Numbers...
11-02-2018, 01:19 AM
#16
Anyone know how much longer we can order a 2019 Carrera T?
Any guesses on end of production?
Any guesses on end of production?
11-02-2018, 01:30 AM
#17
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I apparently squeaked one in last Friday, there was definitely some doubt in my and my SA's part that it would happen. I'd call your local/trusty Porsche SA and see what you can do.
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11-02-2018, 03:13 AM
#19
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
Thanks for the feedback, fellas! I've pm'd a few of you, and again, this info is all out there... And constantly changing! Just overnight for example, 7 more Ts added to bring it up to 627 at this point. Love it!
Some interesting numbers for sure. Especially when you compare the lower ones to some equally low ones in other years when Porsche wasn't producing the number of cars they are today. Time will tell! For me, and some of you too, it is also interesting to see how Porsche markets and emphasizes things in order to get to, and increase, their bottom line. A business, in the end, and glad they are still making these great tools for our use. Personally I love the history and other aspects they manipulate in what they do. I consciously buy into the hype...
Have a great weekend, everyone.
S
Some interesting numbers for sure. Especially when you compare the lower ones to some equally low ones in other years when Porsche wasn't producing the number of cars they are today. Time will tell! For me, and some of you too, it is also interesting to see how Porsche markets and emphasizes things in order to get to, and increase, their bottom line. A business, in the end, and glad they are still making these great tools for our use. Personally I love the history and other aspects they manipulate in what they do. I consciously buy into the hype...
Have a great weekend, everyone.
S
11-02-2018, 09:15 AM
#21
Race Car
For example, when the 997.2 facelift came out it coincided with the economic crisis and Porsche did not make as many as intended, nor were sales great.
11-02-2018, 12:33 PM
#22
What is really mind blowing for me is looking at these lower production number models and applying an average scrapage rate of 2.5 percent to estimate number of survivors in 20 years when these cars are antiques. The results produce extremely low numbers for several models.
Disclaimer: the scrapage rate changes year to year. From 2009 to 2017 it has increased by 23%. To 5.3% because of the yearly fluctuations I personally use 2.5% this is not a exact number or result. Rather a general average/estimate over any given 20 year period that tends to provide a reasonable result.
Disclaimer: the scrapage rate changes year to year. From 2009 to 2017 it has increased by 23%. To 5.3% because of the yearly fluctuations I personally use 2.5% this is not a exact number or result. Rather a general average/estimate over any given 20 year period that tends to provide a reasonable result.
11-02-2018, 01:02 PM
#23
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What is really mind blowing for me is looking at these lower production number models and applying an average scrapage rate of 2.5 percent to estimate number of survivors in 20 years when these cars are antiques. The results produce extremely low numbers for several models.
Disclaimer: the scrapage rate changes year to year. From 2009 to 2017 it has increased by 23%. To 5.3% because of the yearly fluctuations I personally use 2.5% this is not a exact number or result. Rather a general average/estimate over any given 20 year period that tends to provide a reasonable result.
Disclaimer: the scrapage rate changes year to year. From 2009 to 2017 it has increased by 23%. To 5.3% because of the yearly fluctuations I personally use 2.5% this is not a exact number or result. Rather a general average/estimate over any given 20 year period that tends to provide a reasonable result.
It seems that older cars are being rescued more and more due to appreciation, the first few series of 911s, 912s, 944s, 968s, 928s and 914s
11-02-2018, 01:20 PM
#24
Good point. I also think some of it is do to the cash for clunkers push that happened in the 2009 -2010 time frame. Combined with the recession. I forgot to add this data was for USA only. I got my research from the insurance institute.
The current Delta between a regular Cayman vs a Cayman R is pretty significant. I am hedging my bets that if the rest of the models in the 600 unit production range continue to remain in low production thru the 992 variant. Then long term ownership of the models should turn out to be a nice thing for the owners of those models.
The current Delta between a regular Cayman vs a Cayman R is pretty significant. I am hedging my bets that if the rest of the models in the 600 unit production range continue to remain in low production thru the 992 variant. Then long term ownership of the models should turn out to be a nice thing for the owners of those models.
11-04-2018, 01:21 AM
#25
amazing numbers
My last 911 (A 1990 handmade targa) was with me for 15 years and the total production number was 158. Im sure one day i will regret selling the old oil spitting camel. I think its great there a boat load of S cars floating around as perhaps it will spurn a wave of talented indies who can allow us to forgo the contentious relationships dealers perpetuate. Hard to believe 24k total 991s floating around, I guess they are mostly sealed in airtight bubbles in climate controlled garages. It would really be interesting to see how rare vehicles are by option code. Perhaps big data or even PCNA one day will serve this to owners as they are deciding on options.
11-05-2018, 08:22 PM
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In respect to the numbers, "...Klaus Zellmer, President and CEO of PCNA, on Nov. 1 at Porsche Salt Lake City, one of the oldest Porsche dealerships in the U.S. “About 70 percent of all Porsche cars ever made are still on the road today,” said Zellmer. “The high-quality work of our technicians helps keep them going. We want to recognize our employees’ loyalty and expertise, which have such an important impact on the Porsche customer experience.”
11-05-2018, 09:23 PM
#27
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Your SA can tell you exactly how many allocations of a particular 911 variant are available, and he can probably trade for what he does not have, depending on the dealer of course.
In respect to the numbers, "...Klaus Zellmer, President and CEO of PCNA, on Nov. 1 at Porsche Salt Lake City, one of the oldest Porsche dealerships in the U.S. “About 70 percent of all Porsche cars ever made are still on the road today,” said Zellmer. “The high-quality work of our technicians helps keep them going. We want to recognize our employees’ loyalty and expertise, which have such an important impact on the Porsche customer experience.”
In respect to the numbers, "...Klaus Zellmer, President and CEO of PCNA, on Nov. 1 at Porsche Salt Lake City, one of the oldest Porsche dealerships in the U.S. “About 70 percent of all Porsche cars ever made are still on the road today,” said Zellmer. “The high-quality work of our technicians helps keep them going. We want to recognize our employees’ loyalty and expertise, which have such an important impact on the Porsche customer experience.”
11-05-2018, 10:03 PM
#28
Burning Brakes
As for the models on the road, there are more SUVs out there, but at least around where I daily drive my 911 I see couple of 911s (mostly 991s) pretty much everyday. So it does not feel like "they are mostly sealed in airtight bubbles in climate controlled garages"- like Bud's saying. And sure I see Caymans and Boxsters more often than 911s.
Back to numbers, it would be really interesting to see 991.1 vs 991.2 split.
11-05-2018, 10:16 PM
#29
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I see lots of 991s as daily drivers in Atlanta....
It is amazing though how many Macans are out there....
Mostly women drivers in Macans versus men that seem to have Cayennes....love to see the gender purchases data breakdown on the SUVs...
Mostly men with the sport cars except for Boxsters...
So I guess an all woman household in today's world would be a Boxster and Macan
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It is amazing though how many Macans are out there....
Mostly women drivers in Macans versus men that seem to have Cayennes....love to see the gender purchases data breakdown on the SUVs...
Mostly men with the sport cars except for Boxsters...
So I guess an all woman household in today's world would be a Boxster and Macan
)
11-06-2018, 10:08 AM
#30
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Percentage of Cabs built
Thank you SS for this information.
I am blown away with the number of Cabs built. Excluding the GT's, T, and other special addition models, with a total of 48,755 built, 19,804 were Cabs - 41%! I can't think of any other manufacturer that sells that many convertibles percentage wise.
Astonishingly, the GT3's production figures 4,542 are almost as much as the Turbo, Turbo Cab and Turbo S Cab combined at 5,172! Foolishly I've always thought the GT3's were more rare but instead just more expensive, coveted and sought after but not hard to find or buy.
I am blown away with the number of Cabs built. Excluding the GT's, T, and other special addition models, with a total of 48,755 built, 19,804 were Cabs - 41%! I can't think of any other manufacturer that sells that many convertibles percentage wise.
Astonishingly, the GT3's production figures 4,542 are almost as much as the Turbo, Turbo Cab and Turbo S Cab combined at 5,172! Foolishly I've always thought the GT3's were more rare but instead just more expensive, coveted and sought after but not hard to find or buy.