Drove a 991.2 - wow!
06-22-2018, 10:49 AM
#121
Three Wheelin'
Exactly how I feel too. Can't believe some of the comments/hate around here. We are all really lucky to be driving these things. I'm going to drive mine up to the lake (2 hrs) this afternoon and I'm going to LOVE every second of it......and I'm not going to follow this thread anymore...........
06-22-2018, 10:54 AM
#122
If you think the F8X is a hammer, the E92 M3 is a.. I don't know.. Brick? It's heavy and underpowered. I had two of them. They need more torque and significantly less weight. They are so heavy I had zero confidence when I started pushing them. The only reason I kept them was because they look so good.
06-22-2018, 10:58 AM
#123
If you think the F8X is a hammer, the E92 M3 is a.. I don't know.. Brick? It's heavy and underpowered. I had two of them. They need more torque and significantly less weight. They are so heavy I had zero confidence when I started pushing them. The only reason I kept them was because they look so good.
Though my ultimate is the E46 M3. N/A I6, not the best sounding N/A I6, but to this day the most perfect sedan-based coupe of all time, imo.
06-22-2018, 11:08 AM
#124
The last reason I’d want an E92 is due to all out performance. All to due with that spine tingling N/A V8. The F82 can blow it out of the water, while feeling (and sounding) like a toaster in comparison. Performance wise, of course the M4 is faster. I also prefer the M4’s design. The E92 M3 is all about that masterpiece engine. Otherwise I can imagine that chassis being a clunky brick. Especially compared to a 911.
Though my ultimate is the E46 M3. N/A I6, not the best sounding N/A I6, but to this day the most perfect sedan-based coupe of all time, imo.
Though my ultimate is the E46 M3. N/A I6, not the best sounding N/A I6, but to this day the most perfect sedan-based coupe of all time, imo.
Maybe I'm being unfair because I had a 991.1 GT3 at the same time, and THAT is a spine tingling engine with a chassis to match. There's just absolutely no comparison. The E92 wasn't even one tenth as exciting as that car.
In fact I was originally looking for an E46, I just couldn't find a manual at a decent price in good shape. The sellers wanted an arm an a leg for the good ones, but the E92s were selling dirt cheap, comparatively.
06-22-2018, 11:13 AM
#125
Have you actually driven one? Mine didn't feel spine tingling at all. The engine is wasted in that heavy, cushy, isolated luxury car. I agree that the E46 M3 is perfection, but the E92 just isn't exciting. You can rev out the motor as much as you want and it just doesn't feel that special.
In fact I was originally looking for an E46, I just couldn't find a manual at a decent price in good shape. The sellers wanted an arm an a leg for the good ones, but the E92s were selling dirt cheap, comparatively.
In fact I was originally looking for an E46, I just couldn't find a manual at a decent price in good shape. The sellers wanted an arm an a leg for the good ones, but the E92s were selling dirt cheap, comparatively.
E46 is such a legend though. And that’s the one I’d get. I’m still kicking myself for not jumping on some deals I saw years ago, before their legend status solidified and prices moved up accordingly. Same with the E39 M5. The sedan of which all sedans will be judged against. Used to they were cheap. Now? The last N/A V8 in a sea of new 10 second M5’s with the soul of a coffee machine (I understand the new M5 is more emotive than the F10, but I can’t believe it much until I feel it for myself) has catapulted it’s price.
06-22-2018, 11:23 AM
#126
Interesting. I have. I dug the motor and solely the motor. It just felt and sounded unique to me. The M4? Like a 435 with more boost basically (that one just not special feeling to me). But I wouldn’t get an E92. I just appreciate BMW’s approach to the engine.
E46 is such a legend though. And that’s the one I’d get. I’m still kicking myself for not jumping on some deals I saw years ago, before their legend status solidified and prices moved up accordingly. Same with the E39 M5. The sedan of which all sedans will be judged against. Used to they were cheap. Now? The last N/A V8 in a sea of new 10 second M5’s with the soul of a coffee machine (I understand the new M5 is more emotive than the F10, but I can’t believe it much until I feel it for myself) has catapulted it’s price.
E46 is such a legend though. And that’s the one I’d get. I’m still kicking myself for not jumping on some deals I saw years ago, before their legend status solidified and prices moved up accordingly. Same with the E39 M5. The sedan of which all sedans will be judged against. Used to they were cheap. Now? The last N/A V8 in a sea of new 10 second M5’s with the soul of a coffee machine (I understand the new M5 is more emotive than the F10, but I can’t believe it much until I feel it for myself) has catapulted it’s price.
I still really love my X5M. People say it feels more like an M car than the current crop of M cars, and I can believe it. It's actually incredibly fun to drive, and for what it is, it really delivers exactly what it's supposed to. Also, the interior and build quality are superb, they really didn't cut any corners.
06-22-2018, 11:24 AM
#127
06-22-2018, 11:26 AM
#128
Three Wheelin'
^good call.
06-22-2018, 12:56 PM
#129
Originally Posted by K-A
The last reason I’d want an E92 is due to all out performance. All to due with that spine tingling N/A V8. The F82 can blow it out of the water, while feeling like a toaster (and sounding like a broken one) in comparison. Performance wise, of course the M4 is faster (it has to be, as it doesn’t really move you in any other way). I also prefer the M4’s design. The E92 M3 is all about that masterpiece engine. Otherwise I can imagine that chassis being a clunky brick. Especially compared to a 911.
Though my ultimate is the E46 M3. N/A I6, not the best sounding N/A I6, but to this day the most perfect sedan-based coupe of all time, imo.
Though my ultimate is the E46 M3. N/A I6, not the best sounding N/A I6, but to this day the most perfect sedan-based coupe of all time, imo.
06-22-2018, 01:08 PM
#130
Rennlist Member
Interesting. I have. I dug the motor and solely the motor. It just felt and sounded unique to me. The M4? Like a 435 with more boost basically (that one just not special feeling to me). But I wouldn’t get an E92. I just appreciate BMW’s approach to the engine (I still wish it had an I6).
E46 is such a legend though. And that’s the one I’d get. I’m still kicking myself for not jumping on some deals I saw years ago, before their legend status solidified and prices moved up accordingly. Same with the E39 M5. The sedan of which all sedans will be judged against. Used to they were cheap. Now? The last N/A V8 in a sea of new 10 second M5’s with the soul of a coffee machine (I understand the new M5 is more emotive than the F10, but I can’t believe it much until I feel it for myself) has catapulted it’s price.
E46 is such a legend though. And that’s the one I’d get. I’m still kicking myself for not jumping on some deals I saw years ago, before their legend status solidified and prices moved up accordingly. Same with the E39 M5. The sedan of which all sedans will be judged against. Used to they were cheap. Now? The last N/A V8 in a sea of new 10 second M5’s with the soul of a coffee machine (I understand the new M5 is more emotive than the F10, but I can’t believe it much until I feel it for myself) has catapulted it’s price.
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06-22-2018, 01:21 PM
#132
The engine in my '16 GT350 seized at about 3K miles. I'll never know why but the cast gears in the oil pump is an ongoing problem with the 5.2 FPC engine and 8,200 rpm redline. Took some arm twisting on my (and the dealer's) part to get Ford to replace the car with a '17. I had it for about 4K miles but I got tired of the interior rattles, saggy rear bumper and the thin and splotchy paint. I never could trust the engine after what happened with the first one. Great performer though.
Last edited by Randy M; 06-22-2018 at 03:03 PM.
06-22-2018, 03:40 PM
#134
Originally Posted by reacher
If you think the F8X is a hammer, the E92 M3 is a.. I don't know.. Brick? It's heavy and underpowered. I had two of them. They need more torque and significantly less weight. They are so heavy I had zero confidence when I started pushing them. The only reason I kept them was because they look so good.
There goes your argument...
As an owner you're spot on that the car can use ALOT less weight.
It has plenty of torque but not excessive which allows it to put down its power efficiently...unlike the F8X generation.
The combination of intake/exhaust sounds coupled with the lively hydraulic steering makes the car more fun to drive on the street than my GTS, IMHO.
However having just driven the GTS on track, I wouldn't trade it for the world. But having been taken around LRP for hot laps by the chief instructor of the driver's club, one Simon Kirkby, in his E92, I can tell you that the car is VERY capable and I'll never be able to explore all of its potential based on my average driving skills.
Dare I say, the same would apply to you, no offence meant.
Now back to how driving the 991.2 is an awe-inspiring experience...
06-22-2018, 06:11 PM
#135
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And you knew none of this prior to buying the E92 M3? Twice?
There goes your argument...
As an owner you're spot on that the car can use ALOT less weight.
It has plenty of torque but not excessive which allows it to put down its power efficiently...unlike the F8X generation.
The combination of intake/exhaust sounds coupled with the lively hydraulic steering makes the car more fun to drive on the street than my GTS, IMHO.
However having just driven the GTS on track, I wouldn't trade it for the world. But having been taken around LRP for hot laps by the chief instructor of the driver's club, one Simon Kirkby, in his E92, I can tell you that the car is VERY capable and I'll never be able to explore all of its potential based on my average driving skills.
Dare I say, the same would apply to you, no offence meant.
Now back to how driving the 991.2 is an awe-inspiring experience...
There goes your argument...
As an owner you're spot on that the car can use ALOT less weight.
It has plenty of torque but not excessive which allows it to put down its power efficiently...unlike the F8X generation.
The combination of intake/exhaust sounds coupled with the lively hydraulic steering makes the car more fun to drive on the street than my GTS, IMHO.
However having just driven the GTS on track, I wouldn't trade it for the world. But having been taken around LRP for hot laps by the chief instructor of the driver's club, one Simon Kirkby, in his E92, I can tell you that the car is VERY capable and I'll never be able to explore all of its potential based on my average driving skills.
Dare I say, the same would apply to you, no offence meant.
Now back to how driving the 991.2 is an awe-inspiring experience...