When 370 is enough
08-06-2018, 12:19 PM
#76
Rennlist Member
I was at the dealership waiting for my car. I was sitting in the beautiful waiting room. There was an elderly woman sitting in the chair across from me. I assumed that she was there with somebody. The service guy pulled up 991.2 C2S In racing yellow. The woman gets up and gets into the car and drives off. I asked the service guy if that was her car. He said yes. Her and her husband have had 4 911s in the last 10 years. They each only one. I was amazed. It is something I aspire to.
08-06-2018, 12:30 PM
#78
Originally Posted by 911sccab
When most of us were younger, speed was precious. It was hard to come by, and with carbon-fouled spark plugs and compromised carburetors, still harder to keep. We learned to always take "more speed" whenever it was made available.
Today, speed is a cheap commodity. Many Accords will outsprint a '67 911S.
But somewhere we've decidedly lost much of the flavor.
You, sir, have taste and found some flavor in that 370hp.
I think this is why our 185hp 911SC is every bit as enjoyable as our 400hp C4S (well, aside from the lack of ventilated seats!)
Today, speed is a cheap commodity. Many Accords will outsprint a '67 911S.
But somewhere we've decidedly lost much of the flavor.
You, sir, have taste and found some flavor in that 370hp.
I think this is why our 185hp 911SC is every bit as enjoyable as our 400hp C4S (well, aside from the lack of ventilated seats!)
It took me 5 911s to find my personal sweet spot. The proof is, I don't want to get out of the car - I just want to keep driving.
08-06-2018, 12:35 PM
#79
Rennlist Member
08-06-2018, 01:01 PM
#80
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
Stout - agreed on all counts. I should have been clearer that, according to my personal preferences I would choose an NA motor. Some prefer turbos and the fact that we have choices is a wonderful thing.
Hell I'd get a turbo 911 in a heartbeat if the alternative was a hybrid or a full electric appliance, those days are fast approaching and there's no escape.
I stepped back in time and got the 2013 M3, for a new turbo M money, precisely due to the NA/HPAS combo. Soon I will no longer have that option and wanted to enjoy it while I could.
We'll always have a 911 in the garage, either NA or turbo but never a hybrid or electric.
All the best
Bemo
Hell I'd get a turbo 911 in a heartbeat if the alternative was a hybrid or a full electric appliance, those days are fast approaching and there's no escape.
I stepped back in time and got the 2013 M3, for a new turbo M money, precisely due to the NA/HPAS combo. Soon I will no longer have that option and wanted to enjoy it while I could.
We'll always have a 911 in the garage, either NA or turbo but never a hybrid or electric.
All the best
Bemo
Cheers,
pete
08-06-2018, 02:06 PM
#82
I got by with 282 HP for years. And 208 before that. I'd kill to have either one of those cars back. And I guarantee they'd put a smile on anyone's face.
08-06-2018, 02:41 PM
#83
RL Community Team
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Also that T video is just a pure driving video. His full T video launched today...a comparison between the T and the GT3 T. He had good things to say about the T other than it was too quiet.
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08-06-2018, 02:58 PM
#84
Rennlist Member
As soon as we try to unpack that feeling I had the other evening, and have now had many times over 10,000 miles, we start applying charts, considering torque (and rightly so), etc. In other words, we pursue the "why." It's in us. In me. In you. I skipped all that with my post and just wanted to share that feeling, that moment of clarity between two corners: "Do I want or need more than this?" And for me, the answer was, "No." The package felt fabulous
It's why I am staying put with my meager 991.1 400 hp - its about the balance in the handling, gearing, sports exhaust...etc.
I definitely would enjoy romps in a 991 GT3 but really you can't enjoy the magic in that care where I live except for track days. Been there paid to find that out with my 997.1GT3
Now once I move some day the "fit for purpose" equation may change...
I know it's a sign of advancing maturity, so no need to point that out
08-06-2018, 03:26 PM
#85
RL Community Team
Rennlist Member
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I can understand Pete’s point. Sometimes what you want out of the car is to be able to wring its neck a bit. Can’t do that too often even with a base Carrera or T. There is definitely appeal there.
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08-06-2018, 03:57 PM
#86
Rennlist Member
I agree 100% with Pete. I went down this long path and thought hard about this very topic many times and the reality is, the 9A2 engines are phenomenal in any trim. The Base 370HP engine is incredible as has been stated time and time again by many on this forum, press reviews, amateur reviews on YouTube, etc.
I can't tell you how happy and content I am with my T - the car is fast and very satisfying to drive. Anyone that tries to pull the "you couldn't afford X or you're just trying to justify your power level" card ... has no idea what they're talking about and has probably never even driven a Base to begin with. It's incredible how HP figures and Ego are tied together (for some).
I can't tell you how happy and content I am with my T - the car is fast and very satisfying to drive. Anyone that tries to pull the "you couldn't afford X or you're just trying to justify your power level" card ... has no idea what they're talking about and has probably never even driven a Base to begin with. It's incredible how HP figures and Ego are tied together (for some).
08-06-2018, 04:22 PM
#87
These threads are why I get exhausted with Rennlist sometimes. I think that these threads may come across as a need to rationalize or justify ones purchasing decision to many.
If anything has been apparent on this forum, NO ONE will ever agree that the car they purchased is anything less than perfect. 991.1 vs 991.2, Base vs. T vs. GTS; so debating regarding model specific attributes or advantages never results in anything other than an argument.
These topics always start with the best intentions and then end up with jabs, insults and borderline bickering. What were we even talking about in the first place again...? Oh right, we all love our cars!
If anything has been apparent on this forum, NO ONE will ever agree that the car they purchased is anything less than perfect. 991.1 vs 991.2, Base vs. T vs. GTS; so debating regarding model specific attributes or advantages never results in anything other than an argument.
These topics always start with the best intentions and then end up with jabs, insults and borderline bickering. What were we even talking about in the first place again...? Oh right, we all love our cars!
08-06-2018, 04:56 PM
#88
These threads are why I get exhausted with Rennlist sometimes. I think that these threads may come across as a need to rationalize or justify ones purchasing decision to many.
If anything has been apparent on this forum, NO ONE will ever agree that the car they purchased is anything less than perfect. 991.1 vs 991.2, Base vs. T vs. GTS; so debating regarding model specific attributes or advantages never results in anything other than an argument.
These topics always start with the best intentions and then end up with jabs, insults and borderline bickering. What were we even talking about in the first place again...? Oh right, we all love our cars!
If anything has been apparent on this forum, NO ONE will ever agree that the car they purchased is anything less than perfect. 991.1 vs 991.2, Base vs. T vs. GTS; so debating regarding model specific attributes or advantages never results in anything other than an argument.
These topics always start with the best intentions and then end up with jabs, insults and borderline bickering. What were we even talking about in the first place again...? Oh right, we all love our cars!
Its not just rennlist where people post to justify their way... its all forums. "I bought X model its the best" is the common trend in forums. No need to hide it because its in plain sight.
Its kind of like 14 vs 18 way seats. 18 ways fit you better, 14 ways fit me better, the fat guy can't get comfortable in either, and the poor guy took what came with the car and is happy with it. Does someone need to post which one is best?
My personal opinion is the Porsche that cost the most is the best one. I'd never go out and willingly buy a cheaper one then post on forums why I think its better. I know I bought what I bought because its what I can afford. MOST people will agree they'd rather have a GT3 than a base cayman (including the guy driving the cayman). Yes some willingly get the slower cheaper car because they truly want it, but that's rare...enthusiasts that have plenty of other cars or want a toy to play with. Its difficult for me to understand someone test driving an S or GTS and saying 'nonono too much power too much lag boring!' then running to a base car that fundamentally drives similar, yet slightly worse and has slightly less power. The S/GTS doesn't have THAT much power... you can ring it out plenty easy just like a base, but everything just happens faster with more G force.
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08-06-2018, 09:48 PM
#89
These threads are why I get exhausted with Rennlist sometimes. I think that these threads may come across as a need to rationalize or justify ones purchasing decision to many.
If anything has been apparent on this forum, NO ONE will ever agree that the car they purchased is anything less than perfect. 991.1 vs 991.2, Base vs. T vs. GTS; so debating regarding model specific attributes or advantages never results in anything other than an argument.
If anything has been apparent on this forum, NO ONE will ever agree that the car they purchased is anything less than perfect. 991.1 vs 991.2, Base vs. T vs. GTS; so debating regarding model specific attributes or advantages never results in anything other than an argument.
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08-06-2018, 09:52 PM
#90
Three Wheelin'
Matt’s vids provide an opportunity for me to see and hear the car. That’s all. His opinions vary, and he seems to contradict himself from one week to the next.
I don’t think he’s a good car reviewer and his advice on buying a new Aston Martin Vantage a couple years ago because it’s low risk of depreciation made me spit up some beer.
I don’t think he’s a good car reviewer and his advice on buying a new Aston Martin Vantage a couple years ago because it’s low risk of depreciation made me spit up some beer.