn fun to drive. There is just an extra level of fun, sportiness, "it factor," whatever you want to call it. It seems way more than the sum of its differences to the base model.
Anyway, I love the 991 and I have be able to drive almost every variation of this generation (I have not driven any of the R/RS models) and I think the T can undoubtedly be considered to be one of the best all around cars and certainly one of the most fun of the 991s. After spending more time in the T, there was no way I was going to choose upgraded leather and a more preferred color/paint scheme that I can get in a C2/C2S/GTS over the difference in driving pleasure that comes with the T (especially when you can still spec a pretty sweet interior!). I loved my 2017 PDK C2 (sold yesterday as an early trade in, I hope you find a good home!) but I really missed driving a manual. I'm not interested in the 992 (at least not now), so my quest was to get the best 991 with a manual. Strangely enough my preferences came down to a GT3 vs base C2 vs T. A GT3 would be stretching me financially a little more than I am comfortable with right now and I wouldn't be able to custom build, but I do think, having driven the GT3, that a GT3 touring would be my ultimate 991. So, realistically (for me) it came down to C2 vs T in the quest for the best 991. I would be happy with either, but I just know I would be nagged by regret if I chose the C2 over the T, because, after all, the fun of the drive is what is paramount.
I have some time before my build is locked in. I plan to keep the car for good, so I don't want to leave any options on the table that I would later regret not adding. The last option I am debating on is the SportDesign Package. I am getting FAL, but I am still wondering if ground clearance may be an issue (especially because the whole front bottom lip is painted and will really show scratches). It would add another level of uniqueness to the car and I do think the look is an overall upgrade. But, I could say the same thing about adding leather to the fuse box cover. Any thoughts? I'd be open to other critiques/suggestions of the build. It all comes down to personal taste/use, but it is nice to hear what others think.
I am going to take delivery in LA and plan to break the car in over a two week road trip through the great state of CA! Pumped to join the T Club!!!
http://www.porsche-code.com/PK947GX1
11-28-2018, 10:05 PM
#34
Racer
Welcome to the T Club!
One standard feature I am loving on my T that was an expensive upgrade on the base Carrera are the SportTex seats.
They are great and look even better with the pinstriping with the Carrera T interior package.
One standard feature I am loving on my T that was an expensive upgrade on the base Carrera are the SportTex seats.
They are great and look even better with the pinstriping with the Carrera T interior package.
11-28-2018, 10:26 PM
#35
Race Car
Welcome to the bliss of T ownership. The shortened shifts, different gear ratios, sound and feel of the Sport-tex interior make this car special.
Smart choice...
Smart choice...
01-04-2019, 11:03 AM
#36
01-04-2019, 11:28 AM
#37
Rennlist Member
No, at least not to me.
Wanting to get to the bottom of exactly your question, a friend and I did a 30+ page road test with the T and C2 over 600~ miles for 000:
https://www.000magazine.com/shop/006
Wanting to get to the bottom of exactly your question, a friend and I did a 30+ page road test with the T and C2 over 600~ miles for 000:
https://www.000magazine.com/shop/006
01-04-2019, 11:49 AM
#38
Burning Brakes
02-06-2019, 09:55 PM
#39
02-06-2019, 10:35 PM
#40
Rennlist Member
Sorry, gents! We burned through a lot more than $75 in fuel alone to create that story. 
Then you add the cost of the photos, writing, research, etc and printing the story on 30 interior pages on paper thicker than most cover stock and…it ain't cheap. 000's model won't be for everyone, but I don't know a better way to get to the bottom of parsing two 911s like these (and a bit of GT3T), or how to publish the results in a better format. Hopefully, it creates a fun experience for the reader.
Soft-cover issues 0, 2, 3, 4 are sold out, but I think 006 levels are still ok...
Then you add the cost of the photos, writing, research, etc and printing the story on 30 interior pages on paper thicker than most cover stock and…it ain't cheap. 000's model won't be for everyone, but I don't know a better way to get to the bottom of parsing two 911s like these (and a bit of GT3T), or how to publish the results in a better format. Hopefully, it creates a fun experience for the reader.
Soft-cover issues 0, 2, 3, 4 are sold out, but I think 006 levels are still ok...
Last edited by stout; 02-06-2019 at 10:54 PM.
02-07-2019, 06:05 AM
#41
Racer
I have a .2 base C2 which is highly speced to my preferences of available options. Love my car and its 7-speed manual. I also had attended a couple Porsche event which gave me chances to try 911s with PTV, RAS.PDCC options. If I know the T model was going to release a year after my 17 .2 order, I’d probably wait for the T. The other thing I really want to have is the carbon bucket seat. However, I am very happy with my .2 base and have no intention to replace it.
02-07-2019, 09:54 AM
#42
Rennlist Member
Originally Posted by stout
Sorry, gents! We burned through a lot more than $75 in fuel alone to create that story.
Then you add the cost of the photos, writing, research, etc and printing the story on 30 interior pages on paper thicker than most cover stock and…it ain't cheap. 000's model won't be for everyone, but I don't know a better way to get to the bottom of parsing two 911s like these (and a bit of GT3T), or how to publish the results in a better format. Hopefully, it creates a fun experience for the reader.Soft-cover issues 0, 2, 3, 4 are sold out, but I think 006 levels are still ok...
Then you add the cost of the photos, writing, research, etc and printing the story on 30 interior pages on paper thicker than most cover stock and…it ain't cheap. 000's model won't be for everyone, but I don't know a better way to get to the bottom of parsing two 911s like these (and a bit of GT3T), or how to publish the results in a better format. Hopefully, it creates a fun experience for the reader.Soft-cover issues 0, 2, 3, 4 are sold out, but I think 006 levels are still ok...
Looking forward to it!
02-07-2019, 12:20 PM
#43
I'm very happy to own issues 000 through 008. I imagine issues 001 (not sold out? really?) and 006 (Carrera T issue!) will be gone soon. Each issue (or book) is loaded with tremendous writing and photography. There is really nothing else like it.
02-07-2019, 07:12 PM
#45
Rennlist Member
We only have some 001 because we had to do a second printing after guessing demand for that one incorrectly. So the first edition is sold out, and the second printing has an issue circle on the spine split into two blues if you look closely, as well as a "second printing + date" line on the inside front cover. I won't say we'll never do another second printing, but I wouldn't bet on it as the cost to fire up the presses for an issue isn't cheap (the cover alone is a very complicated deal).