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caritch 06-29-2018 11:53 AM

Rear Spoiler Deployment
 
Hi All
I am sure I am setting myself up for some fun comments - but have noticed my spoiler is not fully deploying. I drive a 991.2 C4 GTS. I noticed early on when the sunroof was tilted open the spoiler deployed more (instead of seeing a small portion in the rear view mirror - you could see almost the entire thing). This second stage is no longer happening with the sunroof tilted open. I noticed this after my 1st annual service about a month ago. I also noticed the other day that it did not fully retract when I came to a stop light - however it did retract as soon as I started to move when the light turned green.

There are no error messages. I am going to bring the car in. Has anyone had the same issue or have an idea of what it could be? Software? Would like to get some thoughts.

///M3THOD 06-29-2018 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by caritch (Post 15111014)
Hi All
I am sure I am setting myself up for some fun comments - but have noticed my spoiler is not fully deploying. I drive a 991.2 C4 GTS. I noticed early on when the sunroof was tilted open the spoiler deployed more (instead of seeing a small portion in the rear view mirror - you could see almost the entire thing). This second stage is no longer happening with the sunroof tilted open. I noticed this after my 1st annual service about a month ago. I also noticed the other day that it did not fully retract when I came to a stop light - however it did retract as soon as I started to move when the light turned green.

There are no error messages. I am going to bring the car in. Has anyone had the same issue or have an idea of what it could be? Software? Would like to get some thoughts.

Spoiler function is dictated by a number of criteria; speed, sunroof status, coolant temp, etc. There isn't one definite setting for any given scenario.

The fully extended position when your sunroof is open only actives at a certain speed. Its possible you were below that speed, or you had only engaged the vent function vs. the open function. Open sunroof at 70mph should yield the spoiler to be in its most extended position.

As far as the spoiler not retracting at a stop, the spoiler often stays open to provide additional cooling when the coolant temperature is high. It probably remained open to maximize cooling and once the target temp was reached it retracted.

caritch 06-29-2018 12:20 PM

Thanks. I will do some more testing!

WhipE350 06-29-2018 09:32 PM

Let us know what you find. I have a 2017 C2S and I see the spoiler all the time, but how you have me curious, I'm going to try it with different sun roof positions. I had my car in for service and took a 2017 C4S home for 5 days and the whole time I could never see the spoiler, I thought it very odd.

caritch 06-30-2018 07:06 AM

Will do. There may be a difference in deployment with pasm v spasm. My car has spasm.

Dr. Ice 06-30-2018 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by WhipE350 (Post 15112253)
Let us know what you find. I have a 2017 C2S and I see the spoiler all the time, but how you have me curious, I'm going to try it with different sun roof positions. I had my car in for service and took a 2017 C4S home for 5 days and the whole time I could never see the spoiler, I thought it very odd.

Did the c4s have a sunroof? I have read the sunroof being open creates a higher lift of the spoiler. I don’t have a sunroof on my 2017 c2s so have to really squirm in seat to see if it’s deployed.

The Boz Abides 06-30-2018 12:29 PM

Mine deploys (told by others who’ve driven around me) but I can never see it from my mirrors. I’m 6’2” and keep my seat low to the floor so perhaps that has something to do with my rear sight lines. Don’t know. Based on my natural curiosities I would love to see it responding to the different conditions mentioned previously.

hbear 06-30-2018 05:10 PM

I have a GTS and I can see it deploy (just barely above the sat/gps bump when sunroof is closed...have to crane my neck up a bit to see it) When sunroof is open (vent) it lifts much higher and takes up half my rear vision once I hit about 130km/h, I think it does this earlier when sunroof is completely opened. (Haven’t paid too much attention to be honest).

Have no idea what that high position looks like on the outside however.

drive95 07-01-2018 09:19 PM

Thought I would contribute since I have recently thought of posting something about this.

I've seen comments which say that only cars with S-PASM have spoilers which automatically raise to the higher level. I have a 2014 C2 with non-S PASM and mine raises to the higher level. It doesn't seem consistent, though, as the OP mentioned. I haven't been around my car for a while and need more time to pin down what the criterion are more precisely but this shot was with the sunroof open and Sport Plus selected. The spoiler is clearly visible versus not at all in the mid-rise position.https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...ae4f75c97e.jpg

hbear 07-02-2018 12:15 AM

That is way low compared to my (high) deployment. Mine looks like it flips upwards into a big duck, but can’t confirm if it just goes significantly higher or changes angle.

Seeing how how it happens at over 130km/h and my phone is in the console due to CarPlay, hadn’t had a chance to snap a photo...nor see the reflection in buildings given it’s only when on the highways when I’m at that speed.

Wish I could see an exterior pic of it as I have no idea what it looks like....but I know it’s way higher that that picture as it blocks out what seems like half my rear view.

Photo looks like what my normal deployment looks like. C4 GTS

Hurricane 07-02-2018 09:06 AM

I could never see the spoiler deployed on my 991.1S, even at high speeds above 75 (when I knew it was deployed). On my 991.2GTS, it goes up and down all the time and I can actually see it in the rear view mirror.

I went on a drive and dine a few months ago and the guy behind me on the drive asked if I kept raising and lowering my spoiler manually. I said no, it was all automatic. On the 991.2 it sure likes to move! :D

caritch 07-02-2018 09:32 AM

Same for me as @hbear. Picture is my normal deployment which I still see (thanks for that pic!). I'm still in a quest to get it to fully extent like it used too. Could not get out for testing this weekend. Hopefully some good heat, high speed and road time on July 4th...

///M3THOD 07-02-2018 02:34 PM

As far as I am aware the spoiler only needs to extend to its highest position when the aerodynamics change of the car from the opening of the sunroof. The sunroof changes the airflow over the car and I am assuming increases the low pressure area behind the car which could make it unstable if the spoiler wasn't fully extended into its highest position. The highest position is probably not good for efficiency since its creating so much drag, so it doesn't make sense (as far as function) for it to be in that position at any other time. It would be kind of cool for track days, but I am assuming if it really assisted with traction at low speeds, the Sport (+) setting should include a fully extended spoiler position.

Since you cannot control its deployment in any capacity, I'm not sure why this is of such interest to everyone. Driving around I've seen them in multiple positions. I don't even know if there's only 3 position, there could be more. Its been very hot here and my spoiler has been deploying at 20mph regularly to help with cooling.

My only testing suggestion would be to perhaps run the car in Sport + and see if the spoiler extends further on hwy speeds.

caritch 07-04-2018 05:17 PM

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And it works. Deploys to second stage (sunroof tilted) at 78mph. Picture attached.

SoCal C2S 07-04-2018 06:06 PM

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...d025cc47d.jpeg
Mines always fully deployed at all speeds!


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