'15-'16 Carrera S vs 2017 Carrera Base?
09-25-2018, 08:21 AM
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'15-'16 Carrera S vs 2017 Carrera Base?
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I am looking to purchase my first Porsche. I am thinking about a CPO 2015-2016 manual transmission Carrera S Coupe or a CPO 2017 Carrera base coupe with manual transmission. Is the 2015-2016 400 HP S naturally aspirated? I know the 2017 base is turbocharged. Is there anything to be concerned about in looking at these particular models?
Any opinions or suggestions?
I am in the mid-atlantic region and would prefer to keep my search in the eastern third of the country. Are there any dealers that can be recommended, OR NOT, for purchasing a CPO car?
Thanks for your help
I am looking to purchase my first Porsche. I am thinking about a CPO 2015-2016 manual transmission Carrera S Coupe or a CPO 2017 Carrera base coupe with manual transmission. Is the 2015-2016 400 HP S naturally aspirated? I know the 2017 base is turbocharged. Is there anything to be concerned about in looking at these particular models?
Any opinions or suggestions?
I am in the mid-atlantic region and would prefer to keep my search in the eastern third of the country. Are there any dealers that can be recommended, OR NOT, for purchasing a CPO car?
Thanks for your help
09-25-2018, 08:39 AM
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Yes, the Carrera S prior to 2017 is NA.
You really, really need to drive them back to back. They are quite different. The torque provided by the turbo engine is great. Makes it very versatile and gives you the opportunity to shift more should you want to do so for the sake of fun (because you have more torque available). Or shift less if you want to as well. The NA engine sounds glorious though, and has that great feeling of building power and torque.
I love the new new turbo engines for a daily driver in particular.
You really, really need to drive them back to back. They are quite different. The torque provided by the turbo engine is great. Makes it very versatile and gives you the opportunity to shift more should you want to do so for the sake of fun (because you have more torque available). Or shift less if you want to as well. The NA engine sounds glorious though, and has that great feeling of building power and torque.
I love the new new turbo engines for a daily driver in particular.
09-25-2018, 09:10 AM
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Yes, the Carrera S prior to 2017 is NA.
You really, really need to drive them back to back. They are quite different. The torque provided by the turbo engine is great. Makes it very versatile and gives you the opportunity to shift more should you want to do so for the sake of fun (because you have more torque available). Or shift less if you want to as well. The NA engine sounds glorious though, and has that great feeling of building power and torque.
I love the new new turbo engines for a daily driver in particular.
You really, really need to drive them back to back. They are quite different. The torque provided by the turbo engine is great. Makes it very versatile and gives you the opportunity to shift more should you want to do so for the sake of fun (because you have more torque available). Or shift less if you want to as well. The NA engine sounds glorious though, and has that great feeling of building power and torque.
I love the new new turbo engines for a daily driver in particular.
Power- The base '17 just feels faster. The 0-60 time is not that dramatically different, but there is a butt dyno component at low speed that you don't get in the NA car.
Price- It wasn't much more to buy a brand new base '17 than good, used '14-'16 CS.
Others have pointed out the steering and the PCM on the new version is better- I'd leave that to you to decide.
Sound: yep, the turbo is a quieter, more subtle engine. It does make nice sounds around 4500 rpm. I have the standard exhaust and can live with my decision. I like to listen to music when I drive, so the exhaust note would be lost on me.
If you find a good CPO'd '17, you are well ahead of the depreciation game. No bad decisions here, it just may be a matter of what comes your way. Good luck.
09-25-2018, 08:16 PM
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I traded 14 S for a base 17
Besides breaking resilience and LSD, no regrets. If you won't track the car, those things will matter less.
I do regret not getting a '17 S instead of a base. Next time...
Besides breaking resilience and LSD, no regrets. If you won't track the car, those things will matter less.
I do regret not getting a '17 S instead of a base. Next time...
09-25-2018, 08:46 PM
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Being new to Porsche I test drove a 15 c2s and 17 c2s back to back at the same dealership. The 17 had more torque, improved suspension travel, improved infotainment center, improved Bose system and had RAS. I bought the 17 as the hands down winner. Given your choice I would take the superior 17 Carrera. It will also have the same performance as the 991.1 S model. It’s a win win situation.
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Being new to Porsche I test drove a 15 c2s and 17 c2s back to back at the same dealership. The 17 had more torque, improved suspension travel, improved infotainment center, improved Bose system and had RAS. I bought the 17 as the hands down winner. Given your choice I would take the superior 17 Carrera. It will also have the same performance as the 991.1 S model. It’s a win win situation.
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People buy Horsepower, but they want Torque.
The 991.2's will give you the torque, because Porsche realizes most their customers are not track junkies and the turbos are more fun/feel better off the stoplight and in daily driving. If that's your driving, then the 2017.
However, the old school Porsche junkie knows that rev's and power over 4K rpm is where Porsche has always lived, and if you ARE a track junkie there's nothing like it and no turbo lag in an N/A engine so there's that choice too. Drive them both, they will feel different. No bad choices, depends on what you want to use it for and how.
The 991.2's will give you the torque, because Porsche realizes most their customers are not track junkies and the turbos are more fun/feel better off the stoplight and in daily driving. If that's your driving, then the 2017.
However, the old school Porsche junkie knows that rev's and power over 4K rpm is where Porsche has always lived, and if you ARE a track junkie there's nothing like it and no turbo lag in an N/A engine so there's that choice too. Drive them both, they will feel different. No bad choices, depends on what you want to use it for and how.
09-28-2018, 05:24 PM
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What do you regret about the Base compared to the S?
I've only driven a Base 991.2 and LOVED it. But I only drove it for an hour or so.
I've only driven a Base 991.2 and LOVED it. But I only drove it for an hour or so.
When I started tracking the car (first car I did that regularly) I realized that the improve the base brakes is not easy and lack of LSD was actually relevant in some tracks. The spring rate is more of a coupe difference, the cabs and targas are softer anyway. There's also the optional RWS, which I don't like or dislike for the track (PSDS cars had it).
My take is that the S is more adequate for tracking and it has a higher threshold when taking your abilities versus the car capabilities. It will probably take longer for one to reach the car limits on the S than base, but neither are proper track cars when compared to a GT3.
09-28-2018, 05:54 PM
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I was originally looking at 991.2 S/4S/GTS as I wanted the turbo's, but since TurboS don't come in Manual those became my picks. But I ended up finding a 2014 CPO 991.1S 7spd manual with most of the stuff I wanted in my 1st 991. I went with the 991.1 as it was low mileage 12K, CPO and also came with the following, besides being under 90K as a 2017/2018 S/4S/GTS would run me significantly in a higher threshold which I don't want to move up to at this moment of life.
- 18way vented/heated seats leather seats
- LED headlights
- PASM
- Sport/Sport Plus
- PSE Exhaust
- Sport Chrono
- PDCC
- Agate Grey Color
09-28-2018, 06:06 PM
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I love my car, no mistake there. When I tested the S and base back to back, I didn't find the 50 hp to be an issue considering the color and options I had to choose.
When I started tracking the car (first car I did that regularly) I realized that the improve the base brakes is not easy and lack of LSD was actually relevant in some tracks. The spring rate is more of a coupe difference, the cabs and targas are softer anyway. There's also the optional RWS, which I don't like or dislike for the track (PSDS cars had it).
My take is that the S is more adequate for tracking and it has a higher threshold when taking your abilities versus the car capabilities. It will probably take longer for one to reach the car limits on the S than base, but neither are proper track cars when compared to a GT3.
When I started tracking the car (first car I did that regularly) I realized that the improve the base brakes is not easy and lack of LSD was actually relevant in some tracks. The spring rate is more of a coupe difference, the cabs and targas are softer anyway. There's also the optional RWS, which I don't like or dislike for the track (PSDS cars had it).
My take is that the S is more adequate for tracking and it has a higher threshold when taking your abilities versus the car capabilities. It will probably take longer for one to reach the car limits on the S than base, but neither are proper track cars when compared to a GT3.
Thanks.
