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visitador

I recall that there were more 991.1S models sold than the non-S. While you may find a price lower than $65K for a low mileage non-S, there are fewer of them for sale. So you may have to be more patient. Someone correct me if I am wrong

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Joec500

To my knowledge it's very minor, but I do know the 2012.5 and early 2013's do not have the auto rev match/blip feature if that's something you care about.

Bud Taylor

The price difference between the 2012.5 2013 and 2014 for similarly equipped vehicles currently is nothing. The best price point right now seems to be the 2014 as a properly equipped 2014S is selling for the same thing as a similarly equipped 2012.5S. PDK's cost much less than manuals but also I think will lose value faster. For your question regarding value, pick the right options and the value will remain. A base car will lose value more quickly than and S. An S with PDK will lose value more quickly that a MT. An S with a sunroof, cab, non sport chrono or PDCC will also lose value more quickly. Belly up for a GT car and you may make money if you can afford the cost of entry. Mileage also seems to be everything not only for purchase but also for resale. How much do you plan on driving and for how long will affect resale.

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Joec500

Yah, early builds in 2013 don't have auto rev match, you probably have a later build right when they added that feature. I personally love it, but many purists hate it. *shrug*

I have a similar car, PDCC, SC, PSE, SPASM and 7MT. I LOVE mine and will keep it until I can comfortable afford a GT3 or Turbo S. Here's mine, and below is the Function First Shifter which I LOVE.



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oalvarez

yes. the button with the shock absorber on it stiffens the damping characteristics of the shock units. the given mode that it's in is illuminated in one of the gauges of the dash cluster (i think the one on the far right). one can select either "normal" or "sport" mode (less stiff, more stiff).

i think that's right.

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Joec500

All C2S's come standard with PASM- That Shock Absorber Button. But S-PASM has lower springs and different rollbars I believe. It's lower and stiffer.

You can easily paint your stock ****, I did that on my stock ****. Just get nail polish of the color of your choice and dab it on the recessed numbers, than wipe away the excess. Only the paint in the numbers will stay. It's super easy and a super nice touch to the car. Makes it a lot easier if you take the **** out first.

the **** in my car is made by Function First (aftermarket piece)

kage65

I hope you like acronyms : o )

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saeyedoc

K-A

Thank you very much! Yeah I lost dibs on so many cars that I slept on, but the one I got was beyond my wildest dreams. That'll happen in the search for these cars. I never had to WORK so hard to get a car, but in retrospect, that aspect was a huge part of the charm and experience of buying my first 911. Something magical about it. Having to fly across country on no sleep, meeting the awesome owner, turning it into a mini vacation in a beautiful ocean side city, finding the right transport company, getting them to pick it up on time, having to entrust the previous owner to handle everything (which he did), etc. etc. It was honestly amazing and I had to pause when I was just sitting on this dock looking at yachts all around me (bought it in West Palm Beach) and take the whole moment in. Will never forget that, and it's tied into the aura of the car itself. As my wife said when I was FaceTiming her.... "This kind of stuff only happens to you." LOL.

Yeah, your "end to end" approach is smartest. People focus on purchase price but don't account for TOTAL COST, which is what matters. I think all 991.1's will perform well in that regard. Typically the higher price, the more % room to move down, which is likely not so much the case with 991.1's. Although a great deal on a base car that would cost let's say $10-15K less than an identically equipped and mileage S I think may slightly outperform the S depreciation curve, as on a bargain metric it's just overall better.

.1 GTS's are holding value exceptionally as well, at lease since .2's came out. Around $100K should get you a pretty good one, although most good ones are well above that. I think those will always hold their values (the epitome of the non-GT N/A 911, rendering it at the tip of modern classic 911's), but again, the "law of large numbers" comes into play. Yet, again, I don't think that'll apply to .1's so much. And then there's the GT3, which will probably never lose much value from what it's selling for today, and eventually appreciate sooner than the rest. But I imagine and expect their annual maintenance will be more costly than a Carrera.

Based on my observations, a good/desirable build is what determines the resale market on these cars the most. I was also set on an S, but my base was the only base I found that had PTV+, PASM, Sport Chrono, etc., so the MSRP was near some S MSRP's. And those options, along with the several mods the previous owner put on were more important to me than the extra 50 HP, so I was content, and it made my value metric all the much better. But if you can't find a base with all that stuff (i.e only standard suspensions, no performance options, etc.) then the S starts to become a compelling value proposition.

The next determination of resale on 991's, based on what I've observed, is mileage. That plays quite a role.

This is what I've found as well.

2012.5's are identical all the way up to 2016's, save for some PCM stuff and rev matching, which can make them a great value play, but considering they aren't selling for much if any less than 2014's, if one can find an equally desirable 2014, that's the way to go. On the flip side, I would without question choose a more desirable 2012.5 over a less desirable 2014 that costs the same.