Carrera T vs Carrera S
10-22-2018, 06:38 PM
#108
Yeah your rite. Posting old data doesn’t help.
Fastest ever Nurburgring lap times - the definitive rundown
Fastest ever Nurburgring lap times - the definitive rundown
- LAMBORGHINI AVENTADOR SVJ. Lap time: 6:44:97.
- NIO EP9. Lap time: 6:45.90.
- PORSCHE 911 GT2 RS. Lap time: 6:47.30.
- RADICAL SR8LM. Lap time: 6:48.00.
- LAMBORGHINI HURACAN PERFORMANTE. Lap time: 6:52:01.
- RADICAL SR8. Lap time: 6:56.08.
- PORSCHE 918 SPYDER. Lap time: 6:57.00.
- LAMBORGHINI AVENTADOR SV. Lap time: 6:59.73.
10-22-2018, 06:49 PM
#110
Rennlist Member
Trying to think of the last car I bought for its 0-60 time. Or Ring time, for that matter. Flip side, I've driven a fair number of cars that do well in either, or both, and weren't much fun—and a lot of cars that post unimpressive times that were a riot or very well balanced or simply charismatic. I'm looking for the latter above all else. If big speed comes with, I accept it happily—but it isn't the driver for me.
10-22-2018, 09:52 PM
#111
Stout you are so rite.
I found this article that explains how lap times and 0 to 60, 30 to 130 times really are subjective.
A good example of this is the Ariel Atom 500, which despite having half the power of a Bugatti Veyron, and far less traction too, is faster both 0-60mph and 0-100mph, as it weighs next to nothing. The Caterham R500 is another example, only 263bhp, less than many standard hot hatches. But as it’s so light it’s 520bhp per tonne, and from a rolling start can sit alongside a Veyron in full acceleration – to around 130mph anyhow.
Things get far more interesting when it comes to tuned and lightened cars, as fully lightening a car can increase the bhp per tonne figure by over 100bhp. And on many cars, especially if the engine has already been tuned, that’s far easier than simply increasing engine power. This is what turns tuned hot hatches in to things that easily pull away from big money sports cars. And what turns relatively affordable sports cars in to true supercar destroyers.
As an example of how easy it can be, a Clio 172, a hot hatch that can be had for barely over £1,000 these days, may only be 153bhp per tonne as standard. But as they can be stripped to 850kg without spending big money, and 230bhp is easily achieved with a basic turbo conversion, that makes the car 270bhp per tonne, more than an Audi R8 V8 – which also has the disadvantage of much longer gearing and bigger transmission power losses due to the 4WD system. If the car was left at standard weight, the bhp per tonne would only be on par with an E46 BMW M3 – fast, but nowhere near as stupid. A supercar beater for shopping car money? Yes, it’s possible!
it really all comes down to want makes you happy.
I found this article that explains how lap times and 0 to 60, 30 to 130 times really are subjective.
A good example of this is the Ariel Atom 500, which despite having half the power of a Bugatti Veyron, and far less traction too, is faster both 0-60mph and 0-100mph, as it weighs next to nothing. The Caterham R500 is another example, only 263bhp, less than many standard hot hatches. But as it’s so light it’s 520bhp per tonne, and from a rolling start can sit alongside a Veyron in full acceleration – to around 130mph anyhow.
Things get far more interesting when it comes to tuned and lightened cars, as fully lightening a car can increase the bhp per tonne figure by over 100bhp. And on many cars, especially if the engine has already been tuned, that’s far easier than simply increasing engine power. This is what turns tuned hot hatches in to things that easily pull away from big money sports cars. And what turns relatively affordable sports cars in to true supercar destroyers.
As an example of how easy it can be, a Clio 172, a hot hatch that can be had for barely over £1,000 these days, may only be 153bhp per tonne as standard. But as they can be stripped to 850kg without spending big money, and 230bhp is easily achieved with a basic turbo conversion, that makes the car 270bhp per tonne, more than an Audi R8 V8 – which also has the disadvantage of much longer gearing and bigger transmission power losses due to the 4WD system. If the car was left at standard weight, the bhp per tonne would only be on par with an E46 BMW M3 – fast, but nowhere near as stupid. A supercar beater for shopping car money? Yes, it’s possible!
it really all comes down to want makes you happy.
10-22-2018, 10:09 PM
#112
This thread is truly, mind numbingly, breath takingingly funny😀
10-22-2018, 10:13 PM
#113
10-22-2018, 11:06 PM
#114
Rennlist Member
Here's a comparison of 0-60 mph times that includes the 991.2 Base, S, GTS and GT3, that is also impressive for the S.
10-23-2018, 12:08 AM
#115
Rennlist Member
I used to think the .1 vs .2 debates were head splitting. The T vs the world has become even more so.
What's to prove if you bought the car you really wanted. I bought what I really wanted and don't care if others don't like or wouldn't buy one. I'm sure that why Porsche makes a Baskin Robbins variety of models. Why is it necessary to debate endlessly why buying a more stripped down raw base car is better than any other choice. Just enjoy the car. Drive it like you stole it and don't worry if Sotheby's wants to auction it.
What's to prove if you bought the car you really wanted. I bought what I really wanted and don't care if others don't like or wouldn't buy one. I'm sure that why Porsche makes a Baskin Robbins variety of models. Why is it necessary to debate endlessly why buying a more stripped down raw base car is better than any other choice. Just enjoy the car. Drive it like you stole it and don't worry if Sotheby's wants to auction it.
10-23-2018, 03:48 AM
#116
I used to think the .1 vs .2 debates were head splitting. The T vs the world has become even more so.
What's to prove if you bought the car you really wanted. I bought what I really wanted and don't care if others don't like or wouldn't buy one. I'm sure that why Porsche makes a Baskin Robbins variety of models. Why is it necessary to debate endlessly why buying a more stripped down raw base car is better than any other choice. Just enjoy the car. Drive it like you stole it and don't worry if Sotheby's wants to auction it.
What's to prove if you bought the car you really wanted. I bought what I really wanted and don't care if others don't like or wouldn't buy one. I'm sure that why Porsche makes a Baskin Robbins variety of models. Why is it necessary to debate endlessly why buying a more stripped down raw base car is better than any other choice. Just enjoy the car. Drive it like you stole it and don't worry if Sotheby's wants to auction it.
. I keep looking and can't quite believe what I'm reading. At one stage I thought there was a small number of people who didn't know how Porsche operated e.g. how the range of options etc was governed by the price entry point - however, I soon realised I was in a parallel universe and stopped contributing to the mess and, instead watched on in awe. They are all great cars - some are more expensive, some are faster, some have PTS - some don't - whatever works
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10-23-2018, 08:37 AM
#117
I used to think the .1 vs .2 debates were head splitting. The T vs the world has become even more so.
What's to prove if you bought the car you really wanted. I bought what I really wanted and don't care if others don't like or wouldn't buy one. I'm sure that why Porsche makes a Baskin Robbins variety of models. Why is it necessary to debate endlessly why buying a more stripped down raw base car is better than any other choice. Just enjoy the car. Drive it like you stole it and don't worry if Sotheby's wants to auction it.
What's to prove if you bought the car you really wanted. I bought what I really wanted and don't care if others don't like or wouldn't buy one. I'm sure that why Porsche makes a Baskin Robbins variety of models. Why is it necessary to debate endlessly why buying a more stripped down raw base car is better than any other choice. Just enjoy the car. Drive it like you stole it and don't worry if Sotheby's wants to auction it.
On Rennlist, the T stands for Testosterone.
10-24-2018, 08:01 AM
#118
10-24-2018, 10:40 AM
#119
For me, PTS is the issue. It's a real shame it's not available for the T. I really like the T, but I just can't get excited about the standard palette colors. And adding a true Porsche Heritage color to the T, given it's "throw-back" feel, would look very smart.
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